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On October 29 2012 15:25 blug wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2012 15:19 p4NDemik wrote:
Last thing - how does an outfit of trained soldiers who have survived months in the zombie apocalypse get caught so totally unaware of their surroundings? These are the people most likely to be keeping a constant watch of their surroundings, to be honed in and aware of when they are being followed or watched. Even if you were to completely surprise them, on what planet do they get slaughtered without dishing out any kind of resistance. It was like lambs to the slaughter in that scene. I can understand the possibility of being ambushed like that, you don't exactly see people as a threat in a zombie apocalypse. You try to survive against the Walkers, not people themselves. It may of looked kind of dumb the fact that they didn't fire back with resistance, but you must remember that these guys were mostly kids and probably were scared shitless when they heard gun fire. Don't get me wrong, I've never been fired upon with real live ammo, however I have been paint balling a few times and understand what it's liked to be surrounded with no cover being shot from multiple angles. You feel helpless and you sit there like a rabbit about to be hit by a car with strong head lights.
I feel the guy running away at the end was the only thing that didn't make sense imo. He should know they just got shot from a longer distance than he could run he should've just layed there or took one or two of them out with him. We don't know how long they were posted there but we know that it wasn't long because they had supplies set up near their vehicles not in a more comfortable situation. Wasn't any tents or housing set up, so they couldn't have been there that long. I feel like an ambush would've been possible because you had the distraction of the car and then the distraction of one news of their missing friends. But that last guy and the fact that it didn't show even 2 seconds of an indication of a gun fight was sort of un-realistic and a disappointment. D:
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On October 29 2012 15:40 D u o wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2012 15:25 blug wrote:On October 29 2012 15:19 p4NDemik wrote:
Last thing - how does an outfit of trained soldiers who have survived months in the zombie apocalypse get caught so totally unaware of their surroundings? These are the people most likely to be keeping a constant watch of their surroundings, to be honed in and aware of when they are being followed or watched. Even if you were to completely surprise them, on what planet do they get slaughtered without dishing out any kind of resistance. It was like lambs to the slaughter in that scene. I can understand the possibility of being ambushed like that, you don't exactly see people as a threat in a zombie apocalypse. You try to survive against the Walkers, not people themselves. It may of looked kind of dumb the fact that they didn't fire back with resistance, but you must remember that these guys were mostly kids and probably were scared shitless when they heard gun fire. Don't get me wrong, I've never been fired upon with real live ammo, however I have been paint balling a few times and understand what it's liked to be surrounded with no cover being shot from multiple angles. You feel helpless and you sit there like a rabbit about to be hit by a car with strong head lights. I feel the guy running away at the end was the only thing that didn't make sense imo. He should know they just got shot from a longer distance than he could run he should've just layed there or took one or two of them out with him. We don't know how long they were posted there but we know that it wasn't long because they had supplies set up near their vehicles not in a more comfortable situation. Wasn't any tents or housing set up, so they couldn't have been there that long. I feel like an ambush would've been possible because you had the distraction of the car and then the distraction of one news of their missing friends. But that last guy and the fact that it didn't show even 2 seconds of an indication of a gun fight was sort of un-realistic and a disappointment. D:
I agree that the guy running away was pretty dumb. I guess you could argue what else would you do in that situation? Play dead? Try to silently aim your gun and try take them all down? Quickly hide behind something and wait for them to be distracted and run?
I personally think that every single option he had was pretty grim.
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On October 29 2012 15:44 blug wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2012 15:40 D u o wrote:On October 29 2012 15:25 blug wrote:On October 29 2012 15:19 p4NDemik wrote:
Last thing - how does an outfit of trained soldiers who have survived months in the zombie apocalypse get caught so totally unaware of their surroundings? These are the people most likely to be keeping a constant watch of their surroundings, to be honed in and aware of when they are being followed or watched. Even if you were to completely surprise them, on what planet do they get slaughtered without dishing out any kind of resistance. It was like lambs to the slaughter in that scene. I can understand the possibility of being ambushed like that, you don't exactly see people as a threat in a zombie apocalypse. You try to survive against the Walkers, not people themselves. It may of looked kind of dumb the fact that they didn't fire back with resistance, but you must remember that these guys were mostly kids and probably were scared shitless when they heard gun fire. Don't get me wrong, I've never been fired upon with real live ammo, however I have been paint balling a few times and understand what it's liked to be surrounded with no cover being shot from multiple angles. You feel helpless and you sit there like a rabbit about to be hit by a car with strong head lights. I feel the guy running away at the end was the only thing that didn't make sense imo. He should know they just got shot from a longer distance than he could run he should've just layed there or took one or two of them out with him. We don't know how long they were posted there but we know that it wasn't long because they had supplies set up near their vehicles not in a more comfortable situation. Wasn't any tents or housing set up, so they couldn't have been there that long. I feel like an ambush would've been possible because you had the distraction of the car and then the distraction of one news of their missing friends. But that last guy and the fact that it didn't show even 2 seconds of an indication of a gun fight was sort of un-realistic and a disappointment. D: I agree that the guy running away was pretty dumb. I guess you could argue what else would you do in that situation? Play dead? Try to silently aim your gun and try take them all down? Quickly hide behind something and wait for them to be distracted and run? I personally think that every single option he had was pretty grim.
Of course but running isn't the BEST option. xD
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Don't act like you would do anything different.
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the guy obviously didnt get the memo to run in a zig zag formation, to make himself a harder target :D
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I do find it funny how most people in this thread assume that having military training turns you into a killing machine. It's like saying that people who do karate will use karate in a fight (I did karate for 6 months and I fight dirty, karate just holds me back lol).
If you are being fired upon, you piss your pants. It's not like the movies where you look at your surroundings calmly and aim your gun. You just sit there like sitting ducks waiting to get shot while scared.]
I've had a knife held to my throat before from some crazy guy. The last thing you do is think rationally... you just think to your self "Please dude, don't put that in my throat".
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especially since they mentioned the military dudes friend, instantly let their guard down. if you are vs lion in open field, you have less chance of surviving if you run than standing your ground. Even knowing that how many would stand their ground? rational thought = out the window when fight/flight kicks in
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On October 29 2012 15:50 NotAPro wrote:
Don't act like you would do anything different.
idk if I had a gun in my hand and someone was shooting at me I'd shoot back, whether I'd hit something or not would be completely different but I'm pretty sure that guy didn't get hit so he just dropped right away and then started running afterwards before they're gone, you either fight back, play dead or run away. Not play dead and then stop playing dead and run away. Also there was time for the guy to potentially start thinking rationally, ok his REACTION is drop to the floor or hide whichever he did while the governor was bashing the other guys face in the guy decides to run and get shot?
On October 29 2012 16:04 blug wrote:
I do find it funny how most people in this thread assume that having military training turns you into a killing machine. It's like saying that people who do karate will use karate in a fight (I did karate for 6 months and I fight dirty, karate just holds me back lol).
If you are being fired upon, you piss your pants. It's not like the movies where you look at your surroundings calmly and aim your gun. You just sit there like sitting ducks waiting to get shot while scared.]
I've had a knife held to my throat before from some crazy guy. The last thing you do is think rationally... you just think to your self "Please dude, don't put that in my throat".
when you're in that situation you're in immediate danger, at the point he was in immediate danger he hid or dropped to the ground and waited, giving him time to at least try and think rationally. But at what point does anyone's brain go from a reaction of dropping to the ground and playing dead or hiding to running away? I would expect it to go from dropping to the floor to waiting it out or the alternative of taking a few of them with you and trying to kill them all.
Of course all of the situations would've wound up the same, just like at the helicopter they check corpses. Specially with you turning after you die you want to finish them off. Idk just doesn't make sense to me.
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On October 29 2012 16:12 D u o wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2012 15:50 NotAPro wrote:
Don't act like you would do anything different. idk if I had a gun in my hand and someone was shooting at me I'd shoot back, whether I'd hit something or not would be completely different but I'm pretty sure that guy didn't get hit so he just dropped right away and then started running afterwards before they're gone, you either fight back, play dead or run away. Not play dead and then stop playing dead and run away. Also there was time for the guy to potentially start thinking rationally, ok his REACTION is drop to the floor or hide whichever he did while the governor was bashing the other guys face in the guy decides to run and get shot?
Me personally would probably just stand there and hope they stop shooting especially since I'm a sitting duck.
The fact is it's different from person to person, and saying that it's dumb just because they stand there isn't being fair. It wasn't dumb, it was a very human thing for them to do. Just because you have had military training doesn't mean you lose your ability to be scared of things.
You might fire your gun, but what at? Would you fire it at the guy approaching you who went out of the car? Maybe... but maybe not?
If anything, I think dumbest thing is the Governor walking out in clear site of them and assuming they wouldn't shoot him. That is a mighty risky assumption.
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On October 29 2012 16:18 blug wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2012 16:12 D u o wrote:On October 29 2012 15:50 NotAPro wrote:
Don't act like you would do anything different. idk if I had a gun in my hand and someone was shooting at me I'd shoot back, whether I'd hit something or not would be completely different but I'm pretty sure that guy didn't get hit so he just dropped right away and then started running afterwards before they're gone, you either fight back, play dead or run away. Not play dead and then stop playing dead and run away. Also there was time for the guy to potentially start thinking rationally, ok his REACTION is drop to the floor or hide whichever he did while the governor was bashing the other guys face in the guy decides to run and get shot? Me personally would probably just stand there and hope they stop shooting especially since I'm a sitting duck. The fact is it's different from person to person, and saying that it's dumb just because they stand there isn't being fair. It wasn't dumb, it was a very human thing for them to do. Just because you have had military training doesn't mean you lose your ability to be scared of things. You might fire your gun, but what at? Would you fire it at the guy approaching you who went out of the car? Maybe... but maybe not? If anything, I think dumbest thing is the Governor walking out in clear site of them and assuming they wouldn't shoot him. That is a mighty risky assumption.
I would've thought they would've handled the situation differently. I mean, I'm not saying military makes you fearless we didn't know if they even served time anywhere they could've been out of basic training and haven't had any actual combat experience for all we know, all I'm saying is that it doesn't make any sense to go from cowering to running, or from hiding to running when you just got ambushed and all your friends died and they bashed one of your friends skulls in.
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the annoying thing about that scene is mostly the governor showing up. His guys were already in position obviously before he showed up, him showing up serves no purpose at all. It definitely wasnt to convince soldiers to make their guard down cause their guard was already down without him showing up, considering governors guys got into position w/o them noticing. Governor showing up only puts himself in needless danger, and I am guessing the whole point there was suppose to be shocker/dramatic effect in showing governor's other side to the viewers. But thats just weak/sloppy writing when you think about the situation logically from a realistic point of view.
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On October 29 2012 16:27 Shivaz wrote:
the annoying thing about that scene is mostly the governor showing up. His guys were already in position obviously before he showed up, him showing up serves no purpose at all. It definitely wasnt to convince soldiers to make their guard down cause their guard was already down without him showing up, considering governors guys got into position w/o them noticing. Governor showing up only puts himself in needless danger, and I am guessing the whole point there was suppose to be shocker/dramatic effect in showing governor's other side to the viewers. But thats just weak/sloppy writing when you think about the situation logically from a realistic point of view.
You've got it. This is the heart of the issue with the scene, our discussions about the lack of a real firefight/easy pickings/running soldier aside.
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New most annoying character in the series is the suspicious looking black guy.. I'm sure he'll die soon enough, though..
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On October 29 2012 17:20 Zinnwaldite wrote:
New most annoying character in the series is the suspicious looking black guy.. I'm sure he'll die soon enough, though..
watch him return for s4... s5... s6... LOL. and i love how they've introduced the gov. so far.
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With all those army guys, most pointing guns at him... Governor should have died about one second after pulling out his gun.
Some of them probably were even wearing vests, and got killed by a bunch of guys from so far away. Hmph.
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On October 29 2012 20:47 Salteador Neo wrote:
With all those army guys, most pointing guns at him... Governor should have died about one second after pulling out his gun.
Some of them probably were even wearing vests, and got killed by a bunch of guys from so far away. Hmph.
Yeah. That was kind of annoying. And, honestly, that scene wasn't even needed.
Just think how awesome it would have been if we would not have seen any of that, and just saw him getting back with the army trucks having his little speech about them already being walkers.. and then have the episode end just like it did.
I mean, yeah, the comics-guys already know what is up anyhow, but for those of us who do not read the comics, that'd have been pure awesome. 
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In a way I can understand the Governor. Keeping the community small, simple and safe by killing others for their loot. In a apocalyptic world you just don't play by the same rules anymore. You have to look out for yourself and your company or you will be the victim sooner or later. But he is also obviously enjoying the power he has over "his" people now and he acts like some fucking cult leader which is disturbing. Don't know whats up with the heads tho. o_O
I can't wait till the day he meets Rick, that will be The Clash of The Ego's.
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+ Show Spoiler +I always envisioned the governor to be more of a snake like sinister character. In the show however he is potrayed more as an honest looking gentleman. Maybe it's just me.
In a way I can understand the Governor. Keeping the community small, simple and safe by killing others for their loot. In a apocalyptic world you just don't play by the same rules anymore. You have to look out for yourself and your company or you will be the victim sooner or later. But he is also obviously enjoying the power he has over "his" people now and he acts like some fucking cult leader which is disturbing. Don't know whats up with the heads tho. o_O
I can't wait till the day he meets Rick, that will be The Clash of The Ego's.
I'm sure that's probably how he rationalizes it to his comrades. I personally think in a world where most people have lost everyone they love some people might go a little bit crazy, different ways for others. Perhaps keeping people's heads in jars is his way of going crazy.
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Has anyone mentioned the weird character change in Merle? He's like somewhat nice now and doesn't seem racist at all even fighting along side several ethic races. I get the dude lost his hand but this is a farcry from the Merle we last saw.
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