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On May 16 2016 16:44 Sent. wrote:The first scene was excellent and the last made me cringe. Whole episode was very inconsistent in quality but still very enjoyable Tormund + Brienne = ♥ Ep 5 Preview stuff + Show Spoiler +I wouldn't watch it if I knew what's in there, click and read below at your own risk Bran meets the ice zombie leader, wtf why would they reveal it in the preview?!
Don't tell me Littlefinger is going to teleport to Sansa again...
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On May 17 2016 00:38 SpiZe wrote:Might be, did she kill someone this episode ? Ahhhh yes she did. Could make sense, that's what I'll choose to believe for the time being  Although it's weird to me that Dany chooses to kill that poor innocent girl, that chose not to betray her and be loyal... what a great liberator she is 
No, I meant those 15 khals
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On May 17 2016 00:31 SpiZe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2016 11:06 Cricketer12 wrote:On May 16 2016 11:04 SpiZe wrote:
So what do we say to the people that claim that Targaryens are immune to fire now ? "Yeah they're not but D&D forgot ?"
Seriously no idea what to make of this. We say the books are the books and the show is the show. Thank god. It's not a case of Show vs Book to me, I really don't care about that. It's just... weak. Let's assume Dany is immune to fire. The show provides no explanation as to why, it's just there. You just take the two most logical explanations I guess : either it's because of some sort of bond with her dragons that grants her this ability, and this means that in the future every other dragon rider we see should also be fireproof OR she is immune because of her Targaryen ancestry. If it's that option, then for some reason she's fireproof while Jon isn't. Or even worse they will forget they burned Jon in the first season and make him fireproof. That's my biggest fear, because GoT is one of the few stories I heard that managed to stay logical within itself and I really want to keep it that way  I mean the Dany scene wasn't even that bad, it was even quite good, to the extent that a Dany scene can be that is. It's just... it's lacking an explanation I guess.
Maybe Dany is the prince that was promised and Melisandre is wrong (yet) again. Fire proof could be a perk from that.
I do wish the show was keeping up its nuance, but it seems to have hit a point where it feels like it needs to play it straightforward or something. I'm still loving watching it, but without the books guiding it it seems like it's starting to loose some of it's logical & character cohesion. There's a lot of season 6 stuff that just doesn't quite cover all the bases.
I'm also really really disappointed they didn't have the Book's reunion of Asha + Theon, but with the rescue sub-plot I guess that wasn't possible. It's a memorable moment from the book when Asha no longer recognizes Theon just as Theon didn't recognize her when he returned to the Iron Islands initially. Their reunion conversation was still pretty good though.
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On May 17 2016 00:34 Sent. wrote:
Maybe she gains fire immunity whenever she sacrifices a human life? Remember that she burned a witch before entering Khal Drogo's pyre in s1
This reasoning gives me so much hope
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On May 17 2016 00:43 Sholip wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2016 16:44 Sent. wrote:The first scene was excellent and the last made me cringe. Whole episode was very inconsistent in quality but still very enjoyable Tormund + Brienne = ♥ Ep 5 Preview stuff + Show Spoiler + Don't tell me Littlefinger is going to teleport to Sansa again...
The excuse I can see working is that like the books nit all events appear in chronological order. So the LF scene happened in season 5 end/season 6 beginning but they showed it this week to remind people LF exists.
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On May 17 2016 00:58 Logo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2016 00:31 SpiZe wrote:On May 16 2016 11:06 Cricketer12 wrote:On May 16 2016 11:04 SpiZe wrote:
So what do we say to the people that claim that Targaryens are immune to fire now ? "Yeah they're not but D&D forgot ?"
Seriously no idea what to make of this. We say the books are the books and the show is the show. Thank god. It's not a case of Show vs Book to me, I really don't care about that. It's just... weak. Let's assume Dany is immune to fire. The show provides no explanation as to why, it's just there. You just take the two most logical explanations I guess : either it's because of some sort of bond with her dragons that grants her this ability, and this means that in the future every other dragon rider we see should also be fireproof OR she is immune because of her Targaryen ancestry. If it's that option, then for some reason she's fireproof while Jon isn't. Or even worse they will forget they burned Jon in the first season and make him fireproof. That's my biggest fear, because GoT is one of the few stories I heard that managed to stay logical within itself and I really want to keep it that way I mean the Dany scene wasn't even that bad, it was even quite good, to the extent that a Dany scene can be that is. It's just... it's lacking an explanation I guess. Maybe Dany is the prince that was promised and Melisandre is wrong (yet) again. Fire proof could be a perk from that. I do wish the show was keeping up its nuance, but it seems to have hit a point where it feels like it needs to play it straightforward or something. I'm still loving watching it, but without the books guiding it it seems like it's starting to loose some of it's logical & character cohesion. There's a lot of season 6 stuff that just doesn't quite cover all the bases. I'm also really really disappointed they didn't have the Book's reunion of Asha + Theon, but with the rescue sub-plot I guess that wasn't possible. It's a memorable moment from the book when Asha no longer recognizes Theon just as Theon didn't recognize her when he returned to the Iron Islands initially. Their reunion conversation was still pretty good though.
"You have to remember your name"
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On May 17 2016 03:12 Cricketer12 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2016 00:34 Sent. wrote:
Maybe she gains fire immunity whenever she sacrifices a human life? Remember that she burned a witch before entering Khal Drogo's pyre in s1 This reasoning gives me so much hope
It's not true though. The show has always hinted at her affinity to withstand temperatures. In Season 1 she sits in a scaldingly hot bath and handles the dragon eggs that are also hot enough to burn flesh (as someone else finds out when they touch them) both happen early on before she becomes the Unburnt.
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On May 17 2016 03:18 Logo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2016 03:12 Cricketer12 wrote:On May 17 2016 00:34 Sent. wrote:
Maybe she gains fire immunity whenever she sacrifices a human life? Remember that she burned a witch before entering Khal Drogo's pyre in s1 This reasoning gives me so much hope It's not true though. The show has always hinted at her affinity to withstand temperatures. In Season 1 she sits in a scaldingly hot bath and handles the dragon eggs that are also hot enough to burn flesh (as someone else finds out when they touch them) both happen early on before she becomes the Unburnt.
Ya, they definitely sowed the seeds that she was immune to fire. Why is this such a big deal to book readers anwyays? She survived a pyre in the books exactly like the show and the books don't give an explanation for that either.
Besides, any Dragon rider is going to logically have some resistance to heat, otherwise Aegon and sisters would have burned their own skin off at the Field of Fire. So it's not too much of a stretch that a later Targaryn would have stronger/total immunity.
On May 16 2016 15:36 -Archangel- wrote:
Seems show producers really hate the dragons :D
I would have preferred a dragon in the last scene instead of just fire.
Given how crappy the cgi for the fire effects were, I'm going to assume they're saving money for the latter episodes.
On May 16 2016 11:49 Cricketer12 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2016 11:46 PhoenixVoid wrote:
The writing is especially lazy in regards to characters. Everyone devolves into this simplistic, one-dimensional person with little depth. Ramsay is particularly guilty of this, being nothing more than a psychopath who kills everyone he is with and gets away with every stupid little deed he does. Tyrion went from a smart planner who always managed to scrape by with his intellect or luck to a wisecracking dwarf who adds very little other than a quip. Cersei is supposed to be descending into madness, and now she's building alliances, while Jaime's quest of redemption is now him going back to supporting Cersei. Part of it is probably diverging from book canon so some of these complaints aren't valid, but jeez. "Hey I'm Brienne, let me act like an asshole even though we are on the same side"
I'm glad I'm not the only one who was really annoyed by that scene.
On May 16 2016 15:00 Cricketer12 wrote:
Jaime is doing this weird thing where his book 4 arc is going to happen this season even though man books 4 amd 5 events have occured. Hopefully Jaime abandons Cersei by the end of the season.
I find the inversion of Jaime's arc kind of strange a well. To the point that I wonder if the Riverland stuff is still going to happen, especially with Brienne up north.
But then again I found their shortcut of giving Sansa to Ramsay instead of marrying Harry the Heir completely pointless now that Littlefinger/Robyn is marching north anyways...
Speaking of which, did that scene between Littlefinger and Lord Royce remind you of this?
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On May 17 2016 03:47 Wuster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2016 03:18 Logo wrote:On May 17 2016 03:12 Cricketer12 wrote:On May 17 2016 00:34 Sent. wrote:
Maybe she gains fire immunity whenever she sacrifices a human life? Remember that she burned a witch before entering Khal Drogo's pyre in s1 This reasoning gives me so much hope It's not true though. The show has always hinted at her affinity to withstand temperatures. In Season 1 she sits in a scaldingly hot bath and handles the dragon eggs that are also hot enough to burn flesh (as someone else finds out when they touch them) both happen early on before she becomes the Unburnt. Ya, they definitely sowed the seeds that she was immune to fire. Why is this such a big deal to book readers anwyays? She survived a pyre in the books exactly like the show and the books don't give an explanation for that either. Besides, any Dragon rider is going to logically have some resistance to heat, otherwise Aegon and sisters would have burned their own skin off at the Field of Fire. So it's not too much of a stretch that a later Targaryn would have stronger/total immunity. Show nested quote +On May 16 2016 15:36 -Archangel- wrote:
Seems show producers really hate the dragons :D
I would have preferred a dragon in the last scene instead of just fire. Given how crappy the cgi for the fire effects were, I'm going to assume they're saving money for the latter episodes. Show nested quote +On May 16 2016 11:49 Cricketer12 wrote:On May 16 2016 11:46 PhoenixVoid wrote:
The writing is especially lazy in regards to characters. Everyone devolves into this simplistic, one-dimensional person with little depth. Ramsay is particularly guilty of this, being nothing more than a psychopath who kills everyone he is with and gets away with every stupid little deed he does. Tyrion went from a smart planner who always managed to scrape by with his intellect or luck to a wisecracking dwarf who adds very little other than a quip. Cersei is supposed to be descending into madness, and now she's building alliances, while Jaime's quest of redemption is now him going back to supporting Cersei. Part of it is probably diverging from book canon so some of these complaints aren't valid, but jeez. "Hey I'm Brienne, let me act like an asshole even though we are on the same side" I'm glad I'm not the only one who was really annoyed by that scene. Show nested quote +On May 16 2016 15:00 Cricketer12 wrote:
Jaime is doing this weird thing where his book 4 arc is going to happen this season even though man books 4 amd 5 events have occured. Hopefully Jaime abandons Cersei by the end of the season. I find the inversion of Jaime's arc kind of strange a well. To the point that I wonder if the Riverland stuff is still going to happen, especially with Brienne up north. But then again I found their shortcut of giving Sansa to Ramsay instead of marrying Harry the Heir completely pointless now that Littlefinger/Robyn is marching north anyways... Speaking of which, did that scene between Littlefinger and Lord Royce remind you of this? + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1la8E6D3_M0
From the trailer we know jaime pod brienne and bronn all meet up in the riverlands
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Interesting, Brienne gaining the power of teleportation too. Although, I guess it's plausible Sansa sends her away to help her Tully relatives.
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They are probably obsessed with Targs and Dany not being fire immune coz of this quote by GRRM:
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United States44215 Posts
They burned Aemon's body on the wall in the show, didn't they? And he was as Targ as Targs get. Also the Targ royal bloodline was somewhat diluted from pure Valyrian (for example Rhaegar's wife was from Dorne) and the Baratheons had a lot of Targ blood and yet somehow burn well enough. I think the argument has to be that Kelly C is special.
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It was customary to the Targs to burn their dead, I'm sure it came up in the books at one point. Whatever resistance they have in life to heat clearly doesn't do anything once they're dead.
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The thing is George has pretty much said that sge doesnt have natural full proof immunity. Her hair got burned off when her dragons hatched. I am of the opinion that either Dany somehow unwittingly stole mirri's blood magic incantation to.be fire proof OR dornish master plan mirri gave dany fire immunity.
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On May 17 2016 03:12 Cricketer12 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2016 00:34 Sent. wrote:
Maybe she gains fire immunity whenever she sacrifices a human life? Remember that she burned a witch before entering Khal Drogo's pyre in s1 This reasoning gives me so much hope
in s1 or whatever she is immune to scolding bath water
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On May 17 2016 00:34 Sent. wrote:
Maybe she gains fire immunity whenever she sacrifices a human life? Remember that she burned a witch before entering Khal Drogo's pyre in s1
Yes this is my theory as well. The only true magic in this series is Blood Magic. This is what allows her fire immunity, not her Targaryen bloodline (although the Targs of Valyria probably had in-depth knowledge of blood magic) I think sacrificing Drogo and Mirri Maz Dur was what allowed her dragons to hatch as well. Possibly Drogo, Rhaego, and Mirri Maz Durr's souls are inhabiting the dragons now in some way. I once got to see GRRM speak and I asked him if a human sacrifice was needed to birth a dragon. He said "There are things in the books that certainly would lead you to think that... but I'm going to elect to dodge that question right now" I also think a human sacrifice of some kind is necessary to forge a Valyrian steel sword...
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On May 17 2016 09:08 TheFish7 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2016 00:34 Sent. wrote:
Maybe she gains fire immunity whenever she sacrifices a human life? Remember that she burned a witch before entering Khal Drogo's pyre in s1 Yes this is my theory as well. The only true magic in this series is Blood Magic. This is what allows her fire immunity, not her Targaryen bloodline (although the Targs of Valyria probably had in-depth knowledge of blood magic) I think sacrificing Drogo and Mirri Maz Dur was what allowed her dragons to hatch as well. Possibly Drogo, Rhaego, and Mirri Maz Durr's souls are inhabiting the dragons now in some way. I once got to see GRRM speak and I asked him if a human sacrifice was needed to birth a dragon. He said "There are things in the books that certainly would lead you to think that... but I'm going to elect to dodge that question right now" I also think a human sacrifice of some kind is necessary to forge a Valyrian steel sword...
That seems very likely. Although if any human sac will do then valyria shouldnt have any problem as they had slaves
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Zurich15366 Posts
There is also King's cum magic, arguably the most impressive display of magic in the show so far.
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They're having a few continuity issues in the show, so i'm not at all surprised that they are just going with Daenerys being fireproof. The whole sequence, though, was a really forced callback to earlier moments of her arc, i.e., hatching the dragons; burning the slavers and claiming the unsullied, etc. It's "forced" because it was contrived and unnecessary for her to be going through this in the first place.
She, Daario and Jorah could have just escaped instead of coming up with this weird, risky plan that involves killing off every major leader of an entire nation, burning down the centerpoint of their holy city, and expecting them to worship her for it (which they did? for some reason)
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United States44215 Posts
On May 17 2016 09:13 Cricketer12 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2016 09:08 TheFish7 wrote:On May 17 2016 00:34 Sent. wrote:
Maybe she gains fire immunity whenever she sacrifices a human life? Remember that she burned a witch before entering Khal Drogo's pyre in s1 Yes this is my theory as well. The only true magic in this series is Blood Magic. This is what allows her fire immunity, not her Targaryen bloodline (although the Targs of Valyria probably had in-depth knowledge of blood magic) I think sacrificing Drogo and Mirri Maz Dur was what allowed her dragons to hatch as well. Possibly Drogo, Rhaego, and Mirri Maz Durr's souls are inhabiting the dragons now in some way. I once got to see GRRM speak and I asked him if a human sacrifice was needed to birth a dragon. He said "There are things in the books that certainly would lead you to think that... but I'm going to elect to dodge that question right now" I also think a human sacrifice of some kind is necessary to forge a Valyrian steel sword... That seems very likely. Although if any human sac will do then valyria shouldnt have any problem as they had slaves
If I recall correctly the legendary forging of Lightbringer required the sword to be tempered by stabbing the forger's wife with it.
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