EPTOn June 21 2016 06:47 way2mash4u wrote:
Man, that look by Lady Mormont. Priceless.
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What a bad ass.
Man, that look by Lady Mormont. Priceless.
What a bad ass.
i really wanna see more of her, liked her few appearances alot
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Koerage
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i really wanna see more of her, liked her few appearances alot | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 21 2016 07:05 Koerage wrote: i really wanna see more of her, liked her few appearances alot I really wish they had shown some outtakes with the actress. I bet those were really fun days and she does such a great job. | ||
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DickMcFanny
Ireland1076 Posts
I mean, like all of the arrows missing him and whenever he was in danger of getting killed by something he couldn't control, serendipity happened? Anyways, absolutely shameless fan service episode and I loved every second of it. The fight scene was amazing, the fight choreography insane, the shield wall blew me away. I expected a trout and not a bird on the banners that came to save the day, but I knew they were coming. Can't believe we only have one episode left. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9275 Posts
I realized its almost certain that the mystery of the tower of joy won't be revealed in this season. That's annoying  | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
On June 21 2016 07:09 DickMcFanny wrote: Was Melisandre protection Jon somehow? I mean, like all of the arrows missing him and whenever he was in danger of getting killed by something he couldn't control, serendipity happened? Anyways, absolutely shameless fan service episode and I loved every second of it. The fight scene was amazing, the fight choreography insane, the shield wall blew me away. I expected a trout and not a bird on the banners that came to save the day, but I knew they were coming. Can't believe we only have one episode left. Yeah like it's sort of funny seeing it happen. But at the same time in some ways that seems pretty accurate for war? Like once the strategies are set in motion whether you live or die is going to come down a lot to luck. Whether it's you or the dude next to you who gets the arrow through the head is just a roll of the dice. | ||
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DickMcFanny
Ireland1076 Posts
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Plansix
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KwarK
United States43541 Posts
On June 21 2016 07:26 Plansix wrote: The ways arrows were used during that time was like artillery or even machine gun fire, which was also pure luck if you got hit or missed. It just the nature of war, which is pretty random. Except it's been established multiple times that skilled archers are xXxN0Sc0pE420 shots in the Game of Thrones universe. We can only apply assumptions from our own universe when the show doesn't show us something to the contrary. Rickon's death suggests otherwise. | ||
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DickMcFanny
Ireland1076 Posts
On June 21 2016 07:26 Plansix wrote: The ways arrows were used during that time was like artillery or even machine gun fire, which was also pure luck if you got hit or missed. It just the nature of war, which is pretty random. Except they showed Rickon getting shot from a higher distance with one arrow, let alone a couple of hundred. This isn't me being nitpicky, I really, really liked this episode, I'm just trying to figure out if they wanted to hint at Melisandre having a hand in this, especially since she questioned her own powers minutes beforehand. | ||
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KwarK
United States43541 Posts
On June 21 2016 07:36 DickMcFanny wrote: Except they showed Rickon getting shot from a higher distance with one arrow, let alone a couple of hundred. This isn't me being nitpicky, I really, really liked this episode, I'm just trying to figure out if they wanted to hint at Melisandre having a hand in this, especially since she questioned her own powers minutes beforehand. I think the assumption we have to make is that Mel has no powers and everyone forgets that Mel has powers until such a time that the plot hinges entirely on those powers (Renly's death, Jon's undeath) at which point the powers are insanely OP and change everything only to disappear and be forgotten about immediately afterwards (no resurrection for Rickon for example). | ||
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Wuster
1974 Posts
On June 21 2016 07:17 DickMcFanny wrote: It's just that they were rolling the dice a hundred times in a row, it felt like they deliberately wanted to show that he is REALLY lucky. But maybe that's just because I was holding my breath rooting for him the entire time. It's kind of Hollywood though. They really played up the lethality of medieval combat. Especially the storm of arrows. I know most people who know anything about military history point to Agincourt and Crecy as proving longbow > mounted knights. But clearly not since cavalry charges happened well past the Napoleonic era (albeit with modified tactics, but you would assume the same evolution would happen in Westeros). In fact I just looked up the Charge of the Light Brigade, during the Crimean War ~700 soldiers mistakenly(?) tore down a valley into a fortified *artillery* position 1 mile away. 120 died, 160 wounded and that was considered extremely heavy casualties. | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
But yeah even accounting for that you have the arrow storm and stuff like that that was played up. Related: http://asoiafuniversity.tumblr.com/post/146193392000/in-the-latest-episode-ramsay-looses-volley-upon | ||
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Wuster
1974 Posts
On June 21 2016 07:44 Logo wrote: It seems reasonable for this battle to have a higher lethality rate than other battles though. How many battles had one side using arrows on their own troops? In the past GoT has shown a large # of injuries over fatalities during battles. That's true, but looking at Agincourt, it took the French forever to engage the English (lesson here, don't try to charge across a muddy field) and estimates had the English firing something like 1000 arrows per second while the French crossed 300 yards. Spoiler: that didn't actually stop the French* and the English had to fight them off in hand to hand combat. Like most battles the majority of casualties happened when the French tried to run (against across a muddy field and this time mostly on foot). Granted the Wildling look really poorly armored and outside the Kingsguard and Lannister the show doesn't actually have anyone in plate armor. Also, D&D mentioned the wall of bodies was something inspired by the American Civil War, when they did things like frontal infantry assaults against trenchlines of cannons and gatling guns. So I still think the massive body count was Hollywood, but I didn't mind it for the most part. * Here's a video simulating a longbow shooting at plate armor at a distance of 20 meters (and yes I know, horses and not the breastplate are less protected): + Show Spoiler + | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On June 21 2016 07:39 KwarK wrote: I think the assumption we have to make is that Mel has no powers and everyone forgets that Mel has powers until such a time that the plot hinges entirely on those powers (Renly's death, Jon's undeath) at which point the powers are insanely OP and change everything only to disappear and be forgotten about immediately afterwards (no resurrection for Rickon for example). Ofc Mel has powers, but no her powers are not "op". For the most part she makes herself look stronger than she really is (her whole appearance is based on that, she "plays" the sexy fire priestess when in reality she is already a very old woman) She simply cannot bring everyone back to life, just like she cannot create one shadow baby after the other (these things aren't really long range weapons either if you remember the circumstances of the last one) You probably would like a more rule based "magic system", but that's simply not gonna happen. There are some hints here and there (at least in the books) how magic works, but we will never get 'how much mana a shadow baby costs'  | ||
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
On June 21 2016 07:14 Sent. wrote: No thats just plot armor/bad writing/other buzzword I realized its almost certain that the mystery of the tower of joy won't be revealed in this season. That's annoying No way. It would be terrible pacing to show the first half of the scene mid-season, and not have it in the same season later on. If we have to wait an entire year to find out the rest of the vision, people will have forgotten and the impact will be drastically reduced. It has to happen this season. | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
On June 21 2016 07:59 Wuster wrote: That's true, but looking at Agincourt, it took the French forever to engage the English (lesson here, don't try to charge across a muddy field) and estimates had the English firing something like 1000 arrows per second while the French crossed 300 yards. Spoiler: that didn't actually stop the French* and the English had to fight them off in hand to hand combat. Like most battles the majority of casualties happened when the French tried to run (against across a muddy field and this time mostly on foot). Granted the wildling looks really poorly armored and outside the Kingsguard and Lannister the show doesn't actually have anyone in plate armor. Also, D&D mentioned the wall of bodies was something inspired by the American Civil War, when they did things like frontal infantry assaults against trenchlines of cannons and gatling guns. So I still think the massive body count was Hollywood, but I didn't mind it for the most part. Yeah the forces in general seemed poorly armored. Wouldn't there also be a difference when firing at stationary troops vs charging ones. I'd imagine a lot less hits per arrow at charging troops due to decreased density and the movement. I think this is a case where there's enough plausibility to suspend disbelief even if it's not realistic/accurate. Like the show at least has quite a few things that make its case (poor armor, friendly fire, etc.) | ||
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Wuster
1974 Posts
On June 21 2016 08:03 Logo wrote: Yeah the forces in general seemed poorly armored. Wouldn't there also be a difference when firing at stationary troops vs charging ones. I'd imagine a lot less hits per arrow at charging troops due to decreased density and the movement. I think this is a case where there's enough plausibility to suspend disbelief even if it's not realistic/accurate. Like the show at least has quite a few things that make its case (poor armor, friendly fire, etc.) Right, I'm not trying to nitpick per se. More I'm just saying there's no reason that Jon needed magic/higher powers to get out of that battle alive. Even at the middle you still see plenty of forces trapped inside the shield wall. So it's more like the micro view has an arrow doing more damage than you'd expect, but the macro level still shows that not everyone was mowed down. Hopefully that makes more sense than some of my other posts today. | ||
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FFGenerations
7088 Posts
and for the next volleys, well do you aim at jon or do you aim behind at the new forces coming? can you imagine 50 guys shooting their arrow volley over jons head to hit the charging forces, and like 1 guy is aiming at jon in the meantime lul | ||
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