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On February 24 2012 04:13 Ender985 wrote:
So that makes not three, but four uhmmm.. interesting pies in ADwD? I wonder if Martin should have renamed the book A Taste for People instead.
Oh God that's hilarious. :D
On February 24 2012 01:06 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 22:58 Acrofales wrote:On February 23 2012 06:21 Shichibukai wrote:On February 23 2012 06:01 Crazyeyes wrote:On February 23 2012 00:29 Shichibukai wrote:Heh, if the Jojen theory is true, Bran will be heartbroken when he finds out. Will he do something rash? Warg into Hodor and try to kill all the children? ^^ What else did you guys pick up on while reading? Everything below deals only with the books published so far, up to and including aDwD. Don't wanna spoil the teaser tWoW chapter at all!  - I'm kinda disappointed in myself that I didn't catch the Frey pie until it was spelled out to me. Even asking for the Rat Cook to be played... + Show Spoiler +
The idea being that Wyman Manderly had the three Frey envoys who were at White Harbour killed and baked into pies, which he then served to Bolton & Co at Winterfell.
- Likewise, I was completely oblivious as to where Wex tracked Rickon. Sure, Davos mentions cannibals, and Jon "dreamt" about Shaggydog eating a unicorn, but where do we first hear about these things being connected to + Show Spoiler +
Skagos? I honestly can't remember. Some Old Nan story in Game of thrones?
- Moving on, I don't trust any character being dead unless we get to witness his/her last breath anymore. Arya left Sandor bleeding and weak, and I knew it was someone else under that helm who was ravaging Saltpans, but + Show Spoiler +
I never drew the connection to the new brother at Quiet Isle. If that's him, I hope he gets a triumphant return later on, or at least an opportunity to get that kiss from Sansa.
- Robert Strong is so obviously + Show Spoiler +
Gregor Clegane, headless or not. Doubt this even needs a spoiler tag. My problem with this whole ordeal is this: Why would the other kingsguard, Kevan, Mace Tyrell and other higher-ups tolerate this abomination in a white cloak? Everything they "know" about him has been told by proxy of Qyburn, who is NOT a trustworthy person - being kicked out from the Citadel due to experimenting on humans, joining the bloody mummers etc. It's as absurd as if Cersei had put Vargo Hoat on her little council. How or why would they let Cersei (sure, she's the queen, but she was not exactly in a position of power when she made the nomination) shame the Lannister name, the reputation of the Kingsguard and risk another war?
- Rounding up, the letter Jon recieves from Ramsay. Would GRRM kill off someone like Stannis off-screen? All we get from this important battle is a biased letter from a biggest douchebag in Westeros? Remembering both Manderly (and lady Dustin?) and Arnolf Karstark were planning on betraying their respective sides, I feel like most of the letter is bullshit, and we're not done with the battle of Winterfell. I realize there's a tWoW chapter out with a PoV that probably touches on this, but leave that out of this.
 Since Ramsay + Show Spoiler +Or is it Roose? Roose is way more cunning, and might have his reasons to provocate the Night's Watch. Does Roose know Jon is losing the support of his brothers? Did he work together with Bowen Marsh, tricking Jon into deciding to march on Winterfell? Roose Bolton would be a fantastic character to have in King's Landing, giving Littlefinger and Varys a real match!
- At least I got Mance=Abel fairly quickly. ^^
The only one I got myself was Abel, and that took me a while. Well, that and Skagos. Another one related to theon, although I'm sure it's already been mentioned somewhere in here: + Show Spoiler [aDwD] +Ramsay castrated Theon. Or removed his wang. Or something.
Theon is no longer a man, pretty much. Ah yeah, that one I got too. Poor Theon. ^^ So many people keep mentioning how much more they notice on their second readthrough, with all the foreshadowing in this series. Will probably start over again once season 2 has finished and long wait begins. Poor Theon my ass. Theon's chapters in aDwD rocked, because we could finally get some sympathy for the twat. But even so, he deserves every second of being Reek (rhymes with meak ). After second reading this is not sure. It is hinted at some parts but those hints might also be referencing his lack of courage. Manhood = courage in those times. When Reek becomes Theon again he starts to mention fucking girls a lot. A person without any genitals would not care.
Are you sure? What does courage have to do with helping Reek 'warm up' a girl?
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Wow, reading through this thread made me realize how much I missed and how much of a master GRRM is. Seriously a baller.
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I thought about the reason for jojen's depression as I was reading through the book and I had a different conclusion.
It's mentioned many times during their trip that jojen is near dying during their trip. Once they make it to the caves he begins to become depressed. I saw it as though Jojen knows that he will never live to see his home again and will die north of the wall. He is just a child after all and it's his depression and the fact that they're trapped in a cave miles from the wall that is Meera making upset.
And Bran tastes the blood as he looks through the weirwood tree because the blood seeps down to its roots
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On February 24 2012 15:52 SoMuchBetter wrote:
I thought about the reason for jojen's depression as I was reading through the book and I had a different conclusion.
It's mentioned many times during their trip that jojen is near dying during their trip. Once they make it to the caves he begins to become depressed. I saw it as though Jojen knows that he will never live to see his home again and will die north of the wall. He is just a child after all and it's his depression and the fact that they're trapped in a cave miles from the wall that is Meera making upset.
And Bran tastes the blood as he looks through the weirwood tree because the blood seeps down to its roots
that would be reasonable, but it's GRRM so i'm totally jumpin the Jojen was sacrificed bandwagon.
Also how did you guys pick up so easily on Rickon being on Skagos. I had no friggin idea and spent quite some time figuring out some logical explanation than posted the question and got insta-answered. Where do they even write about Skagos and its cannibalism? I vaguely recall something from a chapter from the Wall, but i cant tell for sure. And how the hell did he end up there?
Also the northic war is a total clusterfuck i m not even trying to figure out who's lying and who's where and who's winning.
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On February 25 2012 21:37 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 15:52 SoMuchBetter wrote:
I thought about the reason for jojen's depression as I was reading through the book and I had a different conclusion.
It's mentioned many times during their trip that jojen is near dying during their trip. Once they make it to the caves he begins to become depressed. I saw it as though Jojen knows that he will never live to see his home again and will die north of the wall. He is just a child after all and it's his depression and the fact that they're trapped in a cave miles from the wall that is Meera making upset.
And Bran tastes the blood as he looks through the weirwood tree because the blood seeps down to its roots that would be reasonable, but it's GRRM so i'm totally jumpin the Jojen was sacrificed bandwagon. Also how did you guys pick up so easily on Rickon being on Skagos. I had no friggin idea and spent quite some time figuring out some logical explanation than posted the question and got insta-answered. Where do they even write about Skagos and its cannibalism? I vaguely recall something from a chapter from the Wall, but i cant tell for sure. And how the hell did he end up there? Also the northic war is a total clusterfuck i m not even trying to figure out who's lying and who's where and who's winning.
I noticed a couple of mentions here and there on one of my re-reads. Maybe it's more significant in the Dunk and Egg books or something because I had no idea Skagos was a place at first until i looked up where Rickon went on the net. I seem to recall GRRM himself confirming that they went to Skagos not so long ago (don't quote me on this).
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On February 25 2012 21:37 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 15:52 SoMuchBetter wrote:
I thought about the reason for jojen's depression as I was reading through the book and I had a different conclusion.
It's mentioned many times during their trip that jojen is near dying during their trip. Once they make it to the caves he begins to become depressed. I saw it as though Jojen knows that he will never live to see his home again and will die north of the wall. He is just a child after all and it's his depression and the fact that they're trapped in a cave miles from the wall that is Meera making upset.
And Bran tastes the blood as he looks through the weirwood tree because the blood seeps down to its roots that would be reasonable, but it's GRRM so i'm totally jumpin the Jojen was sacrificed bandwagon. Also how did you guys pick up so easily on Rickon being on Skagos. I had no friggin idea and spent quite some time figuring out some logical explanation than posted the question and got insta-answered. Where do they even write about Skagos and its cannibalism? I vaguely recall something from a chapter from the Wall, but i cant tell for sure. And how the hell did he end up there? Also the northic war is a total clusterfuck i m not even trying to figure out who's lying and who's where and who's winning.
I am pretty sure that the Onion Knight himself mentions Skagos.
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On February 25 2012 21:37 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 15:52 SoMuchBetter wrote:
I thought about the reason for jojen's depression as I was reading through the book and I had a different conclusion.
It's mentioned many times during their trip that jojen is near dying during their trip. Once they make it to the caves he begins to become depressed. I saw it as though Jojen knows that he will never live to see his home again and will die north of the wall. He is just a child after all and it's his depression and the fact that they're trapped in a cave miles from the wall that is Meera making upset.
And Bran tastes the blood as he looks through the weirwood tree because the blood seeps down to its roots that would be reasonable, but it's GRRM so i'm totally jumpin the Jojen was sacrificed bandwagon. Also how did you guys pick up so easily on Rickon being on Skagos. I had no friggin idea and spent quite some time figuring out some logical explanation than posted the question and got insta-answered. Where do they even write about Skagos and its cannibalism? I vaguely recall something from a chapter from the Wall, but i cant tell for sure. And how the hell did he end up there? Also the northic war is a total clusterfuck i m not even trying to figure out who's lying and who's where and who's winning.
Skagos is the only place that has been mentioned with both unicorns and cannibals, IIRC. It was talked about in some detail in a Samwell chapter in book 4. It was mentioned that the inhabitants of a northern Skagossi island were taken and consumed and has not been inhabited since.
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And here i thought the Lyanna and Rheagar as father to Jon was windblown moment. But Jojen dying was so obvious, fuck i loved that little guy :<
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On February 24 2012 04:13 Ender985 wrote:
So that makes not three, but four uhmmm.. interesting pies in ADwD? I wonder if Martin should have renamed the book A Taste for People instead.
There are the pies of Frey and possibly the Jojen paste. What are the other two?
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The Bran eating Jojen theory gave me a good laugh.
Not because it is implausible, but because it reminds me just how fucked up GRRM can get.
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On February 26 2012 02:28 nooboon wrote:
And here i thought the Lyanna and Rheagar as father to Jon was windblown moment. But Jojen dying was so obvious, fuck i loved that little guy :<
I don't think Jojen died, and that's simply because GRRM is too good of an author to waste the repeated quote "today is not the day I die." When Jojen finally hits that day, he is going to either say something like "today is the day I die", or very noticeably not say "today is not the day I die" when asked (probably by Meera).
So while the evidence points to Bran eating Jojen in that paste, I just don't think GRRM would waste a line like that. Just look back on the "Tywin Lannister does not, in fact, shit gold" moment, or Ygritte telling Jon Snow "you know nothing" when he says she won't die. GRRM doesn't waste lines like that, and I don't think he would with Jojen.
The only possibility is if TWoW has a bit of chronological overlap (which we already know it does a little, according to GRRM himself) and Jojen's death will happen again and be shown through another POV (Meera?). But I still think that would really undermine the death sequence.
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On February 26 2012 02:23 Skilledblob wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 21:37 Geo.Rion wrote:On February 24 2012 15:52 SoMuchBetter wrote:
I thought about the reason for jojen's depression as I was reading through the book and I had a different conclusion.
It's mentioned many times during their trip that jojen is near dying during their trip. Once they make it to the caves he begins to become depressed. I saw it as though Jojen knows that he will never live to see his home again and will die north of the wall. He is just a child after all and it's his depression and the fact that they're trapped in a cave miles from the wall that is Meera making upset.
And Bran tastes the blood as he looks through the weirwood tree because the blood seeps down to its roots that would be reasonable, but it's GRRM so i'm totally jumpin the Jojen was sacrificed bandwagon. Also how did you guys pick up so easily on Rickon being on Skagos. I had no friggin idea and spent quite some time figuring out some logical explanation than posted the question and got insta-answered. Where do they even write about Skagos and its cannibalism? I vaguely recall something from a chapter from the Wall, but i cant tell for sure. And how the hell did he end up there? Also the northic war is a total clusterfuck i m not even trying to figure out who's lying and who's where and who's winning. I am pretty sure that the Onion Knight himself mentions Skagos.
well, surely not in White Harbor i re-read the chapters there, anyways, pretty cool, i hope we'll see more Davos, he had so few chapters
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Davos himself mentions cannibalism after Wex throws the dagger. Jon dreams of the unicorn, and I suppose we heard about cannibals, unicorns and the Skane incident during Sam's chapters in aFFC when sailing to Braavos?
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On February 26 2012 03:19 Xivsa wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 04:13 Ender985 wrote:
So that makes not three, but four uhmmm.. interesting pies in ADwD? I wonder if Martin should have renamed the book A Taste for People instead. There are the pies of Frey and possibly the Jojen paste. What are the other two?
The Freys were baked into 3 pies.
Also if you're trying got imply that Rickon was eaten, I doubt that he was. Osha obviously knows the real deal with Skagos and possibly some people there, I doubt she would bring Rickon into harms way. I think she truly means to protect him.
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Book 4-5 questions for discussion:
+ Show Spoiler +- In book 4, why does the prologue feature one of Arya's assassin dudes (recall, the gold coin traded for iron, a similar death (biting the coin) as Arya uses in book 5). What was the whole deal with stealing iron, and is it related to anything else (assassins lurking in Oldtown, perhaps relevant to Sam's training in book 6... 7... )?
- In book 5, why do Varys+Illyrio send Tyrion to join Griff's company to Volantis? At face value: Tyrion says he dislikes Griff's plan, convinces Griff that it's better to just go home... Illyrio says that Varys spoke highly of Tyrion's intellect, Varys makes his support for Griff known in the epilogue... are we to believe that Varys intended for Griff to make it to Daenarys, and Tyrion simply foiled this plan? If not, did Varys have a hidden intention for Tyrion (e.g. to persuade Griff that dragon-hunting was foolish and to return to Westeros asap)? I feel like GRRM pulled the Griff plot out of his ass just to fill the void the war of 5 kings left behind, but no doubt he can salt the plot in later books with invented details if he wants to sow distrust between Tyrion & Varys.
- Do you think GRRM has too many story archs for his own good? Book 6 has the following to work with, not counting new characters:
- Bran
- Jon Snow (presumably dead, just when he was starting to get interesting)
- Sam + Sphinx
- Asha + Theon (+ Mance?)
- Davos (what good is he if Stannis is dead?)
- Aeron vs Euron (if anyone still cares)
- Victarion (this guy kicks ass)
- Myrcella + Nymeria, and the Dornish plot
- Tyrion + Penny + Jorah
- Griff + Aegon
- Jaime + Brienne vs Catelyn/Beric/Thoros/(Gendry?)
- Selmy the Hand
- Daenarys
- Quentyn's men, on Selmy's little mission
- Cersei + Tyrells
- Alayne Stone + Petyr
- Salty/Cat/No one
Am I forgetting anybody?
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On March 04 2012 17:13 mmp wrote:Book 4-5 questions for discussion: + Show Spoiler +- In book 4, why does the prologue feature one of Arya's assassin dudes (recall, the gold coin traded for iron, a similar death (biting the coin) as Arya uses in book 5). What was the whole deal with stealing iron, and is it related to anything else (assassins lurking in Oldtown, perhaps relevant to Sam's training in book 6... 7... )?
- In book 5, why do Varys+Illyrio send Tyrion to join Griff's company to Volantis? At face value: Tyrion says he dislikes Griff's plan, convinces Griff that it's better to just go home... Illyrio says that Varys spoke highly of Tyrion's intellect, Varys makes his support for Griff known in the epilogue... are we to believe that Varys intended for Griff to make it to Daenarys, and Tyrion simply foiled this plan? If not, did Varys have a hidden intention for Tyrion (e.g. to persuade Griff that dragon-hunting was foolish and to return to Westeros asap)? I feel like GRRM pulled the Griff plot out of his ass just to fill the void the war of 5 kings left behind, but no doubt he can salt the plot in later books with invented details if he wants to sow distrust between Tyrion & Varys.
- Do you think GRRM has too many story archs for his own good? Book 6 has the following to work with, not counting new characters:
- Bran
- Jon Snow (presumably dead, just when he was starting to get interesting)
- Sam + Sphinx
- Asha + Theon (+ Mance?)
- Davos (what good is he if Stannis is dead?)
- Aeron vs Euron (if anyone still cares)
- Victarion (this guy kicks ass)
- Myrcella + Nymeria, and the Dornish plot
- Tyrion + Penny + Jorah
- Griff + Aegon
- Jaime + Brienne vs Catelyn/Beric/Thoros/(Gendry?)
- Selmy the Hand
- Daenarys
- Quentyn's men, on Selmy's little mission
- Cersei + Tyrells
- Alayne Stone + Petyr
- Salty/Cat/No one
Am I forgetting anybody?
First point: Definitely tied to Sam's storyline
Second point: Tyrion is the heir of Castly Rock as it stands. Im 100% GRRM didnt pull it out of his ass, cuz since book 2 people were speculating the return of Aegon (the vision of Danearys in which Raegar holds his baby and says "His is the song of ice and fire" -also afaik the only place the title words are mentioned.) Also, there were references on Robert escaping at the beginning of the rebellion and about the young Hand.
The wildlings
And i guess the Manderlys vs Freys +Boltons can be considered somewhat separately from the Stannis+Greyjoys line, though it's closely tied
Also Melissandre, in case in which she isnt revieving/doing something with Jon (which she clearly will, but if not)
EDIT: forgot the most important one Littlefinger+Sansa+the heir of the Vale (Hanry?)
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On March 04 2012 17:29 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2012 17:13 mmp wrote:Book 4-5 questions for discussion: + Show Spoiler +- In book 4, why does the prologue feature one of Arya's assassin dudes (recall, the gold coin traded for iron, a similar death (biting the coin) as Arya uses in book 5). What was the whole deal with stealing iron, and is it related to anything else (assassins lurking in Oldtown, perhaps relevant to Sam's training in book 6... 7... )?
- In book 5, why do Varys+Illyrio send Tyrion to join Griff's company to Volantis? At face value: Tyrion says he dislikes Griff's plan, convinces Griff that it's better to just go home... Illyrio says that Varys spoke highly of Tyrion's intellect, Varys makes his support for Griff known in the epilogue... are we to believe that Varys intended for Griff to make it to Daenarys, and Tyrion simply foiled this plan? If not, did Varys have a hidden intention for Tyrion (e.g. to persuade Griff that dragon-hunting was foolish and to return to Westeros asap)? I feel like GRRM pulled the Griff plot out of his ass just to fill the void the war of 5 kings left behind, but no doubt he can salt the plot in later books with invented details if he wants to sow distrust between Tyrion & Varys.
- Do you think GRRM has too many story archs for his own good? Book 6 has the following to work with, not counting new characters:
- Bran
- Jon Snow (presumably dead, just when he was starting to get interesting)
- Sam + Sphinx
- Asha + Theon (+ Mance?)
- Davos (what good is he if Stannis is dead?)
- Aeron vs Euron (if anyone still cares)
- Victarion (this guy kicks ass)
- Myrcella + Nymeria, and the Dornish plot
- Tyrion + Penny + Jorah
- Griff + Aegon
- Jaime + Brienne vs Catelyn/Beric/Thoros/(Gendry?)
- Selmy the Hand
- Daenarys
- Quentyn's men, on Selmy's little mission
- Cersei + Tyrells
- Alayne Stone + Petyr
- Salty/Cat/No one
Am I forgetting anybody?
First point: Definitely tied to Sam's storyline
That sounds like an opinion. I'm wondering if I overlooked some relevant facts in book 4, not speculation about what book 6-7 might have in store for Sam.
Second point: Tyrion is the heir of Castly Rock as it stands. Im 100% GRRM didnt pull it out of his ass, cuz since book 2 people were speculating the return of Aegon (the vision of Danearys in which Raegar holds his baby and says "His is the song of ice and fire" -also afaik the only place the title words are mentioned.) Also, there were references on Robert escaping at the beginning of the rebellion and about the young Hand.
What does Tyrion's birthright have to do with the dance with dragons & Varys's intentions with regards to Griff/Aegon?
"Return of Aegon"? Maybe, I hardly remember. It seemed like common knowledge before book 5 that his princely head was "dashed against a wall" by Robert Baratheon, delivered by Tywin, etc etc. I don't recall any characters second-guessing that death prior to book 5. By my reading, Aegon's death was established history until book 5, not myth. Your vision may hint at GRRM's long-term intentions of introducing Aegon into the plot, but doesn't give the reader anything concrete to think on when Aegon is revealed in book 5. Maybe I need to reread Tyrion's unmasking of Aegon on the Rhoyne for hints.
The wildlings
And i guess the Manderlys vs Freys +Boltons can be considered somewhat separately from the Stannis+Greyjoys line, though it's closely tied
Also Melissandre, in case in which she isnt revieving/doing something with Jon (which she clearly will, but if not)
EDIT: forgot the most important one Littlefinger+Sansa+the heir of the Vale (Hanry?)
I didn't forget Sansa (Alayne Stone).
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People are saying Sandor is not dead. Didn't the septon dude tell Brienne that he found his corpse (and then they took his horse)?
And what's all this about Bran eating Jojen paste?
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On March 04 2012 18:18 mmp wrote:
People are saying Sandor is not dead. Didn't the septon dude tell Brienne that he found his corpse (and then they took his horse)?
http://www.westeros.org/Citadel/FAQ/Entry/2004/
If that is true, it also opens the possibility of the hound being chosen as the champion of the Faith to take on Ungregor (Robert Strong).
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On March 04 2012 18:02 mmp wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2012 17:29 Geo.Rion wrote:On March 04 2012 17:13 mmp wrote:Book 4-5 questions for discussion: + Show Spoiler +- In book 4, why does the prologue feature one of Arya's assassin dudes (recall, the gold coin traded for iron, a similar death (biting the coin) as Arya uses in book 5). What was the whole deal with stealing iron, and is it related to anything else (assassins lurking in Oldtown, perhaps relevant to Sam's training in book 6... 7... )?
- In book 5, why do Varys+Illyrio send Tyrion to join Griff's company to Volantis? At face value: Tyrion says he dislikes Griff's plan, convinces Griff that it's better to just go home... Illyrio says that Varys spoke highly of Tyrion's intellect, Varys makes his support for Griff known in the epilogue... are we to believe that Varys intended for Griff to make it to Daenarys, and Tyrion simply foiled this plan? If not, did Varys have a hidden intention for Tyrion (e.g. to persuade Griff that dragon-hunting was foolish and to return to Westeros asap)? I feel like GRRM pulled the Griff plot out of his ass just to fill the void the war of 5 kings left behind, but no doubt he can salt the plot in later books with invented details if he wants to sow distrust between Tyrion & Varys.
- Do you think GRRM has too many story archs for his own good? Book 6 has the following to work with, not counting new characters:
- Bran
- Jon Snow (presumably dead, just when he was starting to get interesting)
- Sam + Sphinx
- Asha + Theon (+ Mance?)
- Davos (what good is he if Stannis is dead?)
- Aeron vs Euron (if anyone still cares)
- Victarion (this guy kicks ass)
- Myrcella + Nymeria, and the Dornish plot
- Tyrion + Penny + Jorah
- Griff + Aegon
- Jaime + Brienne vs Catelyn/Beric/Thoros/(Gendry?)
- Selmy the Hand
- Daenarys
- Quentyn's men, on Selmy's little mission
- Cersei + Tyrells
- Alayne Stone + Petyr
- Salty/Cat/No one
Am I forgetting anybody?
First point: Definitely tied to Sam's storyline That sounds like an opinion. I'm wondering if I overlooked some relevant facts in book 4, not speculation about what book 6-7 might have in store for Sam. Show nested quote +
Second point: Tyrion is the heir of Castly Rock as it stands. Im 100% GRRM didnt pull it out of his ass, cuz since book 2 people were speculating the return of Aegon (the vision of Danearys in which Raegar holds his baby and says "His is the song of ice and fire" -also afaik the only place the title words are mentioned.) Also, there were references on Robert escaping at the beginning of the rebellion and about the young Hand.
What does Tyrion's birthright have to do with the dance with dragons & Varys's intentions with regards to Griff/Aegon? "Return of Aegon"? Maybe, I hardly remember. It seemed like common knowledge before book 5 that his princely head was "dashed against a wall" by Robert Baratheon, delivered by Tywin, etc etc. I don't recall any characters second-guessing that death prior to book 5. By my reading, Aegon's death was established history until book 5, not myth. Your vision may hint at GRRM's long-term intentions of introducing Aegon into the plot, but doesn't give the reader anything concrete to think on when Aegon is revealed in book 5. Maybe I need to reread Tyrion's unmasking of Aegon on the Rhoyne for hints. Show nested quote +
The wildlings
And i guess the Manderlys vs Freys +Boltons can be considered somewhat separately from the Stannis+Greyjoys line, though it's closely tied
Also Melissandre, in case in which she isnt revieving/doing something with Jon (which she clearly will, but if not)
EDIT: forgot the most important one Littlefinger+Sansa+the heir of the Vale (Hanry?)
I didn't forget Sansa (Alayne Stone).
1. more like an educated guess
2. I guess they want to use Tyrion to get Castly Rock's alliance to the cause of Aegon
3. It was a theory before the 5th book, the best i found right now is this: http://www.towerofthehand.com/essays/chrisholden/baby_aegon.html
Anyways, i was convinced we'd see Aegon because of the Rhaegar's vision and GRRM's interview answer
And yes, sorry missed that u mentioned Sansa+Littlefinger, with different names
And, yeah, Sandor Clegane, i forgot about him, i also support the theory that he is alive
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