EPT[TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion - Page 691
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SPOILER WARNING If you only watch the show, this thread will spoil you of future events in HBO's Game of Thrones. Thread contains discussion of all books of the series A Song of Ice and Fire Click Here for the spoiler-free thread. | ||
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l3loodraven
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Spiller
United States106 Posts
People need to look at them as seperate stories at this point and stop complaining when they dont match up 100%. | ||
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blkcoffee
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On May 28 2016 02:52 Spiller wrote: If you feel the need to describe yourself as a "book purist" then yeah, it's no surprise you didn't/won't like the show. People need to look at them as seperate stories at this point and stop complaining when they dont match up 100%. calm down mate I just said I stopped watching it. I actually liked what I watched but I haven't caught up with the show because I've been busy with work. I was wondering if it was worth getting back into because i'm about 2 series behind now. | ||
zatic
Zurich15345 Posts
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InstantClubHit
United States4 Posts
On May 23 2016 12:42 Hexe wrote: Here is the opening of aGoT + Show Spoiler + The morning had dawned clear and cold, with a crispness that hinted at the end of summer. They set forth at daybreak to see a man beheaded, twenty in all, and Bran rode among them, nervous with excitement. This was the first time he had been deemed old enough to go with his lord father and his brothers to see the king's justice done. It was the ninth year of summer, and the seventh of Bran's life. Textbook romance quality writing. Always overddescribing the weather/atmosphere and failing to leave any important description detail for the main character. I think you might be missing just how much information is packed into that GoT quote you've got there. + Show Spoiler + The weather is crucial to the story, and develops just like a character would: It's clear and cold, hinting at winter, but it's been summer for 9 years? We're essentially being told that the world is at a turning point. The man being beheaded already has a story (the prologue) that sets up the main antagonist(s) of the series who are very much connected to winter. I think it is unwise to pronounce judgment on this paragraph by itself, since the entire story gives it contextual meaning, though I do see the point that someone reading for the first time won't necessarily see that. As for fleshing out Bran's character: he's a seven-year-old... dare I say describing the character of a seven-year-old is not interesting and, at this very early juncture, is entirely unnecessary since we're going to watch him grow. It's important to remember that what you're reading is the perspective of a child, not a narrator's description of events. Bran only has so many things he can contemplate at such an age, and none of them are likely to be meaningful meditations on himself. Like any child, his focus is going to be on exterior things and his observations are going to be simple. But wait, this paragraph delivers great information about Bran: His father is a lord; he is one of at least three brothers; he has lived his entire seven years in summer and recognizes that this will not always be the case; he is excited to join his father and brothers in their duties and is being initiated by them. Note that this turning point in Bran's life mirrors the turning point in the world's weather! That's some serious stuff! Can anybody think of any other, seemingly benign, excerpts that turn out to be loaded with info? | ||
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Poland9204 Posts
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On May 28 2016 03:36 blkcoffee wrote: calm down mate I just said I stopped watching it. I actually liked what I watched but I haven't caught up with the show because I've been busy with work. I was wondering if it was worth getting back into because i'm about 2 series behind now. imo yes it's worth it. However, if you really are one of those people who 100% book and not been a fan of the show, then wait. A lot of people in this thread tend to hate on it a lot, so it may be better for you to wait if that's what you prefer, there will be spoilers for the next book (may not happen exactly like the book, but will happen). | ||
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Hexe
United States332 Posts
On May 28 2016 06:59 InstantClubHit wrote: I originally wrote this as a reply in another thread, then realized that it was pretty far off-topic in a thread that didn't belong in the general forum in the first place. I had fun trying to dissect this information and I'd hate to throw it all out, so I figured I'd throw it here for other people to perhaps enjoy. I think you might be missing just how much information is packed into that GoT quote you've got there. + Show Spoiler + The weather is crucial to the story, and develops just like a character would: It's clear and cold, hinting at winter, but it's been summer for 9 years? We're essentially being told that the world is at a turning point. The man being beheaded already has a story (the prologue) that sets up the main antagonist(s) of the series who are very much connected to winter. I think it is unwise to pronounce judgment on this paragraph by itself, since the entire story gives it contextual meaning, though I do see the point that someone reading for the first time won't necessarily see that. As for fleshing out Bran's character: he's a seven-year-old... dare I say describing the character of a seven-year-old is not interesting and, at this very early juncture, is entirely unnecessary since we're going to watch him grow. It's important to remember that what you're reading is the perspective of a child, not a narrator's description of events. Bran only has so many things he can contemplate at such an age, and none of them are likely to be meaningful meditations on himself. Like any child, his focus is going to be on exterior things and his observations are going to be simple. But wait, this paragraph delivers great information about Bran: His father is a lord; he is one of at least three brothers; he has lived his entire seven years in summer and recognizes that this will not always be the case; he is excited to join his father and brothers in their duties and is being initiated by them. Note that this turning point in Bran's life mirrors the turning point in the world's weather! That's some serious stuff! Can anybody think of any other, seemingly benign, excerpts that turn out to be loaded with info? EDIT It's repetitive. "They set forth at daybreak" After he already writes, "The morning had dawned clear and cold" We really only need the latter. And also, "nervous with excitement." Is more repetition. Even if the sentence was "Bran was nervous as this was the first time..." we could piece together that he would be excited. Seeing the kings justice done for the first time! His father is lord! That is awesome. "Hinted at the end of summer." That's some Xena foreshadowing there. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On May 28 2016 07:52 Hexe wrote: EDIT It's repetitive. "They set forth at daybreak" After he already writes, "The morning had dawned clear and cold" We really only need the latter. And also, "nervous with excitement." Is more repetition. Even if the sentence was "Bran was nervous as this was the first time..." we could piece together that he would be excited. Seeing the kings justice done for the first time! His father is lord! That is awesome. "Hinted at the end of summer." That's some Xena foreshadowing there. "Nervous with excitement" isn't repetitive. If you really think it is, you need to study English more. Those two words have very distinct meanings. | ||
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Hexe
United States332 Posts
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TheFish7
United States2824 Posts
"We should start back." Gared urged as the woods began to grow dark around them. "The wildlings are dead." "Do the dead frighten you?" Ser Waymar Royce asked with just a hint of a smile. | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12224 Posts
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Hexe
United States332 Posts
On May 29 2016 06:12 Nebuchad wrote: This site is relevant http://www.storyispromise.com/GameOfThrones.htm That guy could say the same of any low-tier novelist. How many times have you heard this one before? Small group of men are investigating a dangerous area. There are signs of danger. One of them says they should head back. The leader mocks the other and asks. "You arent afraid of the dark are ya?" And Wa Pow! He dies. Then the other dies, and lastly, and this part is the most important, one of them gets real up and close with the killer, and is completely powerless. And end page / tv scene. And what of the foreshadowing of the Walkers? They don't have a single effect on the story for the next 5 books barring a couple minor incidents. At least HBO gave us a couple good opening shots of the group leaving the Wall. Which set the mood better I thought, shame about the tropes being the same. | ||
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Hyperbola
United States2540 Posts
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On May 29 2016 09:56 Hexe wrote: That guy could say the same of any low-tier novelist. How many times have you heard this one before? Small group of men are investigating a dangerous area. There are signs of danger. One of them says they should head back. The leader mocks the other and asks. "You arent afraid of the dark are ya?" And Wa Pow! He dies. Then the other dies, and lastly, and this part is the most important, one of them gets real up and close with the killer, and is completely powerless. And end page / tv scene. It's not about what you write, it's how you write it. A different writer could have written the exact same scene and have it be nowhere near as compelling. | ||
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Odoakar
Croatia1837 Posts
GRRM writing was really really good first 2-3 books, but the last two books were just zzzzzzzzzz.. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On May 29 2016 19:06 Odoakar wrote: I also find chapters where brienne is endlessly backtracking through westeros rural areas very compelling. That stuff is intense! GRRM writing was really really good first 2-3 books, but the last two books were just zzzzzzzzzz.. I actually agree with that, I thought A Game of Thrones was great and it's gone downhill since. It's gone VERY downhill since the War of the Five Kings ended. :/ | ||
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haitike
Spain2714 Posts
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Sholip
Hungary422 Posts
On May 29 2016 20:31 haitike wrote: I think 3 first books are quite better than 4/5. The last two books have so much filler and boring arcs. There seems to be a consensus that the first and third books are great. I personally didn't like Clash and hated Feast, but I think Dance was great again. Most people seem to dislike Dance, though... | ||
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