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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
On October 30 2012 06:56 Blisse wrote: The tea is explained in the Talking Dead afterwards; it's just a homage to one of the writers who enjoys drinking tea a lot. Ah... I guess one of the writers must like terrible writing and the entire series is an homage to them then... | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On October 30 2012 06:40 p4NDemik wrote: Honestly I just thought it was horrible acting/writing. I got the impression they were presenting him as this nerdy pseudo-scientist like character that is useful to the governor, but who is scared of what he (or anyone else) is capable of in this post-apocalyptic world. They sort of show him looking on disapprovingly after the gov returns with the national guard's vehicles and weaponry. He's an intellectual type character who is privy to more information than the average town-goer and doesn't like the men he works for. I don't think there's anything in the tea, the writers just want to make this character look like a complete pussy nerd stereotype. Which is disappointing. But I could be wrong. Really? I loved that scene because the guy was so utterly and absolutely creepy out of nowhere. I do hope they intended things to be that way. >.> | ||
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
On October 30 2012 04:33 Quenchiest wrote: It's one of those times I'm glad the show isn't just a re-telling of the comic book series. I know the characters, but I still don't really know what's going to happen. The base is the same, but the events are mostly completely different. Still keeps me eager to see where things are going. Governer likely isn't going to be as twisted as his comic book counterpart, but I'm alright with that. I think this is one of the things that separates TV from comics, and is kind of why the TV show is better -- comic book villains just aren't plausible. They rarely ever make sense. And The Walking Dead comics have some seriously comic-y comic book villains. | ||
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N.geNuity
United States5112 Posts
note I never read the comics though, but at least characters are being much more competent this season (for whatever their motivations, be it psychotic or whatnot). | ||
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AgentChaos
United Kingdom4569 Posts
is t-dog suppose the be the replacement for tyrese from the comic or that big black prisoner? none of them are as badass as my tyrese T_T | ||
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Al Bundy
7257 Posts
Anyway this episode was definitely entertaining to me, mostly because it's reminiscent of DayZ  The Heli crash, groups driving around and killing each other,... Good times.Also what's up with the philosophical scientist? I have a feeling he's not going to survive much longer. | ||
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FeUerFlieGe
United States1193 Posts
On October 30 2012 00:44 Roybs wrote: I might look stupid on this one, but + Show Spoiler + Why did the governer went into that little room with the heads from people on water? I don't get it. And no I didn't read the books but I am interested in why they were there and why he looked at them at that way. I thought it was his family because he looked at the photo first and then got into the room so I expected it to be his Wife and daughter. It's because he's fucking insane. | ||
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
On October 30 2012 09:17 AgentChaos wrote: + Show Spoiler + is t-dog suppose the be the replacement for tyrese from the comic or that big black prisoner? none of them are as badass as my tyrese T_T Been established 100x over in this thread that T-dog was just the token black man and Daryl = Tyrese. The similarities between the two are very clear. | ||
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bertu
Brazil871 Posts
On October 30 2012 06:12 Dosey wrote: You couldn't be more wrong. Zombies are predictable, slow, and easy to kill. They only pose a threat in large overwhelming numbers or the dead of night. Humans on the other hand... selfish, greedy, intelligent, and unpredictable. I would never trust a single human at first sight in a post-apocalyptic world. Ever. I would do exactly what Michonne did. Hide and observe, and if approached directly, the person would be subdued immediately. You'd also think that after surviving for so long in a post-apocalyptic world, the soldiers would be more on edge... Especially with their leader gone. It looked more like they were just on a normal modern day detail with no real threats. That entire scene was terrible writing imo. Also hate how pathetic they are making Andrea's character. I really hope they aren't trying to turn her into Lilly Caul. They were living in a bubble during all the apocalypse, maybe that's why they let their guards down. Everybody just collaborated and got together in the base. They just didn't know how the rest of the world had become (not the zombies, but everyday people turning into selfish, merciless assassins). Not my favorite scene either, but their naive behavior made sense given the background. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
They cannot live forever in their little town of 74 people. They will gradually need to expand to secure more resources (even if only for farmland). A small group of trained soldiers would be more use than trouble. Killing the soldiers shows that if the governor wants to be king then it is the king of nothing. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On October 30 2012 10:15 hzflank wrote: I dont agree with the rationalisation of why the governor killed the soldiers. I think it can be explained by simply saying that the governor is insane. They cannot live forever in their little town of 74 people. They will gradually need to expand to secure more resources (even if only for farmland). A small group of trained soldiers would be more use than trouble. Killing the soldiers shows that if the governor wants to be king then it is the king of nothing. On one hand, getting resources without adding more people is better than resources but more mouths to feed. Also, a military group may challenge his authority, and he's a crazy person who needs control to feel better about himself (or so I gather from him). But yeah, if he was in his right mind, he'd obviously take them with, but that dude is nutso like a squirrel's ballsack. | ||
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Hyperbola
United States2555 Posts
On October 30 2012 10:15 hzflank wrote: I dont agree with the rationalisation of why the governor killed the soldiers. I think it can be explained by simply saying that the governor is insane. They cannot live forever in their little town of 74 people. They will gradually need to expand to secure more resources (even if only for farmland). A small group of trained soldiers would be more use than trouble. Killing the soldiers shows that if the governor wants to be king then it is the king of nothing. Well the governor operates on a strict loyalty system. He makes himself an icon by having everyone refer to him as a title and maintains a sort of tribal rule where he and his loyal circle of warriors manage everything while the women and children do all of the other work. If he was to recruit these soldiers, not only would the locus of power be damaged due to past loyalties (their squadron) but also his tight-knit community would be threatened by an enemy that is equal in firepower and inside his walls. If he simply found 2 guys with no commander he probably would have taken them in under his leadership; however, ~5 guys with a commander would be very hard to deal with. | ||
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
On October 30 2012 10:05 DontGiveUp wrote: They were living in a bubble during all the apocalypse, maybe that's why they let their guards down. Everybody just collaborated and got together in the base. They just didn't know how the rest of the world had become (not the zombies, but everyday people turning into selfish, merciless assassins). Not my favorite scene either, but their naive behavior made sense given the background. How do you know what their background was? It never went into full detail, all that was said was that they had a post and protected it and suddenly one got inside and all hell broke loose. Aside from that, we know nothing. Anyway, they were obviously cutthroat enough to completely abandon every civilian to save their own hides. People willing to do that to those they have been charged with protecting obviously know the lengths others will go for self preservation in a post-apocalyptic world. Their naivete doesn't fit here, and that is why the writing is bad. | ||
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Meatex
Australia285 Posts
Killing the soldiers made no sense and I'm not even sure the supplies they secured exceeded the supplies used to secure the new ones. The governor is always conserve your ammo yet he was pissing away all that ammunition to kill soldiers that would have been more use to him alive And even if you say he couldn't take a risk on trusting them then why did he let the girls live? Hopefully future episodes do a better job of showing some, even twisted, logic on the part of the governor as currently that whole side story makes zero sense even in this worlds context | ||
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NPF
Canada1635 Posts
I think he keeps the heads since he thinks the Zombies have flicker of who they used to be. So he might justify it as not killing them, just making them immortal for some reason. Also since the Governor didn't say his name I'm guessing he's from out of town, which makes him shacking up with his daughter more likely. | ||
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FeUerFlieGe
United States1193 Posts
On October 30 2012 10:50 Meatex wrote: Yeah this latest episode was the first that I didn't like significant portions of I think Killing the soldiers made no sense and I'm not even sure the supplies they secured exceeded the supplies used to secure the new ones. The governor is always conserve your ammo yet he was pissing away all that ammunition to kill soldiers that would have been more use to him alive And even if you say he couldn't take a risk on trusting them then why did he let the girls live? Hopefully future episodes do a better job of showing some, even twisted, logic on the part of the governor as currently that whole side story makes zero sense even in this worlds context I was confused as to why he killed the soldiers until he mentioned something about Uncle Sam. It was at that point I realized that the US soldiers were a threat to him, since they represent a higher authority. Think about it. These are soldiers, and their duty is to protect and serve under the United States. They aren't going to be giving up their weapons, and no doubt they may try to take authority into their own hands. The governor doesn't want anyone who can possibly challenge his power. That's why he doesn't give outsiders weapons. | ||
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Talack
Canada2742 Posts
On October 30 2012 10:59 NPF wrote: Speaking of the crazy Governor anyone else get the idea that the girl he had in his bed was his daugther. I mean, who else nails a chick and when she is still naked in his bed, goes and looks at a photo of his family with a daugther that looks like a younger version of the girl he knocked up. Then go and watch dead heads. I think he keeps the heads since he thinks the Zombies have flicker of who they used to be. So he might justify it as not killing them, just making them immortal for some reason. Also since the Governor didn't say his name I'm guessing he's from out of town, which makes him shacking up with his daughter more likely. what lol | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
Comic Spoilers: + Show Spoiler + In the comics, the Governer keeps his zombified daughter chained up in his room where he does... very un-father-like things with her. Dude's psychotic, people are trying to find some sort of connection now. | ||
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NPF
Canada1635 Posts
I mean I just saw the ressemblance between + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/sD3Rb.jpg) and + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/SihIe.jpg) Plus he's crazy, plus I watch Dexter and I agree with Angel Batista in Dexter. | ||
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
On October 30 2012 11:18 Requizen wrote: Comic Spoilers: + Show Spoiler + In the comics, the Governer keeps his zombified daughter chained up in his room where he does... very un-father-like things with her. Dude's psychotic, people are trying to find some sort of connection now. + Show Spoiler + Niece, not daughter. | ||
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