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WOW. As in, seriously, WOW.
This episode was down right horrible. Fucking terrible. Awful, nonsensical writing from beginning to end. I am so annoyed.
So the moral here is... the entire FM storyline served no purpose? No point whatsoever to it? "A girl is finally no one" (???) > "No, a girl is Arya Stark and a girl is going home" > agreeing nod from Jaqen. What the actual fuck? What is this? Is this even GoT?
I am completely floored. This is comically bad. Oh, and let's not forget the utter trashing of Jaime's character, essentially making him go in the opposite direction of his book counterpart. And what about Edmure willingly handing over the Blackfish to the Freys? And him dying off screen?
And let's not forget the incredibly cringy Tyrion scenes. I am just so fucking annoyed. This is a whole other level of bad. I'm calling it right now: at the end of the show, after Dany and Jon kill the Others with their love, they'll fake their death and become lumberjacks. You saw it here first.
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The writing and pacing reared its ugly head the most this episode. Everything seems to play through incredibly dumb people (i.e. Edmure and Blackfish), implausible situations (Arya somehow healing already), or repetitive filler (EVERY TYRION DRINKING SCENE STOP THEM). What's with all the offscreen deaths here, they really couldn't bother to show 10 seconds of fighting at least? I really do hope Battle of the Bastards and episode 10 where Dany hopefully burns the Masters' fleet down and maybe some progress finally happens in Mereen compensates for this bitter taste left in my mouth.
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On June 13 2016 21:28 Spaylz wrote:
WOW. As in, seriously, WOW.
This episode was down right horrible. Fucking terrible. Awful, nonsensical writing from beginning to end. I am so annoyed.
So the moral here is... the entire FM storyline served no purpose? No point whatsoever to it? "A girl is finally no one" (???) > "No, a girl is Arya Stark and a girl is going home" > agreeing nod from Jaqen. What the actual fuck? What is this? Is this even GoT?
I am completely floored. This is comically bad. Oh, and let's not forget the utter trashing of Jaime's character, essentially making him go in the opposite direction of his book counterpart. And what about Edmure willingly handing over the Blackfish to the Freys? And him dying off screen?
And let's not forget the incredibly cringy Tyrion scenes. I am just so fucking annoyed. This is a whole other level of bad. I'm calling it right now: at the end of the show, after Dany and Jon kill the Others with their love, they'll fake their death and become lumberjacks. You saw it here first.
No Damnit NO! I can't deal with another Dexter! This will not and cannot happen!
But sadly I can see all of this.
D&D clearly have 0 fucking clue how to finish any story line on its own. Maybe after watching this episode GRRM will come back on to bitch slap them into shape or get his ass in gear to get his books out before they completely ruin his story.
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I don't think Dany is about to burn the fleet down. She needs the ships, now there are ships right in front of the city. I'm expecting Asha and Theon to show up soon to capture the ships for her.
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On June 13 2016 23:02 Talin wrote:
I don't think Dany is about to burn the fleet down. She needs the ships, now there are ships right in front of the city. I'm expecting Asha and Theon to show up soon to capture the ships for her.
Capture the ships with what? The handful of men they have against that huge fleet? That doesn't sound very realistic to me, but it's GoT so everything can happen... Isn't Victarion (or in the show's case, Euron) supposed to come fight the attacking masters? And at the same time conviniently have 1000 ships to take Dany west?
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On June 13 2016 23:10 Sholip wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2016 23:02 Talin wrote:
I don't think Dany is about to burn the fleet down. She needs the ships, now there are ships right in front of the city. I'm expecting Asha and Theon to show up soon to capture the ships for her. Capture the ships with what? The handful of men they have against that huge fleet? That doesn't sound very realistic to me, but it's GoT so everything can happen... Isn't Victarion (or in the show's case, Euron) supposed to come fight the attacking masters? And at the same time conviniently have 1000 ships to take Dany west?
Asha(Yara)/Theon are taking Victarion's place
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On June 13 2016 22:58 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
D&D clearly have 0 fucking clue how to finish any story line on its own. Maybe after watching this episode GRRM will come back on to bitch slap them into shape or get his ass in gear to get his books out before they completely ruin his story.
GRRM has no say in what they do on the show. He advises them on where the story is headed, but he has said in interviews back in season 1, if the writers want to have characters abducted by aliens he has no say on it. Beyond that GRRM has plans to work with HBO on other non-GoT series in the future so he can't publicly criticize anything they do. And of course this season is already completely filmed so there isn't any changing anything until next season at best and they plan on wrapping up the entire rest of the series after this season in 13 episodes, and maybe Winds of Winter will be out by then. He likely will not even have thought about starting A Dream of Spring by the time the series is over.
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The timeline is pretty messed up. Why did they push book 5 stuff into this season where it doesn't make sense? Ironborn, Riverrun, maybe even Varys killing Kevan
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I don't really understand all of the GRRM exoneration going on around here. Aside from the TV show's obviously lazy/bad writing concerning character development (Jaime Lannister being the worst example), the major plot points in the TV show seem to be entirely consistent with where GRRM was headed -- or to put it another way, not headed -- in the last two books. It was very obvious to me by the time that I had finished Book 4 that GRRM was lost in the clusterfuck of a story that he had created. Book 5 wasn't any better. All of the pointless meandering in the story (particularly Mereen and Arya) is clearly GRRM's doing.
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GRRM had the luxury of 1700 pages of books 4 and 5 to meander around and maybe around 2000 pages of books 6 and 7 to finish the story. The show has 13 episodes after this season to finish the story. They are showing us stuff from book 5 that many people thought they skipped to save time (since books 4 and 5 had the slow pacing). They wasted a lot of time this season with the extended Arya theater scenes and the Tyrion/Grey Worm/Missandei conversation scenes.
The show has barely moved this season. This is the season the show is supposed to get ahead of the books and start maybe spoiling stuff for book readers. But how much new stuff have we actually seen?
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On June 13 2016 23:02 Talin wrote:
I don't think Dany is about to burn the fleet down. She needs the ships, now there are ships right in front of the city. I'm expecting Asha and Theon to show up soon to capture the ships for her.
Drogon will probably wipe the whole fleet off screen.
Other than the injured, non injured beyond retarded chase I liked the episode. The big and mean brothers doing cruel stuff excites me. Wish we would see more of Cersei's guard in action just mauling people. When Cersei first got introduced to him is one of my favourite scenes of the whole series.
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On June 14 2016 01:54 andrewlt wrote:
GRRM had the luxury of 1700 pages of books 4 and 5 to meander around and maybe around 2000 pages of books 6 and 7 to finish the story. The show has 13 episodes after this season to finish the story. They are showing us stuff from book 5 that many people thought they skipped to save time (since books 4 and 5 had the slow pacing). They wasted a lot of time this season with the extended Arya theater scenes and the Tyrion/Grey Worm/Missandei conversation scenes.
The show has barely moved this season. This is the season the show is supposed to get ahead of the books and start maybe spoiling stuff for book readers. But how much new stuff have we actually seen?
There's been quite a bit of new stuff -- probably at least a book's worth by the time that we're done with this season. Keep in mind how slowly that the books have been moving.
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Haha I'm glad I'm not the only one who was thinking Waif looks like T-1000, especially with that running on the wall and jumping down.
The writting is attrocious, I fee really bad about Peter Dinklage, the script he is given is such a shit. This is probably the 3rd time he is shown drinking wine and trying to strike a converstation with those two mutes.
The story is going into GRRM direction, but the writing is really, really bad.
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Phew got to agree - that was a bad episode 
The only theory I read so far that SOMEHOW explains Braavos was that the Waif was really just in Aryas imagination, sort of Fight Club style. That she, Arya, had to fight off her Noone self to be able to return back to Westeros as Arya Stark. It would sort of explain all the nonsense of the past 2 episodes, but then again there is nothing in the show that really supports that. But if Arya truly now just sails back that's what I'll take as an explanation.
And maaaaaan do they really have to tease Zombiecat so hard only to NOT have her in the show. When they all talk about higher purpose and resurrection and the Red God while the Hound walk to take a piss and the camera switches to a shot of the water ... and nothing.
Cleganebowl canceled? WTF. And what is Varys up to now, he said something about ships? Don't you dare send him to Dorne ...
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Yeah my guess was also Dorne.
Though he was looking for ships I think he said, so maybe the Iron Islands.. doubtful imo.
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Dorne has no ships. They're famous for it.
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Wait where the fuck has Dorne been the last 8 episodes? The Sand Snakes are so repressed it took me this long to realize Dorne hasn't been mentioned once every since Doran was murdered.
...and the entire Martell household was killed. Leaving a huge chunk of land likely ripe with conflict and power struggles. But I guess that's not relevant to a Game of Thrones.
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did somebody say bad pussy
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I enjoyed it more than EP01 and Ep02 of S6, overall.
There was some useful stuff, like for example we now know that Cersei will at least try to burn down king's landing, and probably succeed.
Watching the Hound kill people was fun at least.
I guess they're just gonna wait a looong time to actually have Jaime's character progress again. It seems he went through a lot of his post-losing hand character development in S3/s5 and then backtracked it, as if the showrunners felt they'd made him develop too quickly. If they want the show to make any sense they should start making him hate Cersei soon + Show Spoiler +just in time for him to return to King's landing and choke the life from her before she burns the city to the ground
Arya's story, and lots of other stories this season, are basically what happens after a while when adapting something for TV. There's time and budget constraints which prevent them from doing stuff that doesn't look completely dumb. You see this in every other TV show as well, but Game of Thrones didn't have as much of it in the first few seasons.
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On June 13 2016 21:14 karazax wrote:
It makes little sense on the show that trial by combat would be abolished by Tommen when on the show Cersei is on trial for incest, which if proven guilty will mean Tommen is no longer king and will likely be killed as well...
this reminds me, i wanted to ask every time. why is cersei "still on trial"? she spent 100 yrs in prison, done a walk of shame, then the next thing is she still has to "go on trial"? i dont understand why she still needs to "go on trial" . and after the walk of the shame, if i "still" had to go on trial well i would have wrecked the place by now instead of hanging around. someone explain the trial thing i dont remember it being explained or justified since she had a walk of shame
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