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On July 21 2014 10:59 opterown wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Poll: Best Carry?Sylar (79) 48% Hao (22) 13% BurNIng (21) 13% EternaLEnVy (18) 11% Arteezy (8) 5% Rabbit (8) 5% XBOCT (7) 4% Luo (1) 1% 164 total votes Your vote: Best Carry? (Vote): Hao (Vote): Sylar (Vote): Arteezy (Vote): BurNIng (Vote): EternaLEnVy (Vote): Rabbit (Vote): XBOCT (Vote): Luo
Poll: Best Solo Mid?Mu (61) 39% Ferrari_430 (43) 27% SingSing (14) 9% Dendi (12) 8% Arteezy (9) 6% Mushi (9) 6% Super (7) 4% Lin (2) 1% 157 total votes Your vote: Best Solo Mid? (Vote): Mu (Vote): Super (Vote): Arteezy (Vote): Mushi (Vote): SingSing (Vote): Lin (Vote): Dendi (Vote): Ferrari_430
Poll: Best Offlaner?UNiVeRsE (88) 52% bOne7 (23) 14% xiao8 (18) 11% iceiceice (16) 9% rOtk (14) 8% Funn1k (5) 3% Yao (3) 2% YYF (3) 2% 170 total votes Your vote: Best Offlaner? (Vote): xiao8 (Vote): rOtk (Vote): UNiVeRsE (Vote): iceiceice (Vote): bOne7 (Vote): Yao (Vote): YYF (Vote): Funn1k
Poll: Best Support?fy (20) 54% MMY (6) 16% Banana (3) 8% Other (3) 8% Fenrir (2) 5% SanSheng (1) 3% zai (1) 3% LaNm (1) 3% ppd (0) 0% 37 total votes Your vote: Best Support? (Vote): Banana (Vote): SanSheng (Vote): fy (Vote): Fenrir (Vote): ppd (Vote): zai (Vote): LaNm (Vote): MMY (Vote): Other
For me: Sylar, Mu, Universe (MVP of TI4), fy.
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On July 21 2014 10:59 opterown wrote:Poll: Best Carry?Sylar (79) 48% Hao (22) 13% BurNIng (21) 13% EternaLEnVy (18) 11% Arteezy (8) 5% Rabbit (8) 5% XBOCT (7) 4% Luo (1) 1% 164 total votes Your vote: Best Carry? (Vote): Hao (Vote): Sylar (Vote): Arteezy (Vote): BurNIng (Vote): EternaLEnVy (Vote): Rabbit (Vote): XBOCT (Vote): Luo
Poll: Best Solo Mid?Mu (61) 39% Ferrari_430 (43) 27% SingSing (14) 9% Dendi (12) 8% Arteezy (9) 6% Mushi (9) 6% Super (7) 4% Lin (2) 1% 157 total votes Your vote: Best Solo Mid? (Vote): Mu (Vote): Super (Vote): Arteezy (Vote): Mushi (Vote): SingSing (Vote): Lin (Vote): Dendi (Vote): Ferrari_430
Poll: Best Offlaner?UNiVeRsE (88) 52% bOne7 (23) 14% xiao8 (18) 11% iceiceice (16) 9% rOtk (14) 8% Funn1k (5) 3% Yao (3) 2% YYF (3) 2% 170 total votes Your vote: Best Offlaner? (Vote): xiao8 (Vote): rOtk (Vote): UNiVeRsE (Vote): iceiceice (Vote): bOne7 (Vote): Yao (Vote): YYF (Vote): Funn1k
Poll: Best Support Duofy/Fenrir (73) 49% LaNm/MMY (27) 18% Banana/SanSheng (18) 12% zai/ppd (13) 9% Puppey/KuroKy (6) 4% Aui_2000/pieliedie (5) 3% ChuaN/Faith (5) 3% DD/DDC (1) 1% 148 total votes Your vote: Best Support Duo (Vote): Banana/SanSheng (Vote): fy/Fenrir (Vote): zai/ppd (Vote): LaNm/MMY (Vote): DD/DDC (Vote): Aui_2000/pieliedie (Vote): ChuaN/Faith (Vote): Puppey/KuroKy
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I wonder what EG would have looked like at ti4 and these past months with fear rather than mason.
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this gif so good
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On July 21 2014 11:00 Kipsate wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2014 10:55 goody153 wrote:On July 21 2014 10:49 Fwizzz wrote: Why do a lot of people hate the chinese? Chinese dota is so boring because of late game farming. Chinese dota is so boring because of early game pushing. Which is essentially like western play style. Why do you want them to do lose the game? Chinese teams are ok. I liked newbee(just because they beat DK badly on one time period i have a thing on teams that beat fan favorites). At least for me. Part of the reason is that it's sort of anticlimactic to have chinese vs chinese cause it's a global competition so i it would be nice to have a hyped east vs west. Part of the reason is that not really wanting dota 2 to become like starcraft scene. Maybe for others it's more like Newbee vs VG is really anticlimactic since they are the least likable chinese team i think. IG and DK has so many fans while newbee has opterown and idk who are the VG fnatics but i know people love ROTK. So the top 8 is 5 Chinese teams and 3 Western teams, various teams took multiple games off various chinese teams (Newbee was 7-8, LGD was 7-8. TI3 was Western vs Western?Did you dislike that final? in top 8, no chinese team was eliminated by a non-chinese team. the only west > east matchup was EG > DK i think
also i bet chinese fans were salty about TI3, it's western fans' turn this time
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On July 21 2014 10:59 opterown wrote:Poll: Best Carry?Sylar (79) 48% Hao (22) 13% BurNIng (21) 13% EternaLEnVy (18) 11% Arteezy (8) 5% Rabbit (8) 5% XBOCT (7) 4% Luo (1) 1% 164 total votes Your vote: Best Carry? (Vote): Hao (Vote): Sylar (Vote): Arteezy (Vote): BurNIng (Vote): EternaLEnVy (Vote): Rabbit (Vote): XBOCT (Vote): Luo
Poll: Best Solo Mid?Mu (61) 39% Ferrari_430 (43) 27% SingSing (14) 9% Dendi (12) 8% Arteezy (9) 6% Mushi (9) 6% Super (7) 4% Lin (2) 1% 157 total votes Your vote: Best Solo Mid? (Vote): Mu (Vote): Super (Vote): Arteezy (Vote): Mushi (Vote): SingSing (Vote): Lin (Vote): Dendi (Vote): Ferrari_430
Poll: Best Offlaner?UNiVeRsE (88) 52% bOne7 (23) 14% xiao8 (18) 11% iceiceice (16) 9% rOtk (14) 8% Funn1k (5) 3% Yao (3) 2% YYF (3) 2% 170 total votes Your vote: Best Offlaner? (Vote): xiao8 (Vote): rOtk (Vote): UNiVeRsE (Vote): iceiceice (Vote): bOne7 (Vote): Yao (Vote): YYF (Vote): Funn1k
Poll: Best Support?fy (20) 54% MMY (6) 16% Banana (3) 8% Other (3) 8% Fenrir (2) 5% SanSheng (1) 3% zai (1) 3% LaNm (1) 3% ppd (0) 0% 37 total votes Your vote: Best Support? (Vote): Banana (Vote): SanSheng (Vote): fy (Vote): Fenrir (Vote): ppd (Vote): zai (Vote): LaNm (Vote): MMY (Vote): Other
Damn you, opterown, always get pair of supports ;/
Sylar/Mu/Universe/fy/Sansheng hands down for this tournament. Mu for the MVP of tournament, rOtk for the consolation fan prize, Rabbit for the progress of the year.
Damn, still voted for Hao ;/ <3
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On July 21 2014 10:38 oniman999 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2014 10:36 Plansix wrote:On July 21 2014 10:34 oniman999 wrote:On July 21 2014 10:30 FakeDeath wrote: So much salt and people whining about smoke seriously?
Icefrog wanted to make the game more active early and not make boringfest games that Dota in the past was known for. That was the purpose of smoke which is ganking and making stuffs happening.
I rather see active supports roaming trying to get kills than passive supports. EG clearly was playing for the late game and they got punished hard for it. RTZ going midas when VG was about to push tier 3. It was good that VG punished that. So you really have no issue with the strongest teams being the ones who draft for strong early game, smoke for kills, take objectives from that advantage, and then just kinda snowball into 30 minute game wins or less? I like kills and ganks too, I don't like 5 man deathball tank/push playstyle. You dont have to nerf smokes strengths, but you can make it cost more or be able to buy them less frequently which I think is important because they clearly promote a playstyle that is strongest and I don't really wanna see nothing but 25 minute dota games for a year straight. Draft anything that can deal with the push. What happened to KotL? Seriously, there was some tunnel vision in this years drafting for sure. I thought you were just on the "nerf smoke" side a second ago O.o But I think if it was something you could just draft against, someone would have done it. DK and EG both went down to it, two of the best and most creative draft teams of the year.
EG by definition is not creative at all, especially once Mason entered the line-up. With Fear, totally different story.
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Netherlands45349 Posts
On July 21 2014 11:02 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2014 11:00 Kipsate wrote:On July 21 2014 10:55 goody153 wrote:On July 21 2014 10:49 Fwizzz wrote: Why do a lot of people hate the chinese? Chinese dota is so boring because of late game farming. Chinese dota is so boring because of early game pushing. Which is essentially like western play style. Why do you want them to do lose the game? Chinese teams are ok. I liked newbee(just because they beat DK badly on one time period i have a thing on teams that beat fan favorites). At least for me. Part of the reason is that it's sort of anticlimactic to have chinese vs chinese cause it's a global competition so i it would be nice to have a hyped east vs west. Part of the reason is that not really wanting dota 2 to become like starcraft scene. Maybe for others it's more like Newbee vs VG is really anticlimactic since they are the least likable chinese team i think. IG and DK has so many fans while newbee has opterown and idk who are the VG fnatics but i know people love ROTK. So the top 8 is 5 Chinese teams and 3 Western teams, various teams took multiple games off various chinese teams (Newbee was 7-8, LGD was 7-8. TI3 was Western vs Western?Did you dislike that final? in top 8, no chinese team was eliminated by a non-chinese team. the only west > east matchup was EG > DK i think also i bet chinese fans were salty about TI3, it's western fans' turn this time Sure the Chinese teams didn't get knocked out by any Western team but people took quite a few games off them, in SC they were/are like untouchable.
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I'm a hipster. I voted for Rabbit as best carry.
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On July 21 2014 11:03 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2014 10:59 opterown wrote:Poll: Best Carry?Sylar (79) 48% Hao (22) 13% BurNIng (21) 13% EternaLEnVy (18) 11% Arteezy (8) 5% Rabbit (8) 5% XBOCT (7) 4% Luo (1) 1% 164 total votes Your vote: Best Carry? (Vote): Hao (Vote): Sylar (Vote): Arteezy (Vote): BurNIng (Vote): EternaLEnVy (Vote): Rabbit (Vote): XBOCT (Vote): Luo
Poll: Best Solo Mid?Mu (61) 39% Ferrari_430 (43) 27% SingSing (14) 9% Dendi (12) 8% Arteezy (9) 6% Mushi (9) 6% Super (7) 4% Lin (2) 1% 157 total votes Your vote: Best Solo Mid? (Vote): Mu (Vote): Super (Vote): Arteezy (Vote): Mushi (Vote): SingSing (Vote): Lin (Vote): Dendi (Vote): Ferrari_430
Poll: Best Offlaner?UNiVeRsE (88) 52% bOne7 (23) 14% xiao8 (18) 11% iceiceice (16) 9% rOtk (14) 8% Funn1k (5) 3% Yao (3) 2% YYF (3) 2% 170 total votes Your vote: Best Offlaner? (Vote): xiao8 (Vote): rOtk (Vote): UNiVeRsE (Vote): iceiceice (Vote): bOne7 (Vote): Yao (Vote): YYF (Vote): Funn1k
Poll: Best Support?fy (20) 54% MMY (6) 16% Banana (3) 8% Other (3) 8% Fenrir (2) 5% SanSheng (1) 3% zai (1) 3% LaNm (1) 3% ppd (0) 0% 37 total votes Your vote: Best Support? (Vote): Banana (Vote): SanSheng (Vote): fy (Vote): Fenrir (Vote): ppd (Vote): zai (Vote): LaNm (Vote): MMY (Vote): Other
Damn you, opterown, always get pair of supports ;/ Sylar/Mu/Universe/fy/Sansheng hands down for this tournament. Mu for the MVP of tournament, rOtk for the consolation fan prize, Rabbit for the progress of the year. Damn, still voted for Hao ;/ <3 kk
Poll: Best Support Duofy/Fenrir (73) 49% LaNm/MMY (27) 18% Banana/SanSheng (18) 12% zai/ppd (13) 9% Puppey/KuroKy (6) 4% Aui_2000/pieliedie (5) 3% ChuaN/Faith (5) 3% DD/DDC (1) 1% 148 total votes Your vote: Best Support Duo (Vote): Banana/SanSheng (Vote): fy/Fenrir (Vote): zai/ppd (Vote): LaNm/MMY (Vote): DD/DDC (Vote): Aui_2000/pieliedie (Vote): ChuaN/Faith (Vote): Puppey/KuroKy
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I think some people will always complain if the games are one sided, regardless of the style used or the nationality of the team or whatever, which is kind of understandable. The silly part is trying to justify it by blaming the winners, or how they won, for the game being boring, when really it's on their opponents to make it exciting.
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On July 21 2014 11:00 Kipsate wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2014 10:55 goody153 wrote:On July 21 2014 10:49 Fwizzz wrote: Why do a lot of people hate the chinese? Chinese dota is so boring because of late game farming. Chinese dota is so boring because of early game pushing. Which is essentially like western play style. Why do you want them to do lose the game? Chinese teams are ok. I liked newbee(just because they beat DK badly on one time period i have a thing on teams that beat fan favorites). At least for me. Part of the reason is that it's sort of anticlimactic to have chinese vs chinese cause it's a global competition so i it would be nice to have a hyped east vs west. Part of the reason is that not really wanting dota 2 to become like starcraft scene. Maybe for others it's more like Newbee vs VG is really anticlimactic since they are the least likable chinese team i think. IG and DK has so many fans while newbee has opterown and idk who are the VG fnatics but i know people love ROTK. So the top 8 is 5 Chinese teams and 3 Western teams, various teams took multiple games off various chinese teams (Newbee was 7-8, LGD was 7-8. TI3 was Western vs Western?Did you dislike that final?
Kipsate, you know it's different.
Ethnically or nationally, I don't know any difference between iG, Newbee, or Vici.
Every EU/NA team we have right now is different though.
A Russian team, Ukranian team, Swedish team, German team, hell even LGD.int was very different and multicultural. Maybe it's because I am western I can really differentiate the personalities of even just different NA teams. Like TL, EG, NAVI.US, and C9 are way way different to me.
But I don't know a difference between the Chinese players. There are some that come to mind, like Hao, Rotk, iceiceice, but the 3-4 not very known chinese players... I cannot differentiate it.
I will say though, that at TI4, the chinese teams have been doing a good job at creating an Identity for themselves though, Newbee and Vici especially.
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On July 21 2014 11:00 writer22816 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2014 10:57 lolfail9001 wrote: Eh, the only reason i may dislike Newbee vs VG is that this series is much more decided by stupid mistakes of either side rather than the plays like Universedota. You watched the series already? That's my impression from their WB series and i highly doubt it will be any different in grand finals... Unless they actually pick kotl /sarcasm
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On July 21 2014 11:04 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2014 11:03 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On July 21 2014 10:59 opterown wrote:Poll: Best Carry?Sylar (79) 48% Hao (22) 13% BurNIng (21) 13% EternaLEnVy (18) 11% Arteezy (8) 5% Rabbit (8) 5% XBOCT (7) 4% Luo (1) 1% 164 total votes Your vote: Best Carry? (Vote): Hao (Vote): Sylar (Vote): Arteezy (Vote): BurNIng (Vote): EternaLEnVy (Vote): Rabbit (Vote): XBOCT (Vote): Luo
Poll: Best Solo Mid?Mu (61) 39% Ferrari_430 (43) 27% SingSing (14) 9% Dendi (12) 8% Arteezy (9) 6% Mushi (9) 6% Super (7) 4% Lin (2) 1% 157 total votes Your vote: Best Solo Mid? (Vote): Mu (Vote): Super (Vote): Arteezy (Vote): Mushi (Vote): SingSing (Vote): Lin (Vote): Dendi (Vote): Ferrari_430
Poll: Best Offlaner?UNiVeRsE (88) 52% bOne7 (23) 14% xiao8 (18) 11% iceiceice (16) 9% rOtk (14) 8% Funn1k (5) 3% Yao (3) 2% YYF (3) 2% 170 total votes Your vote: Best Offlaner? (Vote): xiao8 (Vote): rOtk (Vote): UNiVeRsE (Vote): iceiceice (Vote): bOne7 (Vote): Yao (Vote): YYF (Vote): Funn1k
Poll: Best Support?fy (20) 54% MMY (6) 16% Banana (3) 8% Other (3) 8% Fenrir (2) 5% SanSheng (1) 3% zai (1) 3% LaNm (1) 3% ppd (0) 0% 37 total votes Your vote: Best Support? (Vote): Banana (Vote): SanSheng (Vote): fy (Vote): Fenrir (Vote): ppd (Vote): zai (Vote): LaNm (Vote): MMY (Vote): Other
Damn you, opterown, always get pair of supports ;/ Sylar/Mu/Universe/fy/Sansheng hands down for this tournament. Mu for the MVP of tournament, rOtk for the consolation fan prize, Rabbit for the progress of the year. Damn, still voted for Hao ;/ <3 kk Poll: Best Support Duofy/Fenrir (73) 49% LaNm/MMY (27) 18% Banana/SanSheng (18) 12% zai/ppd (13) 9% Puppey/KuroKy (6) 4% Aui_2000/pieliedie (5) 3% ChuaN/Faith (5) 3% DD/DDC (1) 1% 148 total votes Your vote: Best Support Duo (Vote): Banana/SanSheng (Vote): fy/Fenrir (Vote): zai/ppd (Vote): LaNm/MMY (Vote): DD/DDC (Vote): Aui_2000/pieliedie (Vote): ChuaN/Faith (Vote): Puppey/KuroKy
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On July 21 2014 11:03 wuhan_clan wrote: I'm a hipster. I voted for Rabbit as best carry.
It's like voting for Mushi or ky'xy as best carry/midlaner last season.
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On July 21 2014 10:33 Kipsate wrote: Not sure what people want to watch
They hate Rat style if its by a Chinese team not DK They hate Push if its by a Chinese team not DK They hate Aggressive ganking if its a Chinese team not DK They hate teamfight unless its by a Chinese team not DK
;;. Agreed with this so much. How about the good ol' "boring 70min farm no kills"? Yeah I guess they don't like watching Dota.
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On July 21 2014 11:00 Kipsate wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2014 10:55 goody153 wrote:On July 21 2014 10:49 Fwizzz wrote: Why do a lot of people hate the chinese? Chinese dota is so boring because of late game farming. Chinese dota is so boring because of early game pushing. Which is essentially like western play style. Why do you want them to do lose the game? Chinese teams are ok. I liked newbee(just because they beat DK badly on one time period i have a thing on teams that beat fan favorites). At least for me. Part of the reason is that it's sort of anticlimactic to have chinese vs chinese cause it's a global competition so i it would be nice to have a hyped east vs west. Part of the reason is that not really wanting dota 2 to become like starcraft scene. Maybe for others it's more like Newbee vs VG is really anticlimactic since they are the least likable chinese team i think. IG and DK has so many fans while newbee has opterown and idk who are the VG fnatics but i know people love ROTK. So the top 8 is 5 Chinese teams and 3 Western teams, various teams took multiple games off various chinese teams (Newbee was 7-8, LGD was 7-8. TI3 was Western vs Western?Did you dislike that final? Although it was west vs west. It wasn't really anticlimactic. And even if it was west vs west. It was Ukraine + Estonia + Germany vs Sweden. So it had the international feeling that it gave. unlike this TI4 which is chinese vs chinese . I don' really mind if chinese win or makes it to grand finals every year. As long as it's chinese vs something else so that it feels like a global competition. Not another chinese tournament. That's really my only complain.
Not to mention it was the match most hated team in the world vs the most like team in the world. And the most hated team in the world was a unstoppable juggernaut while na'vi was the only only that looked to beat alliance that time. So it was hyped as fuck.
Seriously that was a really sick story line to follow.
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On July 21 2014 11:03 Kipsate wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2014 11:02 opterown wrote:On July 21 2014 11:00 Kipsate wrote:On July 21 2014 10:55 goody153 wrote:On July 21 2014 10:49 Fwizzz wrote: Why do a lot of people hate the chinese? Chinese dota is so boring because of late game farming. Chinese dota is so boring because of early game pushing. Which is essentially like western play style. Why do you want them to do lose the game? Chinese teams are ok. I liked newbee(just because they beat DK badly on one time period i have a thing on teams that beat fan favorites). At least for me. Part of the reason is that it's sort of anticlimactic to have chinese vs chinese cause it's a global competition so i it would be nice to have a hyped east vs west. Part of the reason is that not really wanting dota 2 to become like starcraft scene. Maybe for others it's more like Newbee vs VG is really anticlimactic since they are the least likable chinese team i think. IG and DK has so many fans while newbee has opterown and idk who are the VG fnatics but i know people love ROTK. So the top 8 is 5 Chinese teams and 3 Western teams, various teams took multiple games off various chinese teams (Newbee was 7-8, LGD was 7-8. TI3 was Western vs Western?Did you dislike that final? in top 8, no chinese team was eliminated by a non-chinese team. the only west > east matchup was EG > DK i think also i bet chinese fans were salty about TI3, it's western fans' turn this time Sure the Chinese teams didn't get knocked out by any Western team but people took quite a few games off them, in SC they were/are like untouchable.
Top Western players are capable of challenging some of the Top Korean players at the peak of SC2; once SC2 died down in the West, the level of competition dropped and Korea pretty much dominated. Right now China has edged out in most of the major match-ups, but a swing in the metagame can easily change things around. In fact, I'd say that contrary to popular opinion, Western teams like EG and c9 have a much better chance of winning in a slower paced metagame then a fast gank/teamfight/push metagame.
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On July 21 2014 11:06 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2014 11:00 Kipsate wrote:On July 21 2014 10:55 goody153 wrote:On July 21 2014 10:49 Fwizzz wrote: Why do a lot of people hate the chinese? Chinese dota is so boring because of late game farming. Chinese dota is so boring because of early game pushing. Which is essentially like western play style. Why do you want them to do lose the game? Chinese teams are ok. I liked newbee(just because they beat DK badly on one time period i have a thing on teams that beat fan favorites). At least for me. Part of the reason is that it's sort of anticlimactic to have chinese vs chinese cause it's a global competition so i it would be nice to have a hyped east vs west. Part of the reason is that not really wanting dota 2 to become like starcraft scene. Maybe for others it's more like Newbee vs VG is really anticlimactic since they are the least likable chinese team i think. IG and DK has so many fans while newbee has opterown and idk who are the VG fnatics but i know people love ROTK. So the top 8 is 5 Chinese teams and 3 Western teams, various teams took multiple games off various chinese teams (Newbee was 7-8, LGD was 7-8. TI3 was Western vs Western?Did you dislike that final? Although it was west vs west. It wasn't really anticlimactic. And even if it was west vs west. It was Ukraine + Estonia + Germany vs Sweden. So it had the international feeling that it gave. unlike this TI4 which is chinese vs chinese . I don' really mind if chinese win or makes it to grand finals every year. As long as it's chinese vs something else so that it feels like a global competition. Not another chinese tournament. That's really my only complain. Not to mention it was the match most hated team in the world vs the most like team in the world. And the most hated team in the world was a unstoppable juggernaut while na'vi was the only only that looked to beat alliance that time. So it was hyped as fuck.
[A] were most hated team in the world? Rofl. People started this circlejerk only after they won TI3, noone was that negative as community is right now in case of Alliance. Especially it's hilarious on the background of DK/C9/EG big love.
And Na'Vi always had shittons of haters, especially in glorious CIS community <3.
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opterown
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what makes people rate sylar so highly? o.O
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On July 21 2014 11:09 opterown wrote: what makes people rate sylar so highly? o.O prolly stability
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