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SPOILER WARNING If you only watch the show, this thread will spoil you of future events in HBO's Game of Thrones. Thread contains discussion of all books of the series A Song of Ice and Fire Click Here for the spoiler-free thread. | ||
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Flik
Canada256 Posts
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dormer
United States1314 Posts
The actual storytelling, acting, and atmosphere, though, were great. I really loved the scene when the boats start drumming. And lots of awesome character moments -- Cersei preparing to kill Tommen, Joffrey pussying out, the Hound deciding to run off, Tyrion stepping up (Dinklage needs another Emmy, I swear). | ||
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dapierow
Serbia1316 Posts
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TigerKarl
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On May 28 2012 14:25 dapierow wrote: Hey guys quick question, I havent read the books yet but, if i start reading them after the seanson finale can i start on book 3? or is it completely differnet i strongly recommend to start with the first book. the tv show itself is great, but it doesn't transport half the depth that can be told in books. Hell, if i'd just have watched the show, i wouldn't even know half the characters names. You'd miss out a lot of things that make the books great if you skip the first 2 books. | ||
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
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ShadowDrgn
United States2497 Posts
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hugedong
United States510 Posts
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JeosAdn
Costa Rica432 Posts
Other than that, it went really well. oh and p4nDemik predicts that Stannis won't survive xD | ||
Braric
Canada184 Posts
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phyre112
United States3090 Posts
On May 28 2012 14:34 ShadowDrgn wrote: I'd say you're safe to start on book 3. The first season of the TV show was practically identical to Game of Thrones, and even though there have been more differences in the second season, it's close enough that you shouldn't have a problem. You're missing out on some minor characters that may cause some confusion though. There are some excellent chapter-by-chapter summaries of the first two books on the Internet that you could skim, and they'd be sufficient to fill in any holes that the TV show left. As someone who read book one after having watched season 1, I'd say there's almost nothing you miss there. A few scenes don't happen quite the same way, but they have the same outcome. You miss a little bit of the depth of character. Book two though, I would read. The characters and their interactions have been VERY shallow this season as compared to Book two. If you really want to skip it, you'll have the main story points, but it's more like reading a summary than it is following along. | ||
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Braric
Canada184 Posts
On May 28 2012 15:20 phyre112 wrote: As someone who read book one after having watched season 1, I'd say there's almost nothing you miss there. A few scenes don't happen quite the same way, but they have the same outcome. You miss a little bit of the depth of character. Book two though, I would read. The characters and their interactions have been VERY shallow this season as compared to Book two. If you really want to skip it, you'll have the main story points, but it's more like reading a summary than it is following along. Part of what's so amazing about ASOIAF is the fact that there is so much details, back story, and little clues written so subtly, personally I would suggest you read the books for this sole fact. I mean if you think about your first read through how much of the abundance of theories out there did you pick up on, only in rereads can you really appreciate the depth that George puts into each and every sentence. | ||
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Asha
United Kingdom38257 Posts
On May 28 2012 14:25 dapierow wrote: Hey guys quick question, I havent read the books yet but, if i start reading them after the seanson finale can i start on book 3? or is it completely differnet Don't skip book two, the series deviates quite a bit for budget and pacing reasons and there's major characters and plotlines that are considerably altered going into the third book. You can pretty much skip the first and you'll not miss anything major, but I'd recommend reading it too since everything is just much more detailed and fleshed out and there's a few minor scenes that give interesting points to think on. | ||
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scudst0rm
Canada1149 Posts
On May 28 2012 15:20 phyre112 wrote: As someone who read book one after having watched season 1, I'd say there's almost nothing you miss there. If you really think that then you definitely missed stuff. You would probably be OK with starting with ASOS, Like you would know the major plot points leading in to it. I feel like a lot of the changes are fairly self contained in season 2. HOWEVER, skipping the first 2 books is doing yourself a big disservice and you won't get the full ASOIAF experience. There are tonnes of little details and backstory that get introduced in the first 2 books that have major ramifications later on. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
I so hope it's as funny as in the books when Sansa is having dinner with the Tyrells. edit: Also, I wouldn't skip books 1 and 2. There's so many awesome little details left of the show that really make the book series a masterpiece. | ||
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Drowsy
United States4876 Posts
On May 28 2012 14:25 dapierow wrote: Hey guys quick question, I havent read the books yet but, if i start reading them after the seanson finale can i start on book 3? or is it completely differnet Yes, definitely. A lot of awesome things are different/left out, especially from Theon's and Arya's chapter's in book 2, but other than that the story is mostly intact. Maybe just read the arya chapters in book 2? Those ones are the only ones where its really dramatically different and much longer, more detailed, and rich. It also sets up a lot of her motivations and personal characteristics going into book 3 and beyond. The Arya chapters in chapter 3 are seriously fucking amazing and have a very satisfying ending. Can't wait to see them in the show. The other changes weren't near as dramatic. They also devoted a fuckton of time to mostly irrelevant stuff about Robb in the show that isn't in the book. | ||
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Sanjuro
Indonesia252 Posts
And who are you, the proud lord said That I must bow so low, Only a cat of a different coat That's all the truth I know In a coat of gold or a coat of red, A lion still has claws And mine are long and sharp, my lord, As long and sharp as yours And so he spoke, and so he spoke That lord of Castamere, But now the rains weep over his hall With no one there to hear. Yes now the rains weep over his hall, And not a soul to hear. | ||
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Crazyeyes
Canada1342 Posts
On May 28 2012 14:34 ShadowDrgn wrote: I'd say you're safe to start on book 3. The first season of the TV show was practically identical to Game of Thrones, and even though there have been more differences in the second season, it's close enough that you shouldn't have a problem. You're missing out on some minor characters that may cause some confusion though. There are some excellent chapter-by-chapter summaries of the first two books on the Internet that you could skim, and they'd be sufficient to fill in any holes that the TV show left. I disagree completely. If you really want to skip soemthing, skip book one, although I don't reccomend it. A Clash of Kings is like 10 times better than GoT season 2, though. At least in my opinion. That book was fucking amazing, and they skipped out on so much (not that I blame them). THey also changed a bunch of random things needlessly that really bother me. I stopped watching this show for like 3 weeks and just caught up righ tnow, actually. It actually bored me enough to stop watching. I stayed up reading until 2 AM reading the book, on the other hand... multiple times. ------------------------ So as far as the shit I just caught up on... What they did with Jon's story just doens't sit well with me. In the end they'll have the same outcome, sure. But I hate the way they've gone about it. Why couldn't they have done it the normal way? They completely skipped the relevation that he's a warg. And now their little party's demise is all Jon's fault. Also Stannis and Tywin beign on the front lines. That isn't how it happened. And ... did Tyrion even build his boom? Was that ever mentioned at all ever? I guess I shouldn't be surprised that Arya's escape was trivialized so much. "Just walk out the gate." Okay. Rob her of another kill, why don't ya. Book Arya Killscore so far: like 30+. GoT Arya Killscore so far: 1. I'm a bit curious on what exactly it was that "broke the bank." Could htat have really cost them that much? Apparently so. I had a bunch of other things to bitch about but I forgot most of them, and I'm sure you don' tcare. But I don't want to make it sound like I hated it. It was pretty well done... just after all the hype and talk of breaking the bank I guess I expected more. As for random little things done right: I'm surprised they made the wildfire green. I didn't expect them to put that extra effort in. I also didn't expect them to cut his face. I'm sure he'll keep his nose and they'll just give him a big ugly scar. Prolly makes more sense that way. Tyrion's scenes were awesome as usual. "Those are brave men out there. Let's go kill them!" What a great line. I loved that they were singing Reyes of Castemere. When it came back up during the credits I got chills. Fucking awesome, little things like that. They changed book Tywin, but that's one change I won't complain about. He's awesome. EDIT: Awesome, you posted that song. It's great. Totally chill-inducing. Last time I posted here I wa stalkinga bout them and how I found some. I think I prefer this version more musically: + Show Spoiler + But again, not as chill-inducing. I hope they also play The Bear and the Maiden Fair eventually during this show. :D Joffrey's wedding? EDITagain: Apparently the only adjective I know is 'awesome.' | ||
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woody60707
United States1863 Posts
On May 28 2012 14:46 Braric wrote: Anyone else a bit disappointed with the Sansa and Sandor scene? This way I remember it was he want to Sansa to rape her, but chickened out and just had her sing him a song. But I could be remembering that wrong. | ||
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Crazyeyes
Canada1342 Posts
On May 28 2012 18:00 woody60707 wrote: This way I remember it was he want to Sansa to rape her, but chickened out and just had her sing him a song. But I could be remembering that wrong. He was drunk as fuck and definitely wanted to get some of that, but I don't think he would rape her. I don't think he chickened out becuase I don't think that was his plan. But then maybe I'm wrong. It was pretty accurate from what I remember, though. | ||
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woody60707
United States1863 Posts
On May 28 2012 18:10 Crazyeyes wrote: He was drunk as fuck and definitely wanted to get some of that, but I don't think he would rape her. I don't think he chickened out becuase I don't think that was his plan. But then maybe I'm wrong. It was pretty accurate from what I remember, though. Being that GRRM wrote this ep. and didn't hint at all at rape, you are likely right. I think that when a drunk guy holds a knife to a girl, my mind kinda drifts that way. | ||
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