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On June 27 2016 15:36 Spaylz wrote:
Pretty good episode. Lots of epic moments. GREAT acting, jeez. Especially for Davos and Jaime. Little moments but so powerful.
They sure are rushing the plot though. I chuckled a bit when I saw Varys literally teleporting from Dorne to Meereen in about 10 minutes time. I am so pissed about Manderly though. In the show, he's just as stupid as the other northen lords. Lady Mormont said the North does remember, but objectively speaking she's wrong.
However, why is everyone saying R+L=J is 100% confirmed? They went 400% cheap on it and muted out the reveal. For all we know she said that it's Aerys' kid. I mean, yes it's 99.9% sure it's R+L=J, but the fact remains that they didn't actually reveal it at all. We don't know what she said before "If Robert finds out, he'll kill him". I don't know. I was just a bit miffed that they actually left the true reveal for later. It seemed like the perfect opportunity. And given their tendencies to spell out schemes and plots, I would expect them to fully do so at a later time.
Anyway...
I think this is the same reason that Stannis died off screen and that Ghost stood up right before Jon resurrected - they're all winks to book theories.
Stannis is still alive in the book and he has some fans that seriously argue that he'll survive the series. Killing him off screen gives them something to hold on to without ruining the book. Personally, I don't see him losing the coming fight against the Frey / Manderly sortie (does anyone?), but I have no clue how long he'll live book wise, so it's like the show isn't 'spoiling' anything about his fate to book readers.
Same way with the ToJ scene. Lyanna's actually just repeating everything that Ned dreamed up in Book 1 (plus a line about Robert). But it's a lot more obvious on TV and they actually revealed the baby. This gives R+L≠J supporters (and some of them are vehemently so) something to cling to. And again, even if R+L=J is spelled out in the books, the show technically didn't ruin it for book readers.
BTW, on the topic of Ghost, he hasn't shown up at all since Jon was brought back right? It's almost like a convenient, Ghost is no more since Jon took over his body and no there's nothing left inside after Jon went back into his own body thing. Not that I buy that theory (and it was the opposite way with Varymr, his being was the one that faded to nothing, not the wolf's).
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Ghost was cut purely for budget reasons, I have no doubt he will be back next season.
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On June 28 2016 03:14 Cricketer12 wrote:
Ghost was cut purely for budget reasons, I have no doubt he will be back next season.
probably only to die a pointless death or something... considering summer's death
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United States43538 Posts
Given how the cast and production costs have ballooned and the fact that most of the cast are British and a lot of the production takes place in the UK the Brexit may have a significant impact on their operating costs. Fixed costs denominated in stirling is pretty awesome for a dollar based production right now.
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The piano felt really out of place...
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On June 28 2016 05:04 OminouS wrote:
The piano felt really out of place...
I agree.
It's like they tried to make the episode "artistic" when the show is about violence, sex and memes.
Don't get me wrong, it was a good episode, but that opening was pretentious as fuck. Especially considering when last episode was basically The Avengers: Ice and Fire.
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I liked the music. From the part where they were done cutting Loras' head it told it's own little story and had its conclusion wrapped up within the framework of the song which was masterfully crafted and set.
+ Show Spoiler +The back of my head gives a more powerful performance than anything Dany has put forward thus far. ![[image loading]](http://puu.sh/pI4d3/4c87d493d8.jpg) About to watch some fireworks ![[image loading]](http://puu.sh/pId0S/e2051184b7.jpg) The show was even better than expected ![[image loading]](http://puu.sh/pIb0t/8601ac297b.jpg)
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On June 28 2016 05:36 Hyperbola wrote:I agree. It's like they tried to make the episode "artistic" when the show is about violence, sex and memes. Don't get me wrong, it was a good episode, but that opening was pretentious as fuck. Especially considering when last episode was basically The Avengers: Ice and Fire.
I actually thought it was fucking brilliant. One of the best sequences in the series. Plus Lena being BAMF and just an amazing actor. All in all it was fantastic.
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On June 28 2016 05:44 SK.Testie wrote:I liked the music. From the part where they were done cutting Loras' head it told it's own little story and had its conclusion wrapped up within the framework of the song which was masterfully crafted and set. + Show Spoiler +The back of my head gives a more powerful performance than anything Dany has put forward thus far. About to watch some fireworks The show was even better than expected
I just have to say, you really really really hate dany lol.
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On June 27 2016 02:11 Cynry wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 15:43 a_flayer wrote:
I couldn't even be bothered to watch the theatre scenes this season, I skipped right through them. If I wanted to see that stuff again, I'd rewatch the first few seasons. I think you missed the point on those scenes. They don't play back what happened, they play what history will remember. And that's the great king geoffrey dying because of the evil imp, the stark traitors depicted as bad guys etc Such a bias compared to what we know happened, but it's still what will go down as history. Found that quite sad from arya's perspective, and most likely what triggered that "fuck that no-face bs, I'm a stark and I go wrongs to right". The scenes were a bit boring indeed, but I really liked that point.
I felt like arya's resolve was already established when she saw her father beheaded in season 1, and the Imp being evil was established by him being sentenced to death by his own father. I think this sort of stuff expansive stuff works better in books rather than on film, because, as you say, it makes for boring scenes. They could have almost re-used Arya's reaction shots from her father being beheaded during those theatre scenes.
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On June 28 2016 06:11 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2016 05:44 SK.Testie wrote:I liked the music. From the part where they were done cutting Loras' head it told it's own little story and had its conclusion wrapped up within the framework of the song which was masterfully crafted and set. + Show Spoiler +The back of my head gives a more powerful performance than anything Dany has put forward thus far. About to watch some fireworks The show was even better than expected I just have to say, you really really really hate dany lol.
Tough to root for a Mary Sue with Dragons. Disliked most of her chapters in the book. The fact that so many of her scenes are bordering on cringe-worthy make it much worse. Whereas every scene with Cersei is usually improved greatly. How can you not root for the evil-murderous-she-bitch?
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On June 28 2016 06:27 SK.Testie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2016 06:11 blade55555 wrote:On June 28 2016 05:44 SK.Testie wrote:I liked the music. From the part where they were done cutting Loras' head it told it's own little story and had its conclusion wrapped up within the framework of the song which was masterfully crafted and set. + Show Spoiler +The back of my head gives a more powerful performance than anything Dany has put forward thus far. About to watch some fireworks The show was even better than expected I just have to say, you really really really hate dany lol. Tough to root for a Mary Sue with Dragons. Disliked most of her chapters in the book. The fact that so many of her scenes are bordering on cringe-worthy make it much worse. Whereas every scene with Cersei is usually improved greatly. How can you not root for the evil-murderous-she-bitch?
Not sure I root for cersei especially in the books, but damn she is so much better on the show than dany. I'm with you there.
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Zurich15361 Posts
Fuck I loved every Cersei scene so much. Fucking perfect. How she has herself a sort of death cult medieval nazi uniform fashioned to go with her military coup. The faces of everyone in the throne room. Wow.
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Emilia Clarke is no good actress. She does her job okish, but a truly great actress would do much, much more with Dany as a character.
Lena Headey though? She is pretty good to say the least and the difference simply shows.
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Ok so season 7 prediction time:
-Cersei killed by Jamie
-Littlefinger plotting against Jon with Manderly
-Manderly fake execute Davos to make the crown happy
-A storm will destroy ships
-Sandsnake will be useless once again
-Seconds son's will save Dany at a critical moment
-Red lady meets Arya once again
-Bran will have a conversation with Ned Stark in his cell.
-The bastard Baratheon will be back, Gentry is his name
-Jorah goes to old town
-J+D=C, Jon + Dany = Cliché
-Varys murders by telefragging Kewan and Qyburn
-Cersei has no real power or resources so it will only be few episode about her descent into madness
-Arya goes next for Cersei but she is interrupted by "A Man"
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On June 28 2016 08:13 0x64 wrote:
Ok so season 7 prediction time:
-Cersei killed by Jamie
-Littlefinger plotting against Jon with Manderly
-Manderly fake execute Davos to make the crown happy
-A storm will destroy ships
-Sandsnake will be useless once again
-Seconds son's will save Dany at a critical moment
-Red lady meets Arya once again
-Bran will have a conversation with Ned Stark in his cell.
-The bastard Baratheon will be back, Gentry is his name
-Jorah goes to old town
-J+D=C, Jon + Dany = Cliché
-Varys murders by telefragging Kewan and Qyburn
-Cersei has no real power or resources so it will only be few episode about her descent into madness
-Arya goes next for Cersei but she is interrupted by "A Man"
Kevan is dead. He was in the Sept where the trial was to be held.
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On June 28 2016 08:13 0x64 wrote:
Ok so season 7 prediction time:
-Cersei killed by Jamie
-Littlefinger plotting against Jon with Manderly
-Manderly fake execute Davos to make the crown happy
-A storm will destroy ships
-Sandsnake will be useless once again
-Seconds son's will save Dany at a critical moment
-Red lady meets Arya once again
-Bran will have a conversation with Ned Stark in his cell.
-The bastard Baratheon will be back, Gentry is his name
-Jorah goes to old town
-J+D=C, Jon + Dany = Cliché
-Varys murders by telefragging Kewan and Qyburn
-Cersei has no real power or resources so it will only be few episode about her descent into madness
-Arya goes next for Cersei but she is interrupted by "A Man"
Kevin is already dead, but yea other than that sounds about right.
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I am not sure. The episode was great on an emotional level, then again, i really really hate the effects they do. Baelor was great. But soo much of the storytelling is just manipulative and so so convenient. Lady Mormont is the best example. Look we need something to kick it up a notch, how about we get a 10 year old girl tell all those guys what pussies they are. Aaaaaawww! There so much constructed to just please the viewers. Like arya teleporting to the freys an killing walder. Having the mask so that it's a shock to the audience! They never see it coming, so cool! And here, have some pie, bookreaders will love that. It makes no fucking sense. It's like i am Cersei and want to feel good but at the same time i hope that some of those plots are not in the books because i would lose my faith in martin. But then egain, well entertained...
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Bran won't be able to truly talk to people either, at best they hear the wind rustling leaves when he tries
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On June 28 2016 08:45 Broetchenholer wrote:
I am not sure. The episode was great on an emotional level, then again, i really really hate the effects they do. Baelor was great. But soo much of the storytelling is just manipulative and so so convenient. Lady Mormont is the best example. Look we need something to kick it up a notch, how about we get a 10 year old girl tell all those guys what pussies they are. Aaaaaawww! There so much constructed to just please the viewers. Like arya teleporting to the freys an killing walder. Having the mask so that it's a shock to the audience! They never see it coming, so cool! And here, have some pie, bookreaders will love that. It makes no fucking sense. It's like i am Cersei and want to feel good but at the same time i hope that some of those plots are not in the books because i would lose my faith in martin. But then egain, well entertained...
What if the Cersei scene is a jab at the viewers
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