[TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion - Page 690

On May 25 2016 00:01 The_Red_Viper wrote:
GRRM confirmed that the Hodor reveal will have a different context in the books btw

On May 24 2016 23:26 Logo wrote:
I agree the have to go back reasoning on its own is weak.

I think it's better to think of it as Blood Raven having a good last lesson for Bran. He teaches him that he can influence people through his dreams, but as far as the past is concerned he can't actually change history from what he has known to pass (I.e Hodor is going to become Hodor).

Both are pretty important lessons for him to learn before he goes out on his own.

On May 25 2016 02:14 DickMcFanny wrote:


Of course, it has to. That reveal only works in an audiovisual medium.

On May 25 2016 02:43 Acrofales wrote:
They have basically embraced Littlefinger teleporting, haven't they. How the fuck did he get past Moat Cailin that is held by the Boltons?

On May 25 2016 02:43 Acrofales wrote:
They have basically embraced Littlefinger teleporting, haven't they. How the fuck did he get past Moat Cailin that is held by the Boltons?

On May 24 2016 09:19 Plansix wrote:
Them never talking would be interesting as long as the unanswered questions about their intent can be inferred through other silent scenes. I think a silent villain that we barely understood be interesting. Them talking would reduces a lot of their menace.

On May 25 2016 02:23 Wuster wrote:


The behind the scenes spot had D&D talking about how that was meant to be part of Bloodraven furiously showing Bran everything he could before it was too late. Instead of a supercut that would convey the rush of information hitting Bran.. they showed us that. And I don't disagree that it was more impactful the way they did it, it didn't actually present what they wanted (which would make more sense for Bloodraven to be doing).

Anyways, I posted this in the other thread, what happened with Wylis/Hodor is pretty close to a known paradox. You can accept them as they are, but thinking about it too hard isn't going to help you much (paradoxes you know?)

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/entertainment/82188-tv-hbo-game-of-thrones?page=1503#30048

On May 25 2016 04:56 brian wrote:

I guess I disagree a little, I'd like it for that same reason. giving him(or all the WW) a little extra something to make them less PURE EVIL feel fits better with the theme of the books, at least the theme I've read into them that nobody/no people is 'pure' anything.

On May 26 2016 00:16 Plansix wrote:

I have never seen them as pure evil, just alien with a lack of empathy which translates to malice. Their intent is not known and I would also prefer it never be known. Even if we know where they came from, we don’t understand how they were created or what happened. We just saw they were created as a desperate act during a war that backfired. But the exact nature of it backfiring and what lead up to where we are now hopefully will never be filled in.

Much like the Wall, I don’t need to know about the white walkers beyond what I know now. Someone built that wall for a reason. That exact reason is explained by the people in the world, but it isn’t’ clear if they are reliable or have the true information. Because claim that it was created to keep the wildlings makes it seem like the most massive overreaction of all time.

On May 26 2016 09:34 Spaylz wrote:


Funny, I completely disagree. To me, a villain without a motive seems pretty lame. Obviously, their current motive seems to be "destroy everything", but still. Given their backstory, I would be disappointed if we didn't find out more about how things got to where they are now. Different strokes, I suppose.

On May 27 2016 12:24 dmnum wrote:
I'd prefer if, rather than explaining exactly what is their reasoning or not explaining anything at all, the show/books only "half-explained" what the White Walkers motivations are.

Considering we are talking about events thousands years old, it would make more sense if we didn't get an absolutely complete explanation of what drives the White Walkers. I think that a sequence of visions or an apparition of Children of the Forest to explain everything neatly would be highly unsatisfying. It also would completely destroy the mysterious aura that shrouds the White Walkers. On the other hand, no explanation would make the White Walkers your typical stupid "I hate everything and want to destroy the world" villains.

Take, for example, the Dark Souls series: the lore is only explained in bits and pieces, leaving a lot to be filled in by fans, which gives the game a very distinct feeling. It's also reasonable, considering ancient events are never fully enlightened.

On May 26 2016 08:30 ObeseHydra wrote:
Good episode overall. Summer's fate was lame as fuck, though. One less expensive CGI character, I guess.