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SPOILER WARNING If you only watch the show, this thread will spoil you of future events in HBO's Game of Thrones. Thread contains discussion of all books of the series A Song of Ice and Fire
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Attican
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark531 Posts
May 23 2012 13:29 GMT
#2521
On May 23 2012 19:33 Maginor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2012 06:13 Attican wrote:
On May 23 2012 06:06 Conti wrote:
On May 23 2012 06:03 moopie wrote:
On May 23 2012 04:56 anomalopidae wrote:
On May 23 2012 04:42 adiga wrote:
As some one who really loved Tyrion while reading the books, I really really really really really hate what are they doing with his character!
The Tyrion in the show is another hand of the king nothing special, How does he want to continue being the hand of the king without doing anything but bitch around Joffrey and slap him from time to time? I feel like he doesn't do anything. Tell me Varis how is he a good hand? really?
They robbed him from all the actions he did which bought my love and appreciation to him.
THANKS GOD that Peter Dinklage is such a great actor and they at least didn't make him an utter stupid and he actually can talk.


can you tell me which actions do you mean? apart from the chain one

The chain.
The wildfire (and fishing boats).
Training the soldiers to use the wildfire (throwing around the empty pots).
Having Bronn hire and oversee a ton of sellswords.
The Three Whores.
Dealing with the Antler Men.
Riding out to save the Mud Gate.

You do realize that there is simply not enough time in the show to show us all these things, right?

HBO really ought to double the budget for Game of Thrones and add something like 5 episodes to each season, I think there would be drastically less to complain about in this thread if that were to occur. Does anyone have any idea of about how large the Game of Thrones budget is btw? I've thought about this quite often.


It's not just a budget issue. They are simply not able to produce more than 10 episodes in a year without dropping the quality drastically.

Do you know how long it took them to film seasons 1 and 2?
adiga
Profile Joined July 2011
495 Posts
May 23 2012 14:24 GMT
#2522
On May 23 2012 06:06 Conti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2012 06:03 moopie wrote:
On May 23 2012 04:56 anomalopidae wrote:
On May 23 2012 04:42 adiga wrote:
As some one who really loved Tyrion while reading the books, I really really really really really hate what are they doing with his character!
The Tyrion in the show is another hand of the king nothing special, How does he want to continue being the hand of the king without doing anything but bitch around Joffrey and slap him from time to time? I feel like he doesn't do anything. Tell me Varis how is he a good hand? really?
They robbed him from all the actions he did which bought my love and appreciation to him.
THANKS GOD that Peter Dinklage is such a great actor and they at least didn't make him an utter stupid and he actually can talk.


can you tell me which actions do you mean? apart from the chain one

The chain.
The wildfire (and fishing boats).
Training the soldiers to use the wildfire (throwing around the empty pots).
Having Bronn hire and oversee a ton of sellswords.
The Three Whores.
Dealing with the Antler Men.
Riding out to save the Mud Gate.

You do realize that there is simply not enough time in the show to show us all these things, right?


+It was Tyrion who came up with the idea to wed Joffrey to Margaery.

It's not about having enough time to show everything(and they do, the scene with Tyrion and Bronn was ok last episode but they could have add something important to it other than the books) that Tyrion did in the books, It's about how they show Tyrions character at the TV show. Tyrion at the TV shows is a weak imp who only have a big mouth, nothing else, while at the books Tyrion "inherited" his fathers wisdom and cunning. And that's the only reason he manged to survive all his life.
take the Eyrie incident for example and tell me if it's the same Tyrion now that there in this season?
The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago. The second best time is now.
Conti
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2516 Posts
May 24 2012 23:58 GMT
#2523
Stolen from the other thread:
On May 25 2012 08:24 BroOd wrote:
Didn't see this posted yet. A solid, somber take on the song:

The National - The Rains of Castamere

Holy crap. This is so. damn. good.
happyness
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2400 Posts
May 27 2012 00:09 GMT
#2524
I really hope they get the Catelyn and Robb stories right. First off, it seems like Catelyn might release Jaime right away, which would be out of character because in the books she was driven to release Jaime only after she heard that Bran and Rickon were killed. And then with Robb he only fell in love with the girl after he was injured and taken care of her, so because of the circumstance he broke his vow.

In short, Robb and Catelyn were driven to do stupid things because of extreme circumstances, and I have a feeling that may not happen with the show


Argh, looks like my fear came to be true. REALLY hate the change of Cat randomly letting Jaime go(as opposed to doing it because she thinks her sons died) and Robb deciding to put a guard on her.

I really don't mind small changes or changing the plot slightly for convenience. But when you change a big part of the plot and fundamentally change the characters, it really irks me.

Meh, the show hasn't been that great the past few episodes. Hopefully they redeem themselves with the next two.
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
May 27 2012 00:52 GMT
#2525
On May 25 2012 08:58 Conti wrote:
Stolen from the other thread:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2012 08:24 BroOd wrote:
Didn't see this posted yet. A solid, somber take on the song:

The National - The Rains of Castamere

Holy crap. This is so. damn. good.

Actually it is pretty bad. Bad voice, bad melody.
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
May 27 2012 03:27 GMT
#2526
On May 27 2012 09:09 happyness wrote:
Show nested quote +
I really hope they get the Catelyn and Robb stories right. First off, it seems like Catelyn might release Jaime right away, which would be out of character because in the books she was driven to release Jaime only after she heard that Bran and Rickon were killed. And then with Robb he only fell in love with the girl after he was injured and taken care of her, so because of the circumstance he broke his vow.

In short, Robb and Catelyn were driven to do stupid things because of extreme circumstances, and I have a feeling that may not happen with the show


Argh, looks like my fear came to be true. REALLY hate the change of Cat randomly letting Jaime go(as opposed to doing it because she thinks her sons died) and Robb deciding to put a guard on her.

I really don't mind small changes or changing the plot slightly for convenience. But when you change a big part of the plot and fundamentally change the characters, it really irks me.

Meh, the show hasn't been that great the past few episodes. Hopefully they redeem themselves with the next two.

I haven't had a problem with most changes but this and the volantis girl suck.
Conti
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2516 Posts
May 27 2012 19:31 GMT
#2527
On May 27 2012 09:52 -Archangel- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2012 08:58 Conti wrote:
Stolen from the other thread:
On May 25 2012 08:24 BroOd wrote:
Didn't see this posted yet. A solid, somber take on the song:

The National - The Rains of Castamere

Holy crap. This is so. damn. good.

Actually it is pretty bad. Bad voice, bad melody.

I love how you hate absolutely everything to do with the show.
Maginor
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway505 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-27 19:48:29
May 27 2012 19:47 GMT
#2528
On May 23 2012 22:29 Attican wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2012 19:33 Maginor wrote:
On May 23 2012 06:13 Attican wrote:
On May 23 2012 06:06 Conti wrote:
On May 23 2012 06:03 moopie wrote:
On May 23 2012 04:56 anomalopidae wrote:
On May 23 2012 04:42 adiga wrote:
As some one who really loved Tyrion while reading the books, I really really really really really hate what are they doing with his character!
The Tyrion in the show is another hand of the king nothing special, How does he want to continue being the hand of the king without doing anything but bitch around Joffrey and slap him from time to time? I feel like he doesn't do anything. Tell me Varis how is he a good hand? really?
They robbed him from all the actions he did which bought my love and appreciation to him.
THANKS GOD that Peter Dinklage is such a great actor and they at least didn't make him an utter stupid and he actually can talk.


can you tell me which actions do you mean? apart from the chain one

The chain.
The wildfire (and fishing boats).
Training the soldiers to use the wildfire (throwing around the empty pots).
Having Bronn hire and oversee a ton of sellswords.
The Three Whores.
Dealing with the Antler Men.
Riding out to save the Mud Gate.

You do realize that there is simply not enough time in the show to show us all these things, right?

HBO really ought to double the budget for Game of Thrones and add something like 5 episodes to each season, I think there would be drastically less to complain about in this thread if that were to occur. Does anyone have any idea of about how large the Game of Thrones budget is btw? I've thought about this quite often.


It's not just a budget issue. They are simply not able to produce more than 10 episodes in a year without dropping the quality drastically.

Do you know how long it took them to film seasons 1 and 2?


Around 5 months for each season, but there may have been some dead time in between shooting at each location (The Ireland and Croatia stuff was in mid-late summer, but Iceland was in November). But they also spend a lot of time writing, casting new actors, making sets and costumes, as well as all the post production (editing/compositing, cgi, music).
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
May 27 2012 20:00 GMT
#2529
On May 23 2012 06:06 Conti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2012 06:03 moopie wrote:
On May 23 2012 04:56 anomalopidae wrote:
On May 23 2012 04:42 adiga wrote:
As some one who really loved Tyrion while reading the books, I really really really really really hate what are they doing with his character!
The Tyrion in the show is another hand of the king nothing special, How does he want to continue being the hand of the king without doing anything but bitch around Joffrey and slap him from time to time? I feel like he doesn't do anything. Tell me Varis how is he a good hand? really?
They robbed him from all the actions he did which bought my love and appreciation to him.
THANKS GOD that Peter Dinklage is such a great actor and they at least didn't make him an utter stupid and he actually can talk.


can you tell me which actions do you mean? apart from the chain one

The chain.
The wildfire (and fishing boats).
Training the soldiers to use the wildfire (throwing around the empty pots).
Having Bronn hire and oversee a ton of sellswords.
The Three Whores.
Dealing with the Antler Men.
Riding out to save the Mud Gate.

You do realize that there is simply not enough time in the show to show us all these things, right?


The chain was a big enough part of his character that time should have been made for it - a quick scene with the smiths four episodes back, and they wouldn't need to show it any more until the blackwater. The training of the sellswords could have been slipped in with any of his other conversations with Bronn, but I don't think that part is so important. The wildfire should have been slipped in when he was speaking with the alchemist - "How dangerous is the substance, have so many thousand empty jars sent up to the walls, I want the men trained, You'll no longer be making wildfire for my sister, you will be making it for me." instead of just doing that last line.

I had forgotten about the antler men until just now - but I'm not sure if it's the sort of thing you would really "get" in a TV show. Still could have been brought up in one of the court scenes though, or perhaps just an individual antler man being delt with on one of the trips through the city. It's certainly doable to include some of the finer points of the character with just a few seconds here, few seconds there... but the writers would have to WANT to do that with him, and it looks like they're taking the character in another direction.


as far as that Rains of Castamere clip.... Chills and chills and chills. That's all,
Flik
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada256 Posts
May 27 2012 22:18 GMT
#2530
They didn't have the budget to do the Battle of the Blackwater scene the way everyone wanted. Im guessing we aren't going to see ships burning at all. It'll probably be some people getting the wild fire thrown at them from the top of the walls with a bit of fighting going on. So I'm thinking these are the reasons they didn't have Tyrion build the chain. They probably could have had him do a little more though for preparation, but in the case of viewers that haven't read the book, it doesn't really matter. The outcome will be the same.

Im excited for the rest of the episode. GRRM wrote this one and Im interested to see if its noticeable. Im hoping for some more Jamie/Brienne and some Jon Snow. Im wondering if they are going to do the House of the Undying tonight or in the last episode. Going to be interesting to see how they wrap up the season.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43526 Posts
May 27 2012 22:24 GMT
#2531
Think it's possible they took the episode they thought people would be most pissed off about being different from the book (due to budget concerns or whatever) and then deliberately handed it off to GRRM to write, while imposing those same limitations on him. Makes it somewhat harder to bitch about it being different if he wrote it. There again, maybe I'm a cynic.
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mmp
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2130 Posts
May 27 2012 22:37 GMT
#2532
On May 28 2012 07:18 Flik wrote:
They didn't have the budget to do the Battle of the Blackwater scene the way everyone wanted. Im guessing we aren't going to see ships burning at all. It'll probably be some people getting the wild fire thrown at them from the top of the walls with a bit of fighting going on. So I'm thinking these are the reasons they didn't have Tyrion build the chain. They probably could have had him do a little more though for preparation, but in the case of viewers that haven't read the book, it doesn't really matter. The outcome will be the same.

Im excited for the rest of the episode. GRRM wrote this one and Im interested to see if its noticeable. Im hoping for some more Jamie/Brienne and some Jon Snow. Im wondering if they are going to do the House of the Undying tonight or in the last episode. Going to be interesting to see how they wrap up the season.

I think it'll be a good episode. It's penultimate in the season, so it better be awesome.
Also, GRRM wrote it, so I'm sure it'll be fine.
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Albrithe
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada187 Posts
May 28 2012 02:14 GMT
#2533
On May 28 2012 07:18 Flik wrote:
They didn't have the budget to do the Battle of the Blackwater scene the way everyone wanted. Im guessing we aren't going to see ships burning at all. It'll probably be some people getting the wild fire thrown at them from the top of the walls with a bit of fighting going on. So I'm thinking these are the reasons they didn't have Tyrion build the chain. They probably could have had him do a little more though for preparation, but in the case of viewers that haven't read the book, it doesn't really matter. The outcome will be the same.

Im excited for the rest of the episode. GRRM wrote this one and Im interested to see if its noticeable. Im hoping for some more Jamie/Brienne and some Jon Snow. Im wondering if they are going to do the House of the Undying tonight or in the last episode. Going to be interesting to see how they wrap up the season.

No offence to you but its funny to read this post after just having watched the latest episode. I'm uncertain whether you'll be happy or upset with how wrong your post is, though I'm looking forward to finding out
"You don't need a condom... to get up on 'dem..." -Zach Weiner
stevarius
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1394 Posts
May 28 2012 02:25 GMT
#2534
I'm kind of disappointed that all we got to see Tyrion do was chop off some guys leg.

Fuck the books, apparently.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
InToTheWannaB
Profile Joined September 2002
United States4770 Posts
May 28 2012 02:36 GMT
#2535
On May 28 2012 11:25 stevarius wrote:
I'm kind of disappointed that all we got to see Tyrion do was chop off some guys leg.

Fuck the books, apparently.

I kinda like the fact they made tyrion not fight much. Honestly he kicks way to much butt in the book for my taste. I'm dissapointed he has a nose still however.
When the spirit is not altogether slain, great loss teaches men and women to desire greatly, both for themselves and for others.
Microchaton
Profile Joined March 2011
France342 Posts
May 28 2012 02:40 GMT
#2536
On May 28 2012 11:25 stevarius wrote:
I'm kind of disappointed that all we got to see Tyrion do was chop off some guys leg.

Fuck the books, apparently.


Really, that's your reaction to this episode ? You realize GRRM wrote it entirely ?
I swear, some people -.-
Stormy
Phtes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States370 Posts
May 28 2012 02:43 GMT
#2537
On May 28 2012 11:36 InToTheWannaB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2012 11:25 stevarius wrote:
I'm kind of disappointed that all we got to see Tyrion do was chop off some guys leg.

Fuck the books, apparently.

I kinda like the fact they made tyrion not fight much. Honestly he kicks way to much butt in the book for my taste. I'm dissapointed he has a nose still however.


Of all the scenes in that episode every time they showed his face after being cut I cringed, just the fact that it was like a slice through just the skin was ughhh I was expecting it to like peel off 0.0
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Drowsy
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States4876 Posts
May 28 2012 04:27 GMT
#2538
This one was fucking awesome, second only to episode 3.


Are they actually going to show the attack on the fist of the first men or is that going to be the first episode of season 3?
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Sagamantha
Profile Joined September 2011
United States339 Posts
May 28 2012 04:30 GMT
#2539
Depressing to think there are only 10 episodes in a season. I do miss the character development that the books lend, but the simplicity at time (of the show) [if you can call it simple] is relieving! It means I can relax and enjoy it without over analyzing it.
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moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-28 05:10:43
May 28 2012 04:37 GMT
#2540
This episode was well done. The sortie outside the mudgate felt a bit weak, but overall a good episode. It definitely showed that they saved a huge portion of the budget to this episode.

Thank god GRRM wrote this episode. After so many huge deviations from the book this season it was nice to stay on target.

edit: I didn't mind Tyrion's nose. Figured they would just disfigure him with scars. Having to CGI his nose off in every scene he's in for the remaining books is costly and unnecessary. I thought they'd have the slash be across his face though, something big (to make him "uglier").

Oh and I loved that they made Stannis a total badass in that fight.
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