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SPOILER WARNING If you only watch the show, this thread will spoil you of future events in HBO's Game of Thrones. Thread contains discussion of all books of the series A Song of Ice and Fire
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Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9275 Posts
June 14 2016 12:48 GMT
#13981
How do you know Cersei is going to try to burn down KL?
You're now breathing manually
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9636 Posts
June 14 2016 12:54 GMT
#13982
I'm intrigued about the trial by combat thing. it seems to
me the only cersei-esque option is to just walk the fuck off with her son being dragged behind her by the mountain dating anyone to fuck with her.
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9636 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-14 12:55:42
June 14 2016 12:55 GMT
#13983
On June 14 2016 21:54 brian wrote:
I'm intrigued about the trial by combat thing. it seems to
me the only cersei-esque option is to just walk the fuck off with her son being dragged behind her by the mountain daring anyone to fuck with her.




edit.. God damnit...
Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4553 Posts
June 14 2016 13:32 GMT
#13984
On June 14 2016 21:48 Sent. wrote:
How do you know Cersei is going to try to burn down KL?


People infer that Qyburn's secret is leftover wildfyre, because Bran saw it in his vision.
RouaF
Profile Joined October 2010
France4120 Posts
June 14 2016 14:40 GMT
#13985
Yeah basically what the mad king wanted to do. Who stopped him ? Jaimie. But who in the 7 kingdoms could stop Cersei and make a dramatic scene at the same time ???
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5752 Posts
June 14 2016 15:32 GMT
#13986
On June 14 2016 23:40 RouaF wrote:
Yeah basically what the mad king wanted to do. Who stopped him ? Jaimie. But who in the 7 kingdoms could stop Cersei and make a dramatic scene at the same time ???


The Hound. Ax to the face.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 14 2016 15:34 GMT
#13987
On June 15 2016 00:32 maybenexttime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2016 23:40 RouaF wrote:
Yeah basically what the mad king wanted to do. Who stopped him ? Jaimie. But who in the 7 kingdoms could stop Cersei and make a dramatic scene at the same time ???


The Hound. Ax to the face.

Arya, with the help of the Hound.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Hier
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
2391 Posts
June 14 2016 15:41 GMT
#13988
On June 15 2016 00:34 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2016 00:32 maybenexttime wrote:
On June 14 2016 23:40 RouaF wrote:
Yeah basically what the mad king wanted to do. Who stopped him ? Jaimie. But who in the 7 kingdoms could stop Cersei and make a dramatic scene at the same time ???


The Hound. Ax to the face.

Arya, with the help of the Hound.

"Sorry for leaving you to suffer an agonizing death. Besties?" Arya will complete some purpose of hers, and will be killed off by the Hound.
"But on a more serious note..." -everyone on this forum at some point.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 14 2016 15:46 GMT
#13989
The Hound likely doesn’t blame her. I bet part of him is happy that Arya didn’t burden herself with killing him.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
June 14 2016 20:05 GMT
#13990
On June 14 2016 06:04 zatic wrote:
Phew got to agree - that was a bad episode

The only theory I read so far that SOMEHOW explains Braavos was that the Waif was really just in Aryas imagination, sort of Fight Club style. That she, Arya, had to fight off her Noone self to be able to return back to Westeros as Arya Stark. It would sort of explain all the nonsense of the past 2 episodes, but then again there is nothing in the show that really supports that. But if Arya truly now just sails back that's what I'll take as an explanation.

And maaaaaan do they really have to tease Zombiecat so hard only to NOT have her in the show. When they all talk about higher purpose and resurrection and the Red God while the Hound walk to take a piss and the camera switches to a shot of the water ... and nothing.

Cleganebowl canceled? WTF. And what is Varys up to now, he said something about ships? Don't you dare send him to Dorne ...


To me Cleganebowl was always a stupid theory. Why have such a hidden teaser that the Hound was still alive if he still had such an important role to play? Why wrap up his arc with him finally finding peace and letting go of all his hate if it's just to go back to war? I mean some people might disagree with that part, but I think it undoes his 'epilogue'.

Besides, he's maimed in the book too, if you guys are upset that Arya could shake off her injuries (we don't know how long she's been with Lady Crane btw) how do you justify the Hound shaking his off to kill zombie-Mountain?
Sholip
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
Hungary422 Posts
June 14 2016 21:12 GMT
#13991
On June 15 2016 05:05 Wuster wrote:
Besides, he's maimed in the book too, if you guys are upset that Arya could shake off her injuries (we don't know how long she's been with Lady Crane btw) how do you justify the Hound shaking his off to kill zombie-Mountain?

Well, of course we don't know exactly how long she is with Lady Crane, but it is very strongly suggested that she is patched up immediately (this only makes sense), and then Crane is killed the next day, as Arya wakes from her milk-of-the-poppy-dream. At least that's how I got it, and I'm sure most other people as well. Which would mean she had about one day to regenerate.
"A hero is no braver than an ordinary man, but he is brave five minutes longer. Also, Zest is best." – Ralph Waldo Emerson
RouaF
Profile Joined October 2010
France4120 Posts
June 15 2016 09:37 GMT
#13992
On June 15 2016 00:34 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2016 00:32 maybenexttime wrote:
On June 14 2016 23:40 RouaF wrote:
Yeah basically what the mad king wanted to do. Who stopped him ? Jaimie. But who in the 7 kingdoms could stop Cersei and make a dramatic scene at the same time ???


The Hound. Ax to the face.

Arya, with the help of the Hound.

I know you're joking but no, history is supposed to repeat itself :p Jaimie will stab Cersei in the back !
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-15 13:56:40
June 15 2016 13:56 GMT
#13993
On June 15 2016 00:46 Plansix wrote:
The Hound likely doesn’t blame her. I bet part of him is happy that Arya didn’t burden herself with killing him.


he is clearly pining over her
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KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14902 Posts
June 15 2016 14:56 GMT
#13994
I don't see why people are saying tyrion failed, the masters from the other cities could have attacked mereen regardless of whether he tried to make peace. At a minimum the civil war within the city was stayed for a few weeks/months. he stepped into a civil war situation and made the best of it that he could, don't see why people are saying he did awfully as the temp leader of mereen considering where he started out
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
June 15 2016 15:28 GMT
#13995
Every time they have one of those scenes where Tyrion is just talking randomly with Missandei/Grey Worm or Varys, it just feels like "welp everyone loves Peter Dinklage, let's stretch his story so we can get him in every episode!". They don't blink twice about leaving any other character off screen for an episode or two, but heaven forbid they don't put a pointless Tyrion scene in. It's enough to make me bored with the character, doubly so if it turns out his actions this season backfired or didn't even do anything.

Also, I'm way more interested in Davos than anything else this upcoming episode. He's got to confront Melisandre, right?
It's your boy Guzma!
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17646 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-16 20:53:42
June 15 2016 17:53 GMT
#13996
I really don't like how they handled Arya's stuff. It pretty much renders the entire FM plotline pointless.

I was really hoping that when Jaquen saw Waifs face on the wall there'll be a conversation between him and Arya in the lines of:
Jaquen: The girl has done as instructed. The girl really is no one now.
Arya: The girl is no one *breaks the needle*

And after that, she gets a contract on Dany posted by the masters. The plot thickens...
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-16 20:54:26
June 16 2016 20:54 GMT
#13997
Arya beating the Waif in the darkness seems fine even if the Waif was trained while blind. Ayra at this point is supposed to have 2 rounds of training while blind/blindfolded and has trained specifically with needle and that weapon is far superior to the dagger the Waif had. Though the show didn't have Syrio teach her while blindfolded. I thought the general idea of that fight was reasonable; the Waif underestimated Arya because they didn't know she had formal sword training or had a sword at all.

The extent of Arya's injuries and all the other stuff around it was pretty terrible though. Plus making the whole Braavos arc somewhat pointless beyond an extended training sequence.

It seems like the show writers are as quickly as possible moving things to the safe & well trodden area and this entire season has been about reverting the character development of the previous seasons because they aren't able to figure out GRRM's intended story arc and more importantly how to fit that in with the short cuts they've taken along the way. Instead we're just taking where the books ended and taking the straightest and more direct route to the obvious conclusions and skipping all of the nuance and stuff that makes the books enjoyable.
Logo
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
June 16 2016 21:16 GMT
#13998
I wonder if we'll see Arya using hijacked versions of the Faceless Men's abilities. Do you think she's able to take/use a face even though she's not part of the organization now?
It's your boy Guzma!
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-16 21:38:51
June 16 2016 21:35 GMT
#13999
On June 17 2016 06:16 Requizen wrote:
I wonder if we'll see Arya using hijacked versions of the Faceless Men's abilities. Do you think she's able to take/use a face even though she's not part of the organization now?


She did take the Waif's face in the style of the Faceless Men, but that's still a big step from applying a face herself.

I'm guessing no or at least mostly no, because they want Maise Williams to be uh the face of Arya. Both probably because they don't want to have to hire another actress/actor capable of a leading role and because they don't want to confuse viewers. We may see a small bit with her using someone else's face, but it won't be anything like Jaqen where she stays undetected for any length of time.

She's already in a position where most people wouldn't recognize her since it's been years & years since anyone has seen her minus a few characters.
Logo
Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-16 22:17:59
June 16 2016 22:15 GMT
#14000
On June 17 2016 05:54 Logo wrote:
Arya beating the Waif in the darkness seems fine even if the Waif was trained while blind. Ayra at this point is supposed to have 2 rounds of training while blind/blindfolded and has trained specifically with needle and that weapon is far superior to the dagger the Waif had. Though the show didn't have Syrio teach her while blindfolded. I thought the general idea of that fight was reasonable; the Waif underestimated Arya because they didn't know she had formal sword training or had a sword at all.

The extent of Arya's injuries and all the other stuff around it was pretty terrible though. Plus making the whole Braavos arc somewhat pointless beyond an extended training sequence.

It seems like the show writers are as quickly as possible moving things to the safe & well trodden area and this entire season has been about reverting the character development of the previous seasons because they aren't able to figure out GRRM's intended story arc and more importantly how to fit that in with the short cuts they've taken along the way. Instead we're just taking where the books ended and taking the straightest and more direct route to the obvious conclusions and skipping all of the nuance and stuff that makes the books enjoyable.


My suspicion is the show started on this path because that's what you do in an adaptation: follow the book arcs. Then they realized that a) they'd have to write their own resolution since GRRM wasn't releasing new books and b) they were running out of episodes the tie the entire series up. So they just decided to say F-it to Dorne, Braavos, Aegon, ect.

At this point, I don't know what if anything their cutting decisions mean for what's still relevant or not in the book. I don't know that I agree with everything is being stripped of nuance. They do have a limited amount of time to tell the story after all and I don't really see what Arya's gained at all during her Braavos arc, it was just meandering.
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