EPT[Movie] Inception - Page 28
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chongu
Malaysia2600 Posts
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koreasilver
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On July 29 2010 19:02 fearus wrote: Using same logic: In every scene where Cobb sees his children = he was in a dream. Therefore in the last scene he sees his children = a dream. In the last scene Cobb is not wearing a ring, and therefore he is in reality. It is way too clear-cut for there to be any sort wide speculation. And your argument completely ignores the fact that Cobb is unable to see his children's face in those exact scenes because he didn't see their faces in reality; those scenes were built from his memories, and so he is never able to see their faces in dreams. This was very specifically and explicitly said in the film. The fact that he saw their faces in the end can only mean that it was reality. | ||
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Salv
Canada3083 Posts
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SolaR-
United States2685 Posts
On July 29 2010 17:37 gyth wrote: I don't understand how you can complain about everything being explained and then use Vanilla Sky as a counter example. They basically turned to the fourth wall and explain the entire movie, like a sci-fi movie panning to each creature to make sure you know how clever they were being. I'm probably just mad at that movie for giving me nightmares about cameron diaz. Yes but the through the entire movie of Vanilla Sky you're wondering what the hell is going on. They wait until the very end to explain what happened. In Inception I felt no suspense. | ||
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gyth
657 Posts
The fact that he saw their faces in the end can only mean that it was reality. He could have seen their faces in limbo too, but he chose to turn away. I think the significance of the last scene was that he didn't know if it was reality or not, but he accepted it anyway. To him, the distinction had become immaterial. | ||
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Joe12
183 Posts
On July 29 2010 22:21 koreasilver wrote: In the last scene Cobb is not wearing a ring, and therefore he is in reality. It is way too clear-cut for there to be any sort wide speculation. And your argument completely ignores the fact that Cobb is unable to see his children's face in those exact scenes because he didn't see their faces in reality; those scenes were built from his memories, and so he is never able to see their faces in dreams. This was very specifically and explicitly said in the film. The fact that he saw their faces in the end can only mean that it was reality. I don't think its that simple. To me it seemed like he had finally accepted the reality he was living in. He didn't look once at the spinning top, because it didn't matter to him anymore, he was finally where he wanted to be, reality or dream - it didn't matter to him. For the first time of the movie he was "free". I think that was the important part of the ending, and not whether it was a dream or reality. | ||
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MangoTango
United States3670 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + It's about making movies. Everything makes total sense in this light. http://www.theawl.com/2010/07/the-key-to-inception-its-a-movie-about-making-movies | ||
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gyth
657 Posts
MangoTango I posted this link several pages back, and still nobody has answered it. gyth On one level the audience is the dreamer being inceptioned. Maybe I didn't answer it, but I did read the article. You seem to imply that once the writers intent is known that there isn't anything more to discuss. That's just one layer in the cake. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On July 29 2010 23:52 gyth wrote: + Show Spoiler + The fact that he saw their faces in the end can only mean that it was reality. He could have seen their faces in limbo too, but he chose to turn away. I think the significance of the last scene was that he didn't know if it was reality or not, but he accepted it anyway. To him, the distinction had become immaterial. No, that's different. The scene where he could have seen his "children's" faces at his ground of being (which wasn't limbo as defined in the film) is completely different as what he would have seen there wasn't the product of his memory, but the product of the dream reality that he created with his wife. The faces he would have seen would have been completely different from the faces that he could have but wasn't able to see that he plays over and over again inside his mind through his memory. On July 30 2010 00:26 Joe12 wrote: I don't think its that simple. To me it seemed like he had finally accepted the reality he was living in. He didn't look once at the spinning top, because it didn't matter to him anymore, he was finally where he wanted to be, reality or dream - it didn't matter to him. For the first time of the movie he was "free". I think that was the important part of the ending, and not whether it was a dream or reality. The director has made it impossible to create any alternate theories of what is real or not with his wedding ring clues. The dream concept that was played with in the movie was painfully simple and straight forward. What is real or not is a completely essential problem for Cobb. He obviously cared. If he didn't, then he wouldn't have denied his wife both before her death and also when he faced her in his ground of being. Cobb was always aware of what was reality and what was not. The ending of the movie had nothing to do with reality or non-reality; the spinning top was a hilarious red herring used to trap all these fanciful theorists that didn't pick up on the "totem" the director gave us throughout the entire movie. | ||
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CopperLeague
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koreasilver
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daagoofer123456
United States3 Posts
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daagoofer123456
United States3 Posts
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
On July 30 2010 00:50 MangoTango wrote: I posted this link several pages back, and still nobody has answered it. In the spoiler is an interview with Di Caprio, and it says what the movie is actually about. Everybody in this thread is wrong. + Show Spoiler + It's about making movies. Everything makes total sense in this light. http://www.theawl.com/2010/07/the-key-to-inception-its-a-movie-about-making-movies That has nothing to do with the aspects most of us are discussing. That could be one overarching theme of the movie, but has nothing to do with the direct plot. Nobody is "wrong" Also, that read isn't very interesting. | ||
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.gypsy
Canada689 Posts
On July 30 2010 00:50 MangoTango wrote: I posted this link several pages back, and still nobody has answered it. In the spoiler is an interview with Di Caprio, and it says what the movie is actually about. Everybody in this thread is wrong. + Show Spoiler + It's about making movies. Everything makes total sense in this light. http://www.theawl.com/2010/07/the-key-to-inception-its-a-movie-about-making-movies This is one of the dumbest posts I've read simply for saying "Everybody in this thread is wrong". If anything there is no ultimate answer, as the entire movie revolves around the human mind. This is what makes it so universal as to interpretation. If anything, there is nothing concrete about the human mind, thoughts are never linear, and as such there is no ultimate answer to what the movie's "true" message is about, but it is there to inspire these ideas, to stimulate the human mind, to stimulate ideas ^^! | ||
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JunZ
United States314 Posts
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synapse
China13814 Posts
 My friend stumbled upon this: http://www.geekosystem.com/inception-memes/ | ||
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instantcold
United States38 Posts
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Chrispy
Canada5878 Posts
On July 30 2010 06:37 CopperLeague wrote: Why can't he just commit suicide until he's in reality? He spins the top, it doesn't stop spinning. Okay, suicide time. Spins the top again, doesn't stop. Okay, suicide. Repeat until the top actually does stop spinning. Seems like the best way to get back to reality! Well I think he would do that if he ever felt it neccessary. Right before his kids call him he spins the top and puts a gun to his head, but it falls over and he puts the gun down. | ||
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GunSlinger
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