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Geen
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands51 Posts
April 26 2012 09:57 GMT
#2061
Holy shit, that episode was fantastic. Best one in ages, by far.
Jankisa
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Croatia1487 Posts
April 26 2012 11:01 GMT
#2062
On April 26 2012 17:55 Chocobo wrote:
I didn't think this episode was very good at all, I'm surprised other people in here liked it. Like the previous episode, this had a couple of potentially really funny ideas, but then a weak followthrough.

"Cartman thinks black people belong together" and "Cartman pretends to be gay for Kyle" could have led to some great stuff... but instead it was exactly as advertised. Cartman simply puts the black kids together and tells people he and Kyle are together. He doesn't give misguided racist excuses, he doesn't play off of any gay stereotypes... there just aren't any jokes beyond the concept. It just wasn't that funny.

Sometimes I think Trey and Matt are dumb (in spite of their comedic genius) for throwing together shows in a week the way that they do. Look at what happens when they take more time, trying to make the most out of their good ideas and filtering out the ones that just don't work- you get the Book of Mormon and Team America.

And when they rush it and don't use any quality control? You get 22 minutes of the kids going on ziplines and saying "this sucks".


I don't really get why you watch South Park if you think that. That kind of taking the concept and expanding on it without making super obveous jokes and coming to crazy conclusions and lessons is what along with uncompromising humor that goes after everyone and everything is what makes South Park great.

What, was Cartman suposed to go make a couple anal and oral sex jokes or sending Token and his girlfriend to cotton fields or KFC so your sense of humor could be satisfied?

Anyway, loved this episode, best this season in my opinion, but I might be bias since I am a sucker for Cartman centered stuff.
So, are you a pessimist? - On my better days. Are you a nihilist? - Not as much as I should be.
StyLeD
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2965 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-26 14:44:04
April 26 2012 14:38 GMT
#2063
The complicated part about this week's episode is that Cartman actually wins. Usually the antagonist's plans don't work out and the protagonist wins, but this episode switches it around by making the antagonist win and the little jewish boy lose. So you're stuck watching Cartman's ridiculous racist-centric plans succeed (first with the two mexican kids and now with tolken). In the end, they do get together because they didn't give a shit about what other people thought (with a big hint to Cartman), but Cartman still won.

Loved the music montages, especially the part where cartman breaks in and read their letters. Loved when they showed him glued to the window spying on the girls, when he beat up his cupid, and the broken-cupid creepy self-conversation. Also the convincing love confessions....oh, and also when he was crying and it zoomed out and Butter was right next to him. Cartman is a great character lol.

edit: although, now that I think about it, Cartman wins or seemingly wins most of his diabolical plans. Yet he always loses out in the end (see: easter egg episode). This week was a bit different.
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ToT)OjKa(
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Korea (South)2437 Posts
April 26 2012 14:49 GMT
#2064
Quite liked this episode. First one this season (that I recall at this moment) that I actually enjoyed all the way through.
Cartman so cute
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Ramong
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark1706 Posts
April 26 2012 15:23 GMT
#2065
On April 26 2012 11:59 PoopLord wrote:
dat game of thrones history lesson. Refreshing episode.


Yeah, when Garrison began discussing the Greeks, the Romans and all the houses from westeros like they were in the same world... that was brilliant :D
"Yeah buddy"
liberal
Profile Joined November 2011
1116 Posts
April 26 2012 15:53 GMT
#2066
Game of thrones is apparently popular around here. People get an inside joke. Suddenly the episode is a hit.
yummi
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland48 Posts
April 26 2012 16:31 GMT
#2067
I lost it when Cartman starts to sing at the game. That was pure gold. Great episode.
mastergriggy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1312 Posts
April 26 2012 16:36 GMT
#2068
I liked the jewelry better but I also liked this episode a lot. I kinda wanted to see Kyle come and beat the shit out of Cartmen at the end too, and I don't understand why the makers are trying to "redeem" Cartmen (making him jewish, hooking people up, etc.). I do like how the creators have started focusing the episodes around characters as opposed to just stories, which is probably the direction you have to go after a while. Either way, it let's us see more and more what the characters are like. So, overall I recommend this episode.
Write your own song!
Carapas
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada242 Posts
April 26 2012 16:51 GMT
#2069
On April 27 2012 01:36 mastergriggy wrote:
I liked the jewelry better but I also liked this episode a lot. I kinda wanted to see Kyle come and beat the shit out of Cartmen at the end too, and I don't understand why the makers are trying to "redeem" Cartmen (making him jewish, hooking people up, etc.). I do like how the creators have started focusing the episodes around characters as opposed to just stories, which is probably the direction you have to go after a while. Either way, it let's us see more and more what the characters are like. So, overall I recommend this episode.

Cartman isn't redeeming, he just do this because he's racist and a little cupid tells him to do it. AKA he's fucked up in the head, and I don't think this is redemption.
awesumness15
Profile Joined January 2008
United States34 Posts
April 26 2012 16:52 GMT
#2070



Dang the Internet is fast with these. Anyways loved this part and Cartman singing in the arena.
AWESOMENESS=word of the century
Lonyo
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United Kingdom3884 Posts
April 26 2012 17:19 GMT
#2071
On April 26 2012 17:55 Chocobo wrote:
I didn't think this episode was very good at all, I'm surprised other people in here liked it. Like the previous episode, this had a couple of potentially really funny ideas, but then a weak followthrough.

"Cartman thinks black people belong together" and "Cartman pretends to be gay for Kyle" could have led to some great stuff... but instead it was exactly as advertised. Cartman simply puts the black kids together and tells people he and Kyle are together. He doesn't give misguided racist excuses, he doesn't play off of any gay stereotypes... there just aren't any jokes beyond the concept. It just wasn't that funny.

Sometimes I think Trey and Matt are dumb (in spite of their comedic genius) for throwing together shows in a week the way that they do. Look at what happens when they take more time, trying to make the most out of their good ideas and filtering out the ones that just don't work- you get the Book of Mormon and Team America.

And when they rush it and don't use any quality control? You get 22 minutes of the kids going on ziplines and saying "this sucks".

The whole reason he wanted them together was a misguided racist excuse...
You don't need to be explicitly racist about the skin colour when you're being explicitly racist in thinking that you don't want people to interbreed... that's actual Hitler stuff right there. Want to get more racist than that?
(And invoking Hitler in SP discussion doesn't invoke Godwin, since they have portrayed Cartman as Hitler before).
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d00p
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
711 Posts
April 26 2012 19:12 GMT
#2072
A really strong episode. This season is delivering the goods. S16E07 is almost in the top ten best episodes ever in my book. I don't even rember the last time a had such a good laugh with South Park. I almost cried when Eric sang.
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
April 26 2012 19:19 GMT
#2073
On April 27 2012 01:36 mastergriggy wrote:
I liked the jewelry better but I also liked this episode a lot. I kinda wanted to see Kyle come and beat the shit out of Cartmen at the end too, and I don't understand why the makers are trying to "redeem" Cartmen (making him jewish, hooking people up, etc.). I do like how the creators have started focusing the episodes around characters as opposed to just stories, which is probably the direction you have to go after a while. Either way, it let's us see more and more what the characters are like. So, overall I recommend this episode.

Are you watching the same south park I am? South park has never had any character progression (beyond kenny not dying as much). Cartman will always be the obnoxious one, Kyle will always be the 'normal' one, Kenny will always be poor, and they'll always be in 4th(?) grade. What happens in one episode has no effect on the next.

Good episode overall tho. Loved Cartman, and the shot with butters was just awesome.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
April 26 2012 20:09 GMT
#2074
On April 27 2012 04:19 Derez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 01:36 mastergriggy wrote:
I liked the jewelry better but I also liked this episode a lot. I kinda wanted to see Kyle come and beat the shit out of Cartmen at the end too, and I don't understand why the makers are trying to "redeem" Cartmen (making him jewish, hooking people up, etc.). I do like how the creators have started focusing the episodes around characters as opposed to just stories, which is probably the direction you have to go after a while. Either way, it let's us see more and more what the characters are like. So, overall I recommend this episode.

Are you watching the same south park I am? South park has never had any character progression (beyond kenny not dying as much). Cartman will always be the obnoxious one, Kyle will always be the 'normal' one, Kenny will always be poor, and they'll always be in 4th(?) grade. What happens in one episode has no effect on the next.

Good episode overall tho. Loved Cartman, and the shot with butters was just awesome.

The characters have all become much richer and there is an increased sense of continuity in the series such as all of Kenny's previous deaths being explained and Mysterion/Coon coming back a few times.

Cartman is probably the character that has been most developed over the series. Cartman has maintained most of the traits he has had since the beginning but a much deeper and darker side has been getting revealed since S14 or so onward. The "1%" episode and the newest one are probably most indicative of that. There has also been a shift in the way the characters behave, a lot of the childlike naivety that was the source of humor in the early season is gone and the shows dynamic has played off of the children behaving like sane adults while the adults of the town behave/think like children for a while now. I really appreciate episodes when it's very apparent how young the main characters are.

Also @mastergriggy this episode was largely about Cartman's misdirected racism (the belief that people can only have good relationships with people of the same race) and selfishness. There was nothing redeeming about it. He acted incredibly selfishly off of insane hallucinations and ruined Kyle's reputation in the process and in the end held himself to a double standard.
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jeeeeohn
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States1343 Posts
April 26 2012 20:16 GMT
#2075
Yeah, that episode was awesome. I also quite liked the zip lining episode even though it was a bit linear and never really reached beyond itself (but the SHAKABRAAA was pure genius).

Anyway, I love these Cartman episodes because it shows just how damaged and dark he is, even though it's just a cartoon.

I mean, he killed two people and ground them into chile, ffs.
If you can't jam with the best, then you have to slam with the rest.
Resent
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia938 Posts
April 26 2012 20:18 GMT
#2076
Thought it was awesome, haven't really laughed at south park in some time but this episode got me.
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
April 26 2012 20:20 GMT
#2077
On April 27 2012 05:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 04:19 Derez wrote:
On April 27 2012 01:36 mastergriggy wrote:
I liked the jewelry better but I also liked this episode a lot. I kinda wanted to see Kyle come and beat the shit out of Cartmen at the end too, and I don't understand why the makers are trying to "redeem" Cartmen (making him jewish, hooking people up, etc.). I do like how the creators have started focusing the episodes around characters as opposed to just stories, which is probably the direction you have to go after a while. Either way, it let's us see more and more what the characters are like. So, overall I recommend this episode.

Are you watching the same south park I am? South park has never had any character progression (beyond kenny not dying as much). Cartman will always be the obnoxious one, Kyle will always be the 'normal' one, Kenny will always be poor, and they'll always be in 4th(?) grade. What happens in one episode has no effect on the next.

Good episode overall tho. Loved Cartman, and the shot with butters was just awesome.

The characters have all become much richer and there is an increased sense of continuity in the series such as all of Kenny's previous deaths being explained and Mysterion/Coon coming back a few times.

Cartman is probably the character that has been most developed over the series. Cartman has maintained most of the traits he has had since the beginning but a much deeper and darker side has been getting revealed since S14 or so onward. The "1%" episode and the newest one are probably most indicative of that. There has also been a shift in the way the characters behave, a lot of the childlike naivety that was the source of humor in the early season is gone and the shows dynamic has played off of the children behaving like sane adults while the adults of the town behave/think like children for a while now. I really appreciate episodes when it's very apparent how young the main characters are.

Also @mastergriggy this episode was largely about Cartman's misdirected racism (the belief that people can only have good relationships with people of the same race) and selfishness. There was nothing redeeming about it. He acted incredibly selfishly off of insane hallucinations and ruined Kyle's reputation in the process and in the end held himself to a double standard.

I think the real turning point for Cartman came much earlier in the series starting with the Scott Tenorman episode.
Great analysis :O
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Kurr
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada2338 Posts
April 26 2012 21:25 GMT
#2078
This show comes and goes so fast. This half of the season is done so no more new episodes for another few months. I wish I had a gig like the South Park team (at least those making the big salaries, not the lowly employees) : work 6-7 weeks, make a ton of money and then take 1/3 of the year off, work another 6-7 weeks, etc.

I know they do a few other things like musicals but they don't do a big project every year (as far as I know). Pretty much a dream job in their field. Lowest amount of work possible to hold a TV series pretty much.

I thought 3 or 4 of the episodes were good this time around (cash for gold, the last 2, and I think another one I can't recall). Decent half to the season.
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Leth0
Profile Joined February 2012
856 Posts
April 26 2012 22:05 GMT
#2079
On April 27 2012 06:25 Kurr wrote:
This show comes and goes so fast. This half of the season is done so no more new episodes for another few months. I wish I had a gig like the South Park team (at least those making the big salaries, not the lowly employees) : work 6-7 weeks, make a ton of money and then take 1/3 of the year off, work another 6-7 weeks, etc.

I know they do a few other things like musicals but they don't do a big project every year (as far as I know). Pretty much a dream job in their field. Lowest amount of work possible to hold a TV series pretty much.

I thought 3 or 4 of the episodes were good this time around (cash for gold, the last 2, and I think another one I can't recall). Decent half to the season.


You have to be funny first.
Kurr
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada2338 Posts
April 26 2012 22:19 GMT
#2080
On April 27 2012 07:05 Leth0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 06:25 Kurr wrote:
This show comes and goes so fast. This half of the season is done so no more new episodes for another few months. I wish I had a gig like the South Park team (at least those making the big salaries, not the lowly employees) : work 6-7 weeks, make a ton of money and then take 1/3 of the year off, work another 6-7 weeks, etc.

I know they do a few other things like musicals but they don't do a big project every year (as far as I know). Pretty much a dream job in their field. Lowest amount of work possible to hold a TV series pretty much.

I thought 3 or 4 of the episodes were good this time around (cash for gold, the last 2, and I think another one I can't recall). Decent half to the season.


You have to be funny first.


Only about half the time. I think I could manage.
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