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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Poll: Team Secret vs NewbeeTeam Secret Win (42) 65% Newbee Win (23) 35% 65 total votes Your vote: Team Secret vs Newbee (Vote): Team Secret Win
(Vote): Newbee Win
Poll: Team Liquid vs Evil GeniusesTeam Liquid Win (53) 75% Evil Geniuses Win (18) 25% 71 total votes Your vote: Team Liquid vs Evil Geniuses (Vote): Team Liquid Win
(Vote): Evil Geniuses Win
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Man tonight is going to be a late one.
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I mean I voted for EG but let's be real here, Liquid has a way better shot of winning this, EG bias/hype is real.
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For the first semifinal, i feel like Secret is clear favorite. Newbee looks good but i think Secret right now is so dominant i would put them in front of TL, tho by the slightest of the margins.
Second semi is also pretty clear in favor of TL. EG looks like they are improving but I always have feeling when I watch matches that teams are afraid of TL even if those teams are in good form. I just hope that EG beats them and Secret dominantly because we need one more good team in the west, it's getting pretty tiring to watch Secret or TL wining all the tournaments (i know VP won one major but i have a feeling they will crumble hard before TI, hope I'm wrong).
It's sad that tournament with such good line-up and in my opinion good format (that's one of the rare thing ESL didn't fuck up with this tournament) is minor.
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I'll be somewhat surprised if this is anything other than Secret 2-0 and Liquid 2-0
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There's a caster currently who sounds exactly like John Oliver and it's really weird and I wonder if he's casting any of these games.
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Papua New Guinea504 Posts
Secret and TL are definately favourites but Newbee can defeat any team except TL. The better way to clinch the title for TL is hoping Newbee helps them clear Secret and they defeat Newbee in final. But I dont hope this to occur, I hope Secret can beat Newbee and EG eliminate TL in semi.
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hoping for a newbee vs tl grand finals rematch !
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I want to say Liquid is going to win this easily, so I will.
Liquid is going to win this easily.
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I'm going to say 2-0 Newbee and 2-1 EG. EG looks like their in form now, and have in my opinion the two best solo laners in all of dota - TL may be doing good but they haven't looked invincible.
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oh boy
yea I'm sure liquid will take this one
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so, the irony is that ohaiyo got further in the tournament than EE? :D
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Papua New Guinea504 Posts
though i am a old Fnatic support (Midone, Mushi, Ohaiyo, DJ, 343) and i am confident toward Ohaiyo ability, but last minute standing is totally different especially in this kind of high intensity games. This is semifinal, and Newbee is a very strong team. However, I still fully support Secret at this moment.
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Secret is undefeated though with BH, and they got Ace LD, so 50:50 I suppose
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BH and ES were so underleveled by 12min, when naga was 8 and disruptor 7 ES just got 6 and BH was still lvl 5
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Feels awkward for Secret. Should have sacked omni and prioritized LD instead. Omni can somewhat fight with low networth and come back through track kills. But a low networth LD is a bit useless
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ohaiyo even more out of sync than cty back then lol
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On January 27 2018 17:04 uthgard wrote:
ohaiyo even more out of sync than cty back then lol
it takes time for players to work well together, no matter how good one is.. a last minute sub is rarely going to be successful
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
Yeah.. standin gaming, what can you do. =/
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On January 27 2018 17:11 korendir wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2018 17:04 uthgard wrote:
ohaiyo even more out of sync than cty back then lol it takes time for players to work well together, no matter how good one is.. a last minute sub is rarely going to be successful
Even then, it was probably the Invoker that was the bigger issue, as they needed MidOne to come online faster. Newbee had earlier timings that they, mostly, hit.
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That SK did so much in this game, OMFG. He got the Blink, Naga got the Gem and they just didn't die...
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Position of offlaner is always awkward when your team loses all 3 lanes. Can't fight because your team can't win fights. No map control and lanes constantly being pushed in, need to help push out lanes. Can't take safe farm because your other cores need it too.
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well as a viewer most of all I just feel disappointed, this will probably be another quick day
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Secret is going full Fnatic with their Omni and Underlord picks for Ohaiyo
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
Ace is a good player. A bad player would never get a first hit bash.
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ohaiyo could win secret the mid game on his own as soon as crimson is finished
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Yea it seems like Newbee's lineup is weirdly pretty bad against Underlord given that it was 1st pick
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too slow lineup, bad against UL and those perfect DD runes for Ace to secure triple kill bot and rosh a bit later sure help to strengthen your already strong early game
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Crimson is just way too underrated as an item.
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On January 27 2018 17:18 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2018 17:11 korendir wrote:On January 27 2018 17:04 uthgard wrote:
ohaiyo even more out of sync than cty back then lol it takes time for players to work well together, no matter how good one is.. a last minute sub is rarely going to be successful Even then, it was probably the Invoker that was the bigger issue, as they needed MidOne to come online faster. Newbee had earlier timings that they, mostly, hit.
I felt that was because they kinda gave him up a little
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Ok, they have a troll and OD and then this happens?
Puppey killed 3 heroes!
Killstealer 
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looks like the omni team loses again =p
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Newbee really close to killing 2 there but instead don't get anyone. Doesn't seem like the rapier will be enough, they can't really prevent Secret from getting onto him with the halberds
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
Secret can end it with level 25 Underlord talent. Each storm does like 400 damage to structures then.
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Nvm Newbee actually is starting to make some ground
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
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On January 27 2018 18:29 cecek wrote:
Secret can end it with level 25 Underlord talent. Each storm does like 400 damage to structures then.
They still need to kill throne vs. a rapier dusa, megas aren't enough
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On January 27 2018 18:26 korendir wrote:
looks like the omni team loses again =p
WOAHHH... I was SO wrong!!!
Edit: and wrong again, its still not over lol!
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This Underlord getting killed by Venge swap is reminiscent of Secret vs VG at CD finals. Really terrible lack of discipline when your heroes aren't alive
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Buy a blink dagger you troll :D
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
sick retreat losing none there
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Raid Boss Mode activated.
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Dusa even has money for backup rapier + bb soon lol.
Nvm he all-ined
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Lalalaland34504 Posts
This ending is pretty intense ahaha
I hope Newbee take it :D
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On January 27 2018 18:33 ShiaoPi wrote:
sick retreat losing none there
This. That was truly sick!
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Lalalaland34504 Posts
Sccc carrying the value tango
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god damn, I really didn't think the divine could pull the game back for NB, props, they played it perfectly the last 10, 15mins
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That invi rune saving Dusa with Rapier and no mana...
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Lalalaland34504 Posts
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As a liquid fan I think this was still the better result :p we've not been convincing against secret really since TI
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On January 27 2018 18:36 maximrobi wrote:
That invi rune saving Dusa with Rapier and no mana...
yeap
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both EG & liquid can take newbee tbh. im not really convinced by them
On January 27 2018 18:37 Oukka wrote:
As a liquid fan I think this was still the better result :p we've not been convincing against secret really since TI
secret have no fata though. liquid is definitely favorite even if secret made to final
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On January 27 2018 18:38 Papercappu wrote:
both EG & liquid can take newbee tbh. im not really convinced by them
Story of Newbee the past year. Good enough to win tier 1 teams when they threw or not in top form. Can never win a international major tournament because teams are usually more prepared there.
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Newbee play really predictable dota and thats their downfall. They still insanely good coordinated and can easy win everything. Watching Dota is fun these days.
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Lalalaland34504 Posts
On January 27 2018 18:37 rabidch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2018 18:36 maximrobi wrote:
That invi rune saving Dusa with Rapier and no mana... yeap
This probably won it for them
well, kept it in their favour
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Papua New Guinea504 Posts
Cant really blame Secret and Ohaiyo, this probably is the first match they match up together and their very first enemy is Newbee, the top team in Asia. And really good news for Liquid, there are always team to help them to eliminate their strong oppenent. EG plz kick TL out, i wish to watch Newbee vs EG.
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On January 27 2018 19:13 Kelefei2016 wrote:
Cant really blame Secret and Ohaiyo, this probably is the first match they match up together and their very first enemy is Newbee, the top team in Asia. And really good news for Liquid, there are always team to help them to eliminate their strong oppenent. EG plz kick TL out, i wish to watch Newbee vs EG.
Its nice to have dreams, isnt it? xD
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
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Matu is doing great in this game
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TL is just playing with EG, they are always a step ahead so far. great picks.
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Nothing is working for EG, Liquid is just turning everything around
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Lalalaland34504 Posts
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
70/30 for EG.
Meanwhile, at 15 minutes, EG 10k behind, all outer towers gone.
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
this is looking like some good classic liquid
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I have my doubts as to if EG will take a tower this game :/
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EG getting so baited by timber all game haha
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Liquid are showing EG no respect right now jesus
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Liquid has beat EG with this approach ever since Epicenter last year. Staunch early laning heroes and prevent EG from getting early farm.
This game just went a little worse for EG than normal.
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EG now exactly that they have to kill pugna esp since he has aghs now but they just can't.k
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
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EG has huge hero pool, they said
They can play anything, they said
but wtf is happening when you only ban out lycan.....
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Lalalaland34504 Posts
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TL healed about 1/3 of the damage EG has done. It's just insane how good they play with their ressources.
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pugna pick was super smart
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That game was over at like 14min lmfao stomped.
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That broad smile on Kuro´s face when he last picked Sniper xD. Any opponent should be pretty concerned when Kuro is that happy after a draft.
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enfeeble is so tough to lane against
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Liquid counters the TB+Bane lvl1 power by just bringing 3 people and killing TB meta with chilling touch
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gh the true carry lol
Damn this is the true definition of snowball
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lmfao this game is becoming a disaster
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matu should just build deso & then push. i dont think EG can fight them lol
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disasta! yeah this game is over
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Everyone from Liquid seems to be on another level, the only thing left in this game is a 32-2 final score.
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miracle... sniper?! how is he surviving all of that !!!!
oh noooo not even the bear?!
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Was working a bit, got back, Miracle 6/0 ...WTF???
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Lalalaland34504 Posts
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lol keep tweeting sumail, dude never grows up.
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Lalalaland34504 Posts
HOW IS MIRACLE STILL ALIVE
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Lalalaland34504 Posts
On January 27 2018 20:39 Doraemon wrote:
lol keep tweeting sumail, dude never grows up.
what did he tweet
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On January 27 2018 20:40 Firebolt145 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2018 20:39 Doraemon wrote:
lol keep tweeting sumail, dude never grows up. what did he tweet
"Eg is still not top tier?u fucking punks are never satisfied are you?Hope you enjoy being bitter cause I definitely love being the greatest"
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On January 27 2018 20:40 Firebolt145 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2018 20:39 Doraemon wrote:
lol keep tweeting sumail, dude never grows up. what did he tweet
Eg is still not top tier?u fucking punks are never satisfied are you?Hope you enjoy being bitter cause I definitely love being the greatest
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9K lead 11min in or something... 18-0 score.
Biggest stomp ever?
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On January 27 2018 20:43 DwD wrote:
9K lead 11min in or something... 18-0 score.
Biggest stomp ever?
22-0 IG vs EG
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report kuroky
e: report gh as well
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chance for 32-2
or not  Matu~~
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Gh with the buddy plays, getting Miracle to safety. Like a real family.
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Lol i went away for a bit and come back to 26-2 wtf
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the score is worse but they already last longer than game 1. not over yet
lol meteor hammer last hope?~!
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trackdota doesn't show LD items. Has he radiance already?
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On January 27 2018 20:51 Geisterkarle wrote:
trackdota doesn't show LD items. Has he radiance already?
yeh
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On January 27 2018 20:51 Geisterkarle wrote:
trackdota doesn't show LD items. Has he radiance already?
he has an AC on top of it
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Lalalaland34504 Posts
Yeah even before this fight I was writing that it's still a possible loss from this position
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With aghs on LD it feels like this is gonna be a long death animation for EG
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On January 27 2018 20:59 Firebolt145 wrote:
Yeah even before this fight I was writing that it's still a possible loss from this position
Are we just gonna ignore that they lost a full lane of rax for a barely won fight? Liquid is just playing this game to the end as safely as possible.
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Lalalaland34504 Posts
Ahahaha this outmaneuvering is so good to watch
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Lalalaland34504 Posts
On January 27 2018 21:01 Sphaero wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2018 20:59 Firebolt145 wrote:
Yeah even before this fight I was writing that it's still a possible loss from this position Are we just gonna ignore that they lost a full lane of rax for barely won fight? Liquid is just playing this game to the as safely as possible.
I was talking about the first fight they lost, not the one that just happened
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that is some outplay from all of liquid
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although EG held on really well later on, this was one of the most crisp early to mid game i've seen.
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Was a good time for a series like that. EG plays 2 decent games after 2 years of disappointing results and all of a sudden casters and fans think they are t1 again, yeah no. Liquid and Secret are just a level above everyone else in the west if not the world.
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Just for my clarification:
What did Matu do in this game?
2/1/14
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even kky had 5/2/20
Did he go for a smoke during the match?
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How to beat EG? Ban the only draft Misery knows!
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On January 27 2018 21:12 Geisterkarle wrote:
Just for my clarification:
What did Matu do in this game?
2/1/14
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even kky had 5/2/20
Did he go for a smoke during the match?
He was safelane farming when kuro was helping to kill people all early game
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On January 27 2018 21:12 Geisterkarle wrote:
Just for my clarification:
What did Matu do in this game?
2/1/14
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even kky had 5/2/20
Did he go for a smoke during the match?
Maybe they were laning phase kills that made the difference. Supports rotated everywhere, Miracle and MC got so many kills, and Matu was most likely farming.
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On January 27 2018 21:12 Geisterkarle wrote:
Just for my clarification:
What did Matu do in this game?
2/1/14
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even kky had 5/2/20
Did he go for a smoke during the match?
Being their primary win condition? If KDA would show buildings as well, it would paint a completely different picture. He was the top farmer and the fall back option if Liquid would not close out the game as quickly as they did. There were basically in no position to lose this game at any point of the game and Sylar would have only grown scarier as the game progressed.
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On January 27 2018 21:17 Sphaero wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2018 21:12 Geisterkarle wrote:
Just for my clarification:
What did Matu do in this game?
2/1/14
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even kky had 5/2/20
Did he go for a smoke during the match?
Being their primary win condition? If KDA would show buildings as well, it would paint a completely different picture. He was the top farmer and the fall back option if Liquid would not close out the game as quickly as they did. There were basically in no position to lose this game at any point of the game and Sylar would have only grown scarier as the game progressed.
yeah later on they basically fought 4v5 while he took raxes
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Been at the arena for two days now and the atmosphere is great as the crowd cheers for good plays no matter which team. Hopefully you can hear it on stream as well. Ggs!
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Holy crap that was a thumping :D I'm loving liquid this tournament, 3rd minor win of the season incoming tomorrow!!
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![[image loading]](https://i.redd.it/v1ef5tqhklc01.jpg)
Byutiful
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If getting beat by Team Liquid is all it takes to not be tier 1 then tier 1 only has a single team in it, and that's boring.
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On January 27 2018 22:51 Ramiz1989 wrote:Byutiful
Haha this is amazing xD
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I'm disappointed someone didn't put a picture of Arteezy there for extra trolling points.
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So anyone know exactly what happen to fata? pics from twitter kinda scares me a little bit
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EPT
ESL One/Genting/2018![[image loading]](/staff/Julmust/lr_threads/team_logos/234x90/secret_white.png)
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