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SPOILER WARNING If you only watch the show, this thread will spoil you of future events in HBO's Game of Thrones. Thread contains discussion of all books of the series A Song of Ice and Fire
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Flik
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada256 Posts
May 22 2012 08:32 GMT
#2501
On May 22 2012 11:21 jxx wrote:
Did anyone else see the three whores in the last episode? xD


Totally missed 3 whores. Seen one beaten one and one kissing a midget. Where was the other ?
anomalopidae
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Slovenia549 Posts
May 22 2012 08:40 GMT
#2502
well there's been a lot of whores in the episode
1. Shae
2. the beaten girl
3. volantese girl (I suppose she's whore/spy)
4. dany (isn't she called whore of smth by the slavers later in the series?)
5. well Cersei obviously
Imagine a place where the Alps meet the Mediterranean, where you can pick autumn fruits in the morning, bathe in the Adriatic in the afternoon, and go night skiing in the evening…It’s Slovenia!
Jankisa
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Croatia1392 Posts
May 22 2012 10:27 GMT
#2503
Here is a imaginary tournament for the title of the deadliest warrior of ASOIF that folks on www.towerofthehand.com voted on.

http://towerofthehand.com/essays/mikelight77/dw/index.html

It is really well written and fun to read, and the winner is :
+ Show Spoiler +
Finals (641 Responses):
Jaime Lannister (336, 52.4%)
Syrio Forel (305, 47.6%)
So, are you a pessimist? - On my better days. Are you a nihilist? - Not as much as I should be.
InDaHouse
Profile Joined May 2008
Sweden956 Posts
May 22 2012 14:26 GMT
#2504
I am pretty sure that Jaime in the books referring to Selmy. the Mountain and Greatjon Umber as the only 3 in Westeros to be contenders in a swordsfight.
Stork protoss legend
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-22 14:45:13
May 22 2012 14:40 GMT
#2505
On May 22 2012 23:26 InDaHouse wrote:
I am pretty sure that Jaime in the books referring to Selmy. the Mountain and Greatjon Umber as the only 3 in Westeros to be contenders in a swordsfight.


She is stronger than i am.
The realisation chilled him. Robert had been stronger than him, to be sure. The white Bull Gerold Hightower as well, in his heyday, and Ser Arthur Dayne. Amongst the living, Greatjon Umber was stronger, strongboar of crakehall most likely, both Cleganes for a certainty. The Mountain's strength was like nothing human. It did not matter. With speed and skill, Jaime could beat them all
.


He's only talking about people physically stronger than him, and mentions how he could beat them with speed and skill.

==

There's a bunch of elite fighters in Westeros, many of whom we've presumably barely heard about/seen. Take Garlan Tyrell, we basically know fuck all about him but it turns out he's better than his little brother Loras despite the latter being far more well known as a result of tournies and general glory hunting.
jxx
Profile Joined April 2010
Brazil307 Posts
May 22 2012 19:24 GMT
#2506
On May 22 2012 17:32 Flik wrote:
Totally missed 3 whores. Seen one beaten one and one kissing a midget. Where was the other ?



On May 22 2012 17:40 anomalopidae wrote:
well there's been a lot of whores in the episode
1. Shae
2. the beaten girl
3. volantese girl (I suppose she's whore/spy)
4. dany (isn't she called whore of smth by the slavers later in the series?)
5. well Cersei obviously


I mean the catapults that Tyrion so kindly calls "Whores".
adiga
Profile Joined July 2011
495 Posts
May 22 2012 19:42 GMT
#2507
As some one who really loved Tyrion while reading the books, I really really really really really hate what are they doing with his character!
The Tyrion in the show is another hand of the king nothing special, How does he want to continue being the hand of the king without doing anything but bitch around Joffrey and slap him from time to time? I feel like he doesn't do anything. Tell me Varis how is he a good hand? really?
They robbed him from all the actions he did which bought my love and appreciation to him.
THANKS GOD that Peter Dinklage is such a great actor and they at least didn't make him an utter stupid and he actually can talk.
The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago. The second best time is now.
scudst0rm
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1149 Posts
May 22 2012 19:49 GMT
#2508
On May 23 2012 04:42 adiga wrote:
As some one who really loved Tyrion while reading the books, I really really really really really hate what are they doing with his character!
The Tyrion in the show is another hand of the king nothing special, How does he want to continue being the hand of the king without doing anything but bitch around Joffrey and slap him from time to time? I feel like he doesn't do anything. Tell me Varis how is he a good hand? really?
They robbed him from all the actions he did which bought my love and appreciation to him.
THANKS GOD that Peter Dinklage is such a great actor and they at least didn't make him an utter stupid and he actually can talk.


That scene with him, Bronn and all the books was kind of "Hopeless college student the night before the big test"
You're like a one ranger army comin' at me...
anomalopidae
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Slovenia549 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-22 20:05:52
May 22 2012 19:56 GMT
#2509
On May 23 2012 04:42 adiga wrote:
As some one who really loved Tyrion while reading the books, I really really really really really hate what are they doing with his character!
The Tyrion in the show is another hand of the king nothing special, How does he want to continue being the hand of the king without doing anything but bitch around Joffrey and slap him from time to time? I feel like he doesn't do anything. Tell me Varis how is he a good hand? really?
They robbed him from all the actions he did which bought my love and appreciation to him.
THANKS GOD that Peter Dinklage is such a great actor and they at least didn't make him an utter stupid and he actually can talk.


can you tell me which actions do you mean? apart from the chain one
screwing shae in the dungeons?
going to screw shae through brothel?
hating the singer that was with shae?
Imagine a place where the Alps meet the Mediterranean, where you can pick autumn fruits in the morning, bathe in the Adriatic in the afternoon, and go night skiing in the evening…It’s Slovenia!
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
May 22 2012 21:03 GMT
#2510
On May 23 2012 04:56 anomalopidae wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2012 04:42 adiga wrote:
As some one who really loved Tyrion while reading the books, I really really really really really hate what are they doing with his character!
The Tyrion in the show is another hand of the king nothing special, How does he want to continue being the hand of the king without doing anything but bitch around Joffrey and slap him from time to time? I feel like he doesn't do anything. Tell me Varis how is he a good hand? really?
They robbed him from all the actions he did which bought my love and appreciation to him.
THANKS GOD that Peter Dinklage is such a great actor and they at least didn't make him an utter stupid and he actually can talk.


can you tell me which actions do you mean? apart from the chain one

The chain.
The wildfire (and fishing boats).
Training the soldiers to use the wildfire (throwing around the empty pots).
Having Bronn hire and oversee a ton of sellswords.
The Three Whores.
Dealing with the Antler Men.
Riding out to save the Mud Gate.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
Maginor
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway505 Posts
May 22 2012 21:06 GMT
#2511
On May 23 2012 04:56 anomalopidae wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2012 04:42 adiga wrote:
As some one who really loved Tyrion while reading the books, I really really really really really hate what are they doing with his character!
The Tyrion in the show is another hand of the king nothing special, How does he want to continue being the hand of the king without doing anything but bitch around Joffrey and slap him from time to time? I feel like he doesn't do anything. Tell me Varis how is he a good hand? really?
They robbed him from all the actions he did which bought my love and appreciation to him.
THANKS GOD that Peter Dinklage is such a great actor and they at least didn't make him an utter stupid and he actually can talk.


can you tell me which actions do you mean? apart from the chain one
screwing shae in the dungeons?
going to screw shae through brothel?
hating the singer that was with shae?


That thing with the singer was in book 3 any way.
Conti
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2516 Posts
May 22 2012 21:06 GMT
#2512
On May 23 2012 06:03 moopie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2012 04:56 anomalopidae wrote:
On May 23 2012 04:42 adiga wrote:
As some one who really loved Tyrion while reading the books, I really really really really really hate what are they doing with his character!
The Tyrion in the show is another hand of the king nothing special, How does he want to continue being the hand of the king without doing anything but bitch around Joffrey and slap him from time to time? I feel like he doesn't do anything. Tell me Varis how is he a good hand? really?
They robbed him from all the actions he did which bought my love and appreciation to him.
THANKS GOD that Peter Dinklage is such a great actor and they at least didn't make him an utter stupid and he actually can talk.


can you tell me which actions do you mean? apart from the chain one

The chain.
The wildfire (and fishing boats).
Training the soldiers to use the wildfire (throwing around the empty pots).
Having Bronn hire and oversee a ton of sellswords.
The Three Whores.
Dealing with the Antler Men.
Riding out to save the Mud Gate.

You do realize that there is simply not enough time in the show to show us all these things, right?
Attican
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark531 Posts
May 22 2012 21:13 GMT
#2513
On May 23 2012 06:06 Conti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2012 06:03 moopie wrote:
On May 23 2012 04:56 anomalopidae wrote:
On May 23 2012 04:42 adiga wrote:
As some one who really loved Tyrion while reading the books, I really really really really really hate what are they doing with his character!
The Tyrion in the show is another hand of the king nothing special, How does he want to continue being the hand of the king without doing anything but bitch around Joffrey and slap him from time to time? I feel like he doesn't do anything. Tell me Varis how is he a good hand? really?
They robbed him from all the actions he did which bought my love and appreciation to him.
THANKS GOD that Peter Dinklage is such a great actor and they at least didn't make him an utter stupid and he actually can talk.


can you tell me which actions do you mean? apart from the chain one

The chain.
The wildfire (and fishing boats).
Training the soldiers to use the wildfire (throwing around the empty pots).
Having Bronn hire and oversee a ton of sellswords.
The Three Whores.
Dealing with the Antler Men.
Riding out to save the Mud Gate.

You do realize that there is simply not enough time in the show to show us all these things, right?

HBO really ought to double the budget for Game of Thrones and add something like 5 episodes to each season, I think there would be drastically less to complain about in this thread if that were to occur. Does anyone have any idea of about how large the Game of Thrones budget is btw? I've thought about this quite often.
Abysus
Profile Joined November 2010
United States67 Posts
May 22 2012 21:45 GMT
#2514
On May 23 2012 06:13 Attican wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2012 06:06 Conti wrote:
On May 23 2012 06:03 moopie wrote:
On May 23 2012 04:56 anomalopidae wrote:
On May 23 2012 04:42 adiga wrote:
As some one who really loved Tyrion while reading the books, I really really really really really hate what are they doing with his character!
The Tyrion in the show is another hand of the king nothing special, How does he want to continue being the hand of the king without doing anything but bitch around Joffrey and slap him from time to time? I feel like he doesn't do anything. Tell me Varis how is he a good hand? really?
They robbed him from all the actions he did which bought my love and appreciation to him.
THANKS GOD that Peter Dinklage is such a great actor and they at least didn't make him an utter stupid and he actually can talk.


can you tell me which actions do you mean? apart from the chain one

The chain.
The wildfire (and fishing boats).
Training the soldiers to use the wildfire (throwing around the empty pots).
Having Bronn hire and oversee a ton of sellswords.
The Three Whores.
Dealing with the Antler Men.
Riding out to save the Mud Gate.

You do realize that there is simply not enough time in the show to show us all these things, right?

HBO really ought to double the budget for Game of Thrones and add something like 5 episodes to each season, I think there would be drastically less to complain about in this thread if that were to occur. Does anyone have any idea of about how large the Game of Thrones budget is btw? I've thought about this quite often.


50-60 Million for season 1 and they got a 15% increase for s2 or so is the reports. Although for season 2 they rebuilt alot of sets and relocated where they were shooting, so going into s3 money should be spent a bit more effeciently.
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
May 22 2012 22:14 GMT
#2515
On May 23 2012 06:06 Conti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2012 06:03 moopie wrote:
On May 23 2012 04:56 anomalopidae wrote:
On May 23 2012 04:42 adiga wrote:
As some one who really loved Tyrion while reading the books, I really really really really really hate what are they doing with his character!
The Tyrion in the show is another hand of the king nothing special, How does he want to continue being the hand of the king without doing anything but bitch around Joffrey and slap him from time to time? I feel like he doesn't do anything. Tell me Varis how is he a good hand? really?
They robbed him from all the actions he did which bought my love and appreciation to him.
THANKS GOD that Peter Dinklage is such a great actor and they at least didn't make him an utter stupid and he actually can talk.


can you tell me which actions do you mean? apart from the chain one

The chain.
The wildfire (and fishing boats).
Training the soldiers to use the wildfire (throwing around the empty pots).
Having Bronn hire and oversee a ton of sellswords.
The Three Whores.
Dealing with the Antler Men.
Riding out to save the Mud Gate.

You do realize that there is simply not enough time in the show to show us all these things, right?

I didn't say they needed to capture all of that in the TV show, I was replying to anomalopidae who asked what actions Tyrion did that made his actions as Hand matter for the defense of the city.

In the show, Bronn is the commander of the city watch, so he's not taking care of hiring sellswords on Tyrion's orders. The show sort of got rid of the hilltribes (we only saw them for a couple scenes all season). The show gave the wildfire idea to Cersei instead of Tyrion, so again its not his genius of orchestrating this plan.

Its fine to cut some things for size, but they did make his actions as hand for the defense of the city pretty insignificant.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
anomalopidae
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Slovenia549 Posts
May 22 2012 22:16 GMT
#2516
On May 23 2012 07:14 moopie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2012 06:06 Conti wrote:
On May 23 2012 06:03 moopie wrote:
On May 23 2012 04:56 anomalopidae wrote:
On May 23 2012 04:42 adiga wrote:
As some one who really loved Tyrion while reading the books, I really really really really really hate what are they doing with his character!
The Tyrion in the show is another hand of the king nothing special, How does he want to continue being the hand of the king without doing anything but bitch around Joffrey and slap him from time to time? I feel like he doesn't do anything. Tell me Varis how is he a good hand? really?
They robbed him from all the actions he did which bought my love and appreciation to him.
THANKS GOD that Peter Dinklage is such a great actor and they at least didn't make him an utter stupid and he actually can talk.


can you tell me which actions do you mean? apart from the chain one

The chain.
The wildfire (and fishing boats).
Training the soldiers to use the wildfire (throwing around the empty pots).
Having Bronn hire and oversee a ton of sellswords.
The Three Whores.
Dealing with the Antler Men.
Riding out to save the Mud Gate.

You do realize that there is simply not enough time in the show to show us all these things, right?

I didn't say they needed to capture all of that in the TV show, I was replying to anomalopidae who asked what actions Tyrion did that made his actions as Hand matter for the defense of the city.

In the show, Bronn is the commander of the city watch, so he's not taking care of hiring sellswords on Tyrion's orders. The show sort of got rid of the hilltribes (we only saw them for a couple scenes all season). The show gave the wildfire idea to Cersei instead of Tyrion, so again its not his genius of orchestrating this plan.

Its fine to cut some things for size, but they did make his actions as hand for the defense of the city pretty insignificant.


well, if you remember his father Tywin saw everything he did as insignificant anyway, I think he gave the credit for wildfire idea to Cersei as well, or at least the application of it
in the end all tyrion did was ride out and get himself hit in the head when you hear his father say it
Imagine a place where the Alps meet the Mediterranean, where you can pick autumn fruits in the morning, bathe in the Adriatic in the afternoon, and go night skiing in the evening…It’s Slovenia!
Conti
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2516 Posts
May 22 2012 22:21 GMT
#2517
On May 23 2012 07:14 moopie wrote:
In the show, Bronn is the commander of the city watch, so he's not taking care of hiring sellswords on Tyrion's orders. The show sort of got rid of the hilltribes (we only saw them for a couple scenes all season). The show gave the wildfire idea to Cersei instead of Tyrion, so again its not his genius of orchestrating this plan.

Um...
http://towerofthehand.com/books/102/021/index.html:
"Wisdom Malliard believes that the guild will be able to provide the full order of 10,000 jars that were promised to Cersei"
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
May 22 2012 22:31 GMT
#2518
My bad then, I didn't recall that Cersei was mentioned with it before Tyrion.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
May 23 2012 00:42 GMT
#2519
I've just finished watching the TV series so far. Though I felt season 1 didn't explore some things enough (Daenerys' caracter growth and Bran's dreams, to name a few), it felt complete and really enjoyed it.

Season 2 feels a bit lacking though ... I know they had to exclude even more stuff (from a slightly bigger book) to include the Robb romance, but it felt like they are changing and excluding too much. I especially missed Blackfish's involvement in the war (it would have been awesome to see a scene of his cavalry cutting down outriders before the Robb assault), Tyrion's work as hand and Sansa and the Hound's "friendship" (if they're gonna do the part in which he appears to take Sansa away during the battle of Blackwater, they should have at least built it up a little bit).
Bora Pain minha porra!
Maginor
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway505 Posts
May 23 2012 10:33 GMT
#2520
On May 23 2012 06:13 Attican wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2012 06:06 Conti wrote:
On May 23 2012 06:03 moopie wrote:
On May 23 2012 04:56 anomalopidae wrote:
On May 23 2012 04:42 adiga wrote:
As some one who really loved Tyrion while reading the books, I really really really really really hate what are they doing with his character!
The Tyrion in the show is another hand of the king nothing special, How does he want to continue being the hand of the king without doing anything but bitch around Joffrey and slap him from time to time? I feel like he doesn't do anything. Tell me Varis how is he a good hand? really?
They robbed him from all the actions he did which bought my love and appreciation to him.
THANKS GOD that Peter Dinklage is such a great actor and they at least didn't make him an utter stupid and he actually can talk.


can you tell me which actions do you mean? apart from the chain one

The chain.
The wildfire (and fishing boats).
Training the soldiers to use the wildfire (throwing around the empty pots).
Having Bronn hire and oversee a ton of sellswords.
The Three Whores.
Dealing with the Antler Men.
Riding out to save the Mud Gate.

You do realize that there is simply not enough time in the show to show us all these things, right?

HBO really ought to double the budget for Game of Thrones and add something like 5 episodes to each season, I think there would be drastically less to complain about in this thread if that were to occur. Does anyone have any idea of about how large the Game of Thrones budget is btw? I've thought about this quite often.


It's not just a budget issue. They are simply not able to produce more than 10 episodes in a year without dropping the quality drastically.
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