EPT[TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion - Page 697
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way2mash4u
Germany183 Posts
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palexhur
Colombia730 Posts
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
On June 07 2016 08:44 palexhur wrote: I dont know why people dont believe that Arya can survive a couple of stabs,in the present you can read some news with people make it through with multiples (10 , 20 or more stabs), and surviving, of course they got actual medical technology, but to be treated first you have to survive several minutes. GoT does not take place in the present. She got stabbed in the belly, and the Waif twisted the knife. Before antibiotics, if you got stabbed in the gut and your intestine was pierced, you were done. You wouldn't die right away, but slowly and painfully as sepsis set in. Not to mention she jumped into dirty water right afterwards. That can't be good. But people are right though. She's not going to die, it'd be incredibly weak story telling. I just personally feel like the whole stabbing bit was unnecessary and played out really oddly. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9275 Posts
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palexhur
Colombia730 Posts
On June 07 2016 09:00 Spaylz wrote: GoT does not take place in the present. She got stabbed in the belly, and the Waif twisted the knife. Before antibiotics, if you got stabbed in the gut and your intestine was pierced, you were done. You wouldn't die right away, but slowly and painfully as sepsis set in. Not to mention she jumped into dirty water right afterwards. That can't be good. But people are right though. She's not going to die, it'd be incredibly weak story telling. I just personally feel like the whole stabbing bit was unnecessary and played out really oddly. Yeah, but it is ok to revive dead people, that is by far more powerful than antibiotics, sometimes people are just annoying trying to put logic of a real world into a fictional story. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
Your comment to me implies that you would rather have no conversation to begin with, both the comment here and in the tv thread are kinda destructive. Not sure why you choose to do this. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
But once again, no one has a problem with dragons can shouldn't be able to fly. Because at the end of the day, the posters complaining about plot armor decided when they were no longer going to suspend their disbelief. Lets not get into the fact that the plot played up the waif as an arrogant bully who likes tormenting Arya, so of course she would fuck up the assassination and try to make Arya suffer. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
The important part here is the execution though. If you know you need character x later on, why would you hurt him so badly it seems obvious that in most cases the character should be dead? It's "dramatic", but at the same time also makes it very hard to suspend your disbelief here because it's a quite obvious situation. Dragons being able to fly isn't as clear cut for most people. the posters complaining about plot armor decided when they were no longer going to suspend their disbelief Yes obviously, not everything is the same. Some things are easier to swallow for various reasons. You telling someone that at the end of the day the script decides the story is rather irrelevant, nobody is saying otherwise. | ||
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
My point is: GoT, compared to most fantasy stories, has some degree of realism. This is demonstrated time and time again by the fact that characters' actions have consequences, no matter how they align on the morality scale. That is one of the strong points of GoT. I don't have a problem with her surviving the stabs per se; for all we know the blade didn't cut her intestines and she'd be just as fine in real life. There are reports of people surviving 20+ stab wounds. What I have a real problem with is just how it went down. It felt very odd; very strangely paced. I'm curious to see how it works out, and for now, I'm rather puzzled. Without magic, there's no way she'd actually recover fast and well enough to be jumping from roofs in the next episode. So yes, magic could fix it. But I wouldn't quite understand what that would achieve? I feel like it could have been better. Arya is also a character who has proved many times over that she is a survivor. She is careful, she pays attention to her surroundings and she is dead set on surviving. Her overall carelessness in that particular segment was very, very out of character. | ||
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RouaF
France4120 Posts
On June 07 2016 08:31 way2mash4u wrote: But ... what does this tell us? Maybe Arya was not the one who was stabbed, faceswap yada yada. It's a bit far fetched but there are clues here and there. Why the hell is she roaming carelessly in the city when last episode she seemed to be waiting for an attack ? Why did Jaqen say that a new face will be added anyway ? The waifs face if she disobeys ? Jaqen told her not to make arya suffer and she twists her knife into her gut ... instead of going for the throat for example. Where is needle ? Last episode we saw her taking it. Why and how does she have so much money on her ? I mean it could just be sloppy writing but this time I'm willing to hope there is an other explanation. | ||
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Zinnwaldite
Norway1567 Posts
On June 07 2016 19:28 RouaF wrote: Maybe Arya was not the one who was stabbed, faceswap yada yada. It's a bit far fetched but there are clues here and there. Why the hell is she roaming carelessly in the city when last episode she seemed to be waiting for an attack ? Why did Jaqen say that a new face will be added anyway ? The waifs face if she disobeys ? Jaqen told her not to make arya suffer and she twists her knife into her gut ... instead of going for the throat for example. Where is needle ? Last episode we saw her taking it. Why and how does she have so much money on her ? I mean it could just be sloppy writing but this time I'm willing to hope there is an other explanation. The fact that Jaqen said to not let Arya suffer, yet the waif clearly wanted Arya to suffer and made sure she does indicates that the waif is not no one and Jaqen most likely knows this. Or this is simply how the waif is and the no one playing her is simply acting things out as faithfully as it can. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7053 Posts
Does that look like an old version of Arya to anyone? Like a 60yr old Arya? I could swear I see some resemblance... On June 07 2016 19:28 RouaF wrote: Maybe Arya was not the one who was stabbed, faceswap yada yada. It's a bit far fetched but there are clues here and there. Why the hell is she roaming carelessly in the city when last episode she seemed to be waiting for an attack ? Why did Jaqen say that a new face will be added anyway ? The waifs face if she disobeys ? Jaqen told her not to make arya suffer and she twists her knife into her gut ... instead of going for the throat for example. Where is needle ? Last episode we saw her taking it. Why and how does she have so much money on her ? I mean it could just be sloppy writing but this time I'm willing to hope there is an other explanation. Something is obviously going on here beside what we've seen. Jaquen will prolly kill the waif for this (not following orders: didn't kill and didn't do it fast) Money could be from selling shellfish and stuff for ages? EDIT: New guess is it was Jaquen with Arya face | ||
zatic
Zurich15361 Posts
On June 07 2016 21:11 Harris1st wrote: Does that look like an old version of Arya to anyone? Like a 60yr old Arya? I could swear I see some resemblance... EDIT: New guess is it was Jaquen with Arya face This is how I understood it. No one put on Aryas face to test if the Waif would follow orders or if she would let her jealousy guide her. Of course, this raises a bunch of new questions: Why even show that to the viewers, unless Arya goes back to the faceless men? Can the faceless put on faces of the living? Where is Arya? I think the simpler explanation is Arya got stabbed, will get healed (maybe by the theatre folk or maybe a red priest), and then escape back to Westeros. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7053 Posts
On June 07 2016 22:05 zatic wrote: This is how I understood it. No one put on Aryas face to test if the Waif would follow orders or if she would let her jealousy guide her. Of course, this raises a bunch of new questions: Why even show that to the viewers, unless Arya goes back to the faceless men? Can the faceless put on faces of the living? Where is Arya? I think the simpler explanation is Arya got stabbed, will get healed (maybe by the theatre folk or maybe a red priest), and then escape back to Westeros. Arya is still hiding i guess. Jaqen wanted to test the waif. In season 5 it's shown that you can wear faces of the living. I Arya's plotline with Jaqen still ends for now, thats why he booked her the passage | ||
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B-royal
Belgium1330 Posts
I'm actually going to go with it being D&D's sloppy writing again since they have a track record for writing in dumb shit (aka the entire bad pussy region also known as Dorne). | ||
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kidleaderr
365 Posts
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RouaF
France4120 Posts
On June 08 2016 01:18 kidleaderr wrote: Arya goes back to the House of Black & White where Jaqen reveals himself to be Syrio who then reveals himself to be Daario all along. She then joins Dany by season's end to replace Jorah. You've read too much internets for today ;-) | ||
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snailz
Croatia900 Posts
On June 07 2016 23:39 Harris1st wrote: Arya is still hiding i guess. Jaqen wanted to test the waif. In season 5 it's shown that you can wear faces of the living. I Arya's plotline with Jaqen still ends for now, thats why he booked her the passage you mean the scene where jaquen kills himself and then he's standing right there, alive? that's more likely due to bad writing / plothole / arya hallucinating, than it being true. otherwise what's the point of removing faces from the dead people shown in this season... | ||
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RouaF
France4120 Posts
On June 08 2016 02:22 snailz wrote: you mean the scene where jaquen kills himself and then he's standing right there, alive? that's more likely due to bad writing / plothole / arya hallucinating, than it being true. otherwise what's the point of removing faces from the dead people shown in this season... And what's the point of showing arya sleeping with needle waiting for the waif to come if she then goes around the city without even being wary of unknown people ?? So many questions :-) | ||
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