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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Poll: Newbee vs Vici GamingNewbee Win (26) 81% Vici Gaming Win (6) 19% 32 total votes Your vote: Newbee vs Vici Gaming (Vote): Newbee Win
(Vote): Vici Gaming Win
Poll: Virtus Pro vs Evil GeniusesVirtus Pro Win (27) 50% Evil Geniuses Win (27) 50% 54 total votes Your vote: Virtus Pro vs Evil Geniuses (Vote): Virtus Pro Win
(Vote): Evil Geniuses Win
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Papua New Guinea504 Posts
Go Vici, Go VP.
Watching VP games is always entertaining, EG & Newbee is boring.
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
VP, despite being a decidedly better team than EG based on pretty much any factor just can't seem to beat EG in a series. I guess it's time for them to break the curse.
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Ori is quite far ahead in last hits!
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ok, can somebody that watched the game - I can only use trackdota at work - tell me, what happened? Vg lost a teamfight and tap out? Networth Difference seems to be only 2k, Omni is the most farmed hero on the field no T3 is down, ... what the hell?
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On January 26 2018 16:28 Geisterkarle wrote:
Ori is quite far ahead in last hits!
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ok, can somebody that watched the game - I can only use trackdota at work - tell me, what happened? Vg lost a teamfight and tap out? Networth Difference seems to be only 2k, Omni is the most farmed hero on the field no T3 is down, ... what the hell?
Fight at dire base. VG with bad positioning allowed naga to sleep 3 players. Newbee then used BKB blackhole to win an easy teamfight and the game.
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On January 26 2018 16:28 Geisterkarle wrote:
Ori is quite far ahead in last hits!
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ok, can somebody that watched the game - I can only use trackdota at work - tell me, what happened? Vg lost a teamfight and tap out? Networth Difference seems to be only 2k, Omni is the most farmed hero on the field no T3 is down, ... what the hell?
Was watching the game, yep they literally just gg'd after gotten blackholed by enigma
probably tilted or something
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<3 pande for making the threads
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
That was a beautiful fight.
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Ah man, I didn't think that VG would take this series, but I had hoped it wouldn't be this one-sided.
Game 1 was won by newbee from the draft and this one after 10 mins or so
Maybe they just wanted to watch the EG VP series
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
newbee looking quite strong
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Newbee easily wins game two with 200IQ item builds. Double heart and naga aghs make tinker useless.
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On January 26 2018 17:59 maze. wrote:
Newbee easily wins game two with 200IQ item builds. Double heart and naga aghs make tinker useless.
Yeah newbee just straight outplayed vg on every aspect
they look good
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I know Zeus was good against Tinker, but was it also really god against Bounty Hunter or was it more the way the game played out.
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Zeus is good vs. BH and other invis heroes because lightning bolt and his ult both give true sight
BH in particular has very low HP before level 15 talent and no real way to fight back or escape other than track movespeed
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On January 26 2018 18:09 Sapaio wrote:
I know Zeus was good against Tinker, but was it also really god against Bounty Hunter or was it more the way the game played out.
Zeus pick was good but newbee won because they essentially outplayed vg hard
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
lets go vp 
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vp batrider following fear lycan on where he lanes lol
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QoP just feels useless to me in this meta. Dunno why teams pick it.
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
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Love the game so far. Action packed, a lot of lane switching. Interesting.
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This CK is a big issue for VP. So underfarmed that I doubt he will do anything
VP need big curses from Solo so that Lycan and Abaddon kill some teammates
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EG is just playing disgusting cancer heroes every game i see
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The only thing I don't understand is why they sac Ramzes so much, CK has no ability to flash farm and is terrible when played from behind, one of the worst. I guess they expect him to get farm from team fights after he gets 1 or 2 items, but EG will be far ahead and he probably won't be able to fight at all.
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On January 26 2018 19:19 Ramiz1989 wrote:
The only thing I don't understand is why they sac Ramzes so much, CK has no ability to flash farm and is terrible when played from behind, one of the worst. I guess they expect him to get farm from team fights after he gets 1 or 2 items, but EG will be far ahead and he probably won't be able to fight at all.
cause ck's life will suck even if he's farmed i would guess
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On January 26 2018 19:24 Pontual wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2018 19:19 Ramiz1989 wrote:
The only thing I don't understand is why they sac Ramzes so much, CK has no ability to flash farm and is terrible when played from behind, one of the worst. I guess they expect him to get farm from team fights after he gets 1 or 2 items, but EG will be far ahead and he probably won't be able to fight at all. cause ck's life will suck even if he's farmed i would guess
Not really, if he is farmed he can tank a lot in team fights and will one-shot any hero that he reality rifts into, like this he is like pos 4 CK.
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VP trilaned with the CK, they didn't leave him to the wolves. Maybe they didn't anticipate that EG would do as well as they did in the trilane. Also idk if they predicted EG to go aggro with Tinker. Once you start battling 3v3 it's really awkward to do some big lane swaps
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On January 26 2018 19:27 Ramiz1989 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2018 19:24 Pontual wrote:On January 26 2018 19:19 Ramiz1989 wrote:
The only thing I don't understand is why they sac Ramzes so much, CK has no ability to flash farm and is terrible when played from behind, one of the worst. I guess they expect him to get farm from team fights after he gets 1 or 2 items, but EG will be far ahead and he probably won't be able to fight at all. cause ck's life will suck even if he's farmed i would guess Not really, if he is farmed he can tank a lot in team fights and will one-shot any hero that he reality rifts into, like this he is like pos 4 CK.
i mean they have aghs on tinker, this prevents a lot of damage, he can't kill fear without him + illusions, so even if he gets bkb it's prolly a bit short on damage.
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On January 26 2018 19:29 spudde123 wrote:
VP trilaned with the CK, they didn't leave him to the wolves. Maybe they didn't anticipate that EG would do as well as they did in the trilane. Also idk if they predicted EG to go aggro with Tinker. Once you start battling 3v3 it's really awkward to do some big lane swaps
But that's the thing, they did 3v3 top, Pasha followed Fear and was #1 on net worth, QoP was a bit behind Abaddon but both did pretty well, then VP's support duo started to 'roam' and not do anything because they couldn't kill anyone, and they left Ramzes 3v1 or 2v1 and he died like 4 times in a row without any support. I don't know, seemed like a really weird move to me.
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CK shows why he's broken if enemy team doesnt have aoe disables lol. Underfarmed yet still 1 shotting carries.
Alright this game depends on lvl 25 qop to carry.
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On January 26 2018 19:31 Ramiz1989 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2018 19:29 spudde123 wrote:
VP trilaned with the CK, they didn't leave him to the wolves. Maybe they didn't anticipate that EG would do as well as they did in the trilane. Also idk if they predicted EG to go aggro with Tinker. Once you start battling 3v3 it's really awkward to do some big lane swaps But that's the thing, they did 3v3 top, Pasha followed Fear and was #1 on net worth, QoP was a bit behind Abaddon but both did pretty well, then VP's support duo started to 'roam' and not do anything because they couldn't kill anyone, and they left Ramzes 3v1 or 2v1 and he died like 4 times in a row without any support. I don't know, seemed like a really weird move to me.
I forget what exactly the lane situation was but if my memory serves EG was starting to win the lane and VP couldn't really get aggressive any more. Also Pasha made a move from bot to mid to gank Fear (not sure if this was when Wyvern went bot to take the lane), but it failed
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lol vp
I swear they have some kinda inside rule/vows about playing only with one hand against EG or something
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I bet you they underestimated EG because Sumail is not mid anymore
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On January 26 2018 19:36 uthgard wrote:
lol vp
I swear they have some kinda inside rule/vows about playing only with one hand against EG or something
Considering they were against Lycan and Tinker, they didn't play that bad at all, but they fucked up that last fight for sure.
On January 26 2018 19:38 Pontual wrote:
I bet you they underestimated EG because Sumail is not mid anymore
And I can assure you that's not the case cause Noone always talks how EG is their kryptonite and how they want to win against them hard since they always lose in a series.
It's just funny, if you ban Lycan EG will be back to tier 2 team with this lineup, I am not sure why they still want to counter it, you have like 3 bans at the start.
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CIS teams traditionally suck against teams who can push lanes well. Basically the same shit as against OG, yet they whined about OG had no idea how to move around the map lol.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Fear Lycan is so sick. 15 minutes he has Necro 1/2 and HoD and just runs and takes a tower or 3 xD
Woop! Come on EG we need these points, close the series out.
Also that Pudge pick was great!
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On January 26 2018 19:41 Pandemona wrote:
Fear Lycan is so sick. 15 minutes he has Necro 1/2 and HoD and just runs and takes a tower or 3 xD
Woop! Come on EG we need these points, close the series out.
Also that Pudge pick was great!
i thought that pudge pick was an ass
it could've been another tanky support hero(ogre) it would've worked and maybe more useful
other than that eg won all lanes and just steamrolled
it's also kinda weird to see rtz offlane tinker that works
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Also I feel like EG isn't easy to bully out of the game in the laning phase, which VP is able to do against a lot of teams.
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Why are people so insistent on labeling teams with tiers lul
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On January 26 2018 19:44 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2018 19:41 Pandemona wrote:
Fear Lycan is so sick. 15 minutes he has Necro 1/2 and HoD and just runs and takes a tower or 3 xD
Woop! Come on EG we need these points, close the series out.
Also that Pudge pick was great! i thought that pudge pick was an ass it could've been another tanky support hero(ogre) it would've worked and maybe more useful other than that eg won all lanes and just steamrolled it's also kinda weird to see rtz offlane tinker that works
True, i was just thinking how "good" it is at countering wyvern whilst still being a very good ganking hero if you land your hooks. But yeah Ogre does the same thing and probably would have been very good there due to bloodlust on fear/rtc would have been very good too.
Still was nice to see Pudge do good and win a game :D
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On January 26 2018 19:47 PoulsenB wrote:
Why are people so insistent on labeling teams with tiers lul
It's useful to get a feel on wich team is stronger, even if they don't play against another team, even though it'll never be accurate
Also i want to point out that tinker aggro against ck won them the game, ck got trashed in lane
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Wow, first pick Lycan, who could see that one coming right?
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
VP ... just "wasted" 2 bans on huskar oracle in first phase over Lycan?
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these are some weird fucking bans
have to assume VP has info from scrims or something that we don't
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who's this random dude casting with cap btw?
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
True guess because EG been in asia for over a week when the Euro boys came down they scrimmed against a fair few, plus i think they do scrim eachother alot anyway.
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Lycan first phase should be counterable man.
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On January 26 2018 20:06 uthgard wrote:
who's this random dude casting with cap btw?
perhaps it's trent, i think they were doing a duo. Btw how's the stream on fb?
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On January 26 2018 20:10 Pontual wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2018 20:06 uthgard wrote:
who's this random dude casting with cap btw? perhaps it's trent, i think they were doing a duo. Btw how's the stream on fb?
ah him, stream is so so I'm just watching it cause it is 60 fps on low res
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vp doesn't have an abyssmal laning stage this time
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
EG supports got alot of xp early game which is very useful for track from BH now and cr1t just being able to make big plays
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VP definitely didn't do enough early game. Need to win harder with chen.
EG is going to do their patented tricore farm and only take good fights.
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
"This is TrentPax, everybody. Evil Geniuses cheerleader."
Couldn't have said it better, Cap.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
They got some good damage on that push though from VP though right, EG took a T2 whilst VP managed to chip damage to T3 so a bad team fight or a few pick offs and EG could be a rax down very fast.
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On January 26 2018 20:29 cecek wrote:
"This is TrentPax, everybody. Evil Geniuses cheerleader."
Couldn't have said it better, Cap.
I don't know how bias he is, but, eg indeed is playing really well.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
No buyback DP!! PUSH EG PUSH xd
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Misery has been running around VP's town like its Grand Theft Auto.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Ok that was weird EG ? xD
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
Misery definitely MVP. VP just can't beat EG, it's gotta be so frustrating for them.
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EG looked rly strong these 2 games. Dunno how big is the VP factor though.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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I saw people in several sources mentioning to not give lycan to EG; VP seemed to think otherwise.
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Kinda wondering if VP feel unlucky after that loss against Secret yesterday and they just threw in the towel. Like seriously: Oracle and Huskar ban? WTF should that mean?
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It's not even about EG, of course they played well, it's just that VP plays like garbage against them for some reasons.
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On January 26 2018 20:38 maximrobi wrote:
Kinda wondering if VP feel unlucky after that loss against Secret yesterday and they just threw in the towel. Like seriously: Oracle and Huskar ban? WTF should that mean?
Did not feel like they were wholeheartedly in the series. Weird as heck.
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On January 26 2018 20:38 Ramiz1989 wrote:
It's not even about EG, of course they played well, it's just that VP plays like garbage against them for some reasons.
they had the exact same problems against secret: getting outmaneuvered and baited into subpar fights/picked off as a result. it's just that they had that 1 game with retard proof hero omniknight and that made it seem lke they were playing on the same level
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Boring day, but kinda nice if EG has it together again, hope tomorrow will be better
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Tomorrow will be even harder, liquid seems to have improved from last major.
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On January 26 2018 20:38 maximrobi wrote:
Kinda wondering if VP feel unlucky after that loss against Secret yesterday and they just threw in the towel. Like seriously: Oracle and Huskar ban? WTF should that mean?
i mean a team that run lycan probably will run huskar too
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On January 26 2018 20:38 maximrobi wrote:
Kinda wondering if VP feel unlucky after that loss against Secret yesterday and they just threw in the towel. Like seriously: Oracle and Huskar ban? WTF should that mean?
scrim information most likely
the drafts we see within the tournament isn't the only available strategies proteams could use
pretty lots of draft go around during scrims that were effective when eg used or vp didn't want to play against
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