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kassi
Profile Joined April 2010
United States290 Posts
July 30 2010 04:11 GMT
#561
I actually really enjoyed the movie.. but I wish that the plot wasn't so visible. Seeing the beginning scene basically told me that Saito would reach the layer of subconscious by dying in the middle of the movie. I was slightly disappointed that the end line was in fact about dreaming vs. reality. I really was hoping that I would leave with the idea that the audience was being inceptioned with the thought that every idea that we have is from an inception by an outside force. Does that make sense? I was just waiting for that extra twist that would make the movie into something really really amazing. I'm not saying I didn't enjoy the movie, on the contrary, the idea was great and I just thought it could be even more mind-bending.
news
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
892 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-30 05:26:08
July 30 2010 04:59 GMT
#562
Absolutely amazing, DiCaprio is becoming legendary as we speak. He pulled off two monster movies, this decade is going to be insane! Fucking stunned, this beats first Matrix.

On July 29 2010 21:39 chongu wrote:
zzzzz... Now i can't possibly pick my favourite movie anymore!!! Dark knight or Inception.... omg tuff call


When you grow up you will laugh at even having the idea to compare Inception to something like Dark Knight hahaha
"Althought it sounds sexism, and probably is, given the right context, we cannot classify the statement itself as a sexist statement by itself," - evanthebouncy!
news
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
892 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-30 20:22:18
July 30 2010 05:23 GMT
#563
On July 25 2010 03:16 OneOther wrote:
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It's a bit sad how you guys were fooled once with Avatar, and then you buy into the PR the second time with this movie. The characters were flat, story recycled and it followed the simple Hollywood mixture of corny jokes, quick paced dialogue and cool explosions. I don't understand how people can be excited over and over again just because they're supposed to like something.

What makes you think that people bought in to the PR? Why couldn't it be that people watched the movie, and genuinely liked as it was and thought it was an great movie? Because that's how it was for me. I could care less what those guys at Rotten Tomatoes say. It looked different and I went to go see it. And it was a really good movie in my eyes. So I came back and wrote some good things about it here.

Can I go ahead and say that nobody really cares about how you didn't like this movie? People who praised it loved it, and thought the exact opposite of everything that you did. I thought it was original, creative, thought-provoking, and just good overall. Apparently a lot of other people did too. Get over it, man.

Not really sure how you can even argue that "viewers disguise it" as something it's not. Praises are now disguised because you disagree with them? For the last time, everyone who thought it was great and awesome said it was great and awesome. I hope you realize there's a difference between offering criticism and what you're doing right now. You are entitled to your opinion. But don't shit on others' in the process.


I went to see both Avatar and Inception randomly, I obviously knew they were new movies and I chose to see them (I watch movies all the time). I didn't see any advertisements for either of them, they weren't "fed" down my throat. Inception was my choice simply because DiCaprio was ridiculously good in Shutter Island. Shauni is just too pompous to even consider some of the movies that other people like. He posted his list before, I think 8 out of 10 were Asian flicks, some are obnoxiously bad. I love Asian movies with content but if you have this stupid fetish that doesn't allow you to expand your weak imagination and simply enjoy something - sucks for you.

Sorry Shauni, but you should be banned from any discussion concerning movies. Not because you are stupid, you just can't be objective.
"Althought it sounds sexism, and probably is, given the right context, we cannot classify the statement itself as a sexist statement by itself," - evanthebouncy!
instantcold
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States38 Posts
July 30 2010 05:27 GMT
#564
On July 30 2010 13:05 GunSlinger wrote:
One of the worst movies I have ever seen.

Finally someone with reason
Hey, You dont pwn me, I pwn me
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
July 30 2010 05:29 GMT
#565
On July 30 2010 14:27 instantcold wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2010 13:05 GunSlinger wrote:
One of the worst movies I have ever seen.

Finally someone with reason

how cool do you feel man
Ixas
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
930 Posts
July 30 2010 05:33 GMT
#566
On July 30 2010 14:27 instantcold wrote:
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On July 30 2010 13:05 GunSlinger wrote:
One of the worst movies I have ever seen.

Finally someone with reason

maybe u jus didnt understand it
Ixas.parkjiyeon.net
erektion
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada62 Posts
July 30 2010 07:20 GMT
#567
On July 30 2010 13:05 GunSlinger wrote:
One of the worst movies I have ever seen.


you probably mistook inception for eclipse.
head up
ReTr0[p.S]
Profile Joined March 2005
Argentina1590 Posts
July 30 2010 18:42 GMT
#568
One thing I noticed
+ Show Spoiler +
How can it be anybody's but his own dream if he sees Mal everywhere? He shouldn't be able to see them if he was in anybody else's dream. I think that's a dead giveaway that everything that happens in this own movie is inside his head
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
July 30 2010 18:44 GMT
#569
On July 31 2010 03:42 ReTr0[p.S] wrote:
One thing I noticed
+ Show Spoiler +
How can it be anybody's but his own dream if he sees Mal everywhere? He shouldn't be able to see them if he was in anybody else's dream. I think that's a dead giveaway that everything that happens in this own movie is inside his head

It happens because Mal is a projection that Cobb brings in to anyone's dream, which is exactly why it's a problem.
ReTr0[p.S]
Profile Joined March 2005
Argentina1590 Posts
July 30 2010 18:52 GMT
#570
On July 31 2010 03:44 OneOther wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2010 03:42 ReTr0[p.S] wrote:
One thing I noticed
+ Show Spoiler +
How can it be anybody's but his own dream if he sees Mal everywhere? He shouldn't be able to see them if he was in anybody else's dream. I think that's a dead giveaway that everything that happens in this own movie is inside his head

It happens because Mal is a projection that Cobb brings in to anyone's dream, which is exactly why it's a problem.


But how is that possible? Didn't they say only the subconscious of the dreamer could populate the place?
Salv
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada3083 Posts
July 30 2010 19:22 GMT
#571
On July 31 2010 03:52 ReTr0[p.S] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2010 03:44 OneOther wrote:
On July 31 2010 03:42 ReTr0[p.S] wrote:
One thing I noticed
+ Show Spoiler +
How can it be anybody's but his own dream if he sees Mal everywhere? He shouldn't be able to see them if he was in anybody else's dream. I think that's a dead giveaway that everything that happens in this own movie is inside his head

It happens because Mal is a projection that Cobb brings in to anyone's dream, which is exactly why it's a problem.


But how is that possible? Didn't they say only the subconscious of the dreamer could populate the place?


That's what I thought as well. When Cobb and the young architect girl are in his dream he says that the targets subconscious will create projections and that they will begin to notice something is awry when you begin to distort the dream too much. If that's the case, they were inside Fischer's dream and Cobb shouldn't have been able to project Mal at all. Maybe I misunderstood something.
Offhand
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1869 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-30 19:55:21
July 30 2010 19:32 GMT
#572
On July 29 2010 19:02 fearus wrote:
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On July 29 2010 15:21 koreasilver wrote:
On July 27 2010 22:31 fearus wrote:
I saw this the other night so I would like to rant on a little on my take on it all, sorry if its been repeated.

> Cobb's reality was actually a layer of dream, the same thing he did to fischer has been done to him.
> Cobb is the target and he is the 1 being extracted.
> The defense projection are not fisher's, they are in fact Cobb's own defenses trying to stop him from falling in deeper. Only problem is he does not realize it. Fisher has never had extraction training hence the reason Aurthur never found out in his background checks.
> Mal is actually Cobb's Totem, Cobb distinguishes when his dreaming whenever Mal appears, once he finally believes he has lost Mal, he has lost his concept of reality and finally lets his guards down.
> The 'secret' they are trying to extract from Cobb is actually his children's face/identify and who is extracting it? His father. Hence the final scene where Cobb finally believes everything is right and fine and lets his guards down to reveal his children's face and the only person there is his father, the old man finally gets what he was after.

The director left a very subtle but very solid clue that completely damns any of these reality/nonreality theories. In every scene that is in "reality", Cobb is not wearing a ring. In every scenes in "dreams", Cobb is wearing a wedding ring.

The movie was extremely simple and straight forward. There were no tricks with hidden levels of dreams or anything. I honestly think that everyone that are trying to come up with these theories are completely missing the point of the movie.


Using same logic:

In every scene where Cobb sees his children = he was in a dream.

Therefore in the last scene he sees his children = a dream.


Plot explains this though. He couldn't see his children because he fled the states due to being charged with his own wife's murder. You bring up a good point, but it's irrelevant in the context of story.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
July 30 2010 19:42 GMT
#573
On July 30 2010 14:27 instantcold wrote:
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On July 30 2010 13:05 GunSlinger wrote:
One of the worst movies I have ever seen.

Finally someone with reason

You so indie.
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 30 2010 20:02 GMT
#574
On July 31 2010 04:22 Salv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2010 03:52 ReTr0[p.S] wrote:
On July 31 2010 03:44 OneOther wrote:
On July 31 2010 03:42 ReTr0[p.S] wrote:
One thing I noticed
+ Show Spoiler +
How can it be anybody's but his own dream if he sees Mal everywhere? He shouldn't be able to see them if he was in anybody else's dream. I think that's a dead giveaway that everything that happens in this own movie is inside his head

It happens because Mal is a projection that Cobb brings in to anyone's dream, which is exactly why it's a problem.


But how is that possible? Didn't they say only the subconscious of the dreamer could populate the place?


That's what I thought as well. When Cobb and the young architect girl are in his dream he says that the targets subconscious will create projections and that they will begin to notice something is awry when you begin to distort the dream too much. If that's the case, they were inside Fischer's dream and Cobb shouldn't have been able to project Mal at all. Maybe I misunderstood something.

Nono, anyone can bring in objects (ie. freight train) into the dream, it's just that obviously no one wants to because it'll attract attention. It happens a lot in the movie but you just don't notice it, they pick up random objects seemingly out of nowhere ie. the Forger grabs a fucking grenade launcher when they're trying to fight the 'security'.


On July 31 2010 04:32 Offhand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2010 19:02 fearus wrote:
On July 29 2010 15:21 koreasilver wrote:
On July 27 2010 22:31 fearus wrote:
I saw this the other night so I would like to rant on a little on my take on it all, sorry if its been repeated.

> Cobb's reality was actually a layer of dream, the same thing he did to fischer has been done to him.
> Cobb is the target and he is the 1 being extracted.
> The defense projection are not fisher's, they are in fact Cobb's own defenses trying to stop him from falling in deeper. Only problem is he does not realize it. Fisher has never had extraction training hence the reason Aurthur never found out in his background checks.
> Mal is actually Cobb's Totem, Cobb distinguishes when his dreaming whenever Mal appears, once he finally believes he has lost Mal, he has lost his concept of reality and finally lets his guards down.
> The 'secret' they are trying to extract from Cobb is actually his children's face/identify and who is extracting it? His father. Hence the final scene where Cobb finally believes everything is right and fine and lets his guards down to reveal his children's face and the only person there is his father, the old man finally gets what he was after.

The director left a very subtle but very solid clue that completely damns any of these reality/nonreality theories. In every scene that is in "reality", Cobb is not wearing a ring. In every scenes in "dreams", Cobb is wearing a wedding ring.

The movie was extremely simple and straight forward. There were no tricks with hidden levels of dreams or anything. I honestly think that everyone that are trying to come up with these theories are completely missing the point of the movie.


Using same logic:

In every scene where Cobb sees his children = he was in a dream.

Therefore in the last scene he sees his children = a dream.


Plot explains this though. He couldn't see his children because he fled the states due to being charged with his own wife's murder. You bring up a good point, but it's irrelevant in the context of story.

Ending was left ambiguous on purpose. The tabletop spinner starts wobbling at the end before the movie cuts. The spinner is meant to spin perfectly and endlessly if he's in a dream but the director chose to make it wobble to let the viewer decide on the ending themselves. It's a common trick used in all forms of entertainment and personally I thought it was kind of dirty to do that. Movie was fucking fantastic though.
lalala
gyth
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
657 Posts
July 30 2010 21:48 GMT
#575
Some thoughts on a second viewing.
+ Show Spoiler +
The only time the kids are wearing different clothes is on the beach at the top of the elevator when ariadne visits cobb's dream. (james in stripes instead of plaid)
Those could be the different aged actors in the credits.

The set where Saito says he bought the airline seems to be the same as the 2nd layer hotel.
Same concierge desk.
Maybe they have meetings in dreams for privacy.

It'd be interesting the run through this frame by frame looking for any error in the "real" world, not that there aren't errors in the real world.
One of the signs in his talks with eames has "CENTRE", but thats probably the right way to spell it in mombasa.
The plural of anecdote is not data.
MangoTango
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States3670 Posts
July 30 2010 22:57 GMT
#576
On July 30 2010 10:17 AhhBoxxah wrote:
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On July 30 2010 00:50 MangoTango wrote:
I posted this link several pages back, and still nobody has answered it. In the spoiler is an interview with Di Caprio, and it says what the movie is actually about. Everybody in this thread is wrong.

+ Show Spoiler +
It's about making movies. Everything makes total sense in this light.

http://www.theawl.com/2010/07/the-key-to-inception-its-a-movie-about-making-movies


This is one of the dumbest posts I've read simply for saying "Everybody in this thread is wrong". If anything there is no ultimate answer, as the entire movie revolves around the human mind. This is what makes it so universal as to interpretation. If anything, there is nothing concrete about the human mind, thoughts are never linear, and as such there is no ultimate answer to what the movie's "true" message is about, but it is there to inspire these ideas, to stimulate the human mind, to stimulate ideas ^^!


Dumbest posts you've read? Are you familiar with the Internets?

Everybody is wrong, in that everybody's arguing about whether or not the top stops spinning, or if Di Caprio is awake, and what if his kids ever turn around or wear different clothes. The important question is, does Chris Nolan feel like he's ever woken up from creativity hell? Is he stuck in the ambiguous state between awake and dreaming, hence the ambiguity about the top? Why does he have this need-hate relationship with his inspiration? Why is she cast so negatively at times? Are his kids his movies? Does he get to see them grow up? Are they everything he wants them to be?

These are the questions that we should be discussing. Not why 2 sets of kids were cast to play his children. The movie is autobiographical, if only metaphorically.
"One fish, two fish, red fish, BLUE TANK!" - Artosis
HoT
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States69 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-30 23:42:03
July 30 2010 23:30 GMT
#577
Hans Zimmer is amazing. So was this movie, really gets you thinking, not going to spoil though; btw the actors are amazing aswell. a brilliant mindfuck. You really have to pay attention to whose dreaming what. Btw in the ending, when saito and leo are in limbo they shoot each other in the head to wake up so that shud b a clue for the wether wut happen was real or not with the top
.AbsoluTe
Profile Joined July 2010
United States45 Posts
July 31 2010 00:20 GMT
#578
I heard this movie was amazing, I have yet to see it though because SC2 came out lol.
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anTi_
Profile Joined October 2008
United States499 Posts
July 31 2010 00:29 GMT
#579
I didn't fall into the hype and had really low expectations for the movie. I left pleased at the experience, it wasn't the best movie or even close to the best. However it was a very interesting, entertaining, well made, and was well worth my 10 dollars and 2 hours.

I'd give it a 7.5/10.
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instantcold
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States38 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-31 00:40:26
July 31 2010 00:38 GMT
#580
On July 30 2010 14:33 Ixas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2010 14:27 instantcold wrote:
On July 30 2010 13:05 GunSlinger wrote:
One of the worst movies I have ever seen.

Finally someone with reason

maybe u jus didnt understand it

Movie just sucked. Period, thats my opinion. And yes i did
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