EPTChina has always had 2-3 teams that are on-par with what Na`Vi has been over the last year. Nothing suprising so far in this TI.
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RyzeDotA
Denmark65 Posts
China has always had 2-3 teams that are on-par with what Na`Vi has been over the last year. Nothing suprising so far in this TI. | ||
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Nehsb
United States380 Posts
On August 29 2012 05:50 saocyn wrote: imo if you want to be the best you have to earn it, and it's not through playing the best teams at a disdvantage and beating American cans for a high gosu gamer ranking. this is how winning 1 million dollars should be, guys of equal ability and on fair grounds pushing each other to their utmost limit. navi got too comfortable, it's time to see their downfall for that arrogant mistake. and here i quote xboct " Everything other teams do is easy to read and understand. " if that's not arrogance and getting comfortable, i don't know what is. To be fair, the context xboct said that in was more of a "All the other teams are bad, we're just bad at well." Which I wouldn't call arrogance or getting comfortable. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
The way they DEMOLISHED Orange - a feat no other team was capable of - speaks for itself. You all talk about how close Orange vs. iG was, and then forget that coL destroyed Orange 2-0, and the games were not close. Don't be upset when coL upsets on Friday. This is my pick for the biggest breakout of TI 2. | ||
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
And for what it's worth, group B was far more stacked than group A. Complexity and NaVi showing why they should be considered the western hope in this tournament. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
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Excalibur_Z
United States12240 Posts
On August 29 2012 06:28 Azarkon wrote: People are focusing on Na'Vi but coL is by far the greatest danger in this tournament for the top teams. The way they DEMOLISHED Orange - a feat no other team was capable of - speaks for itself. You all talk about how close Orange vs. iG was, and then forget that coL destroyed Orange 2-0, and the games were not close. Don't be upset when coL upsets on Friday. This is my pick for the biggest breakout of TI 2. coL is a legit team for sure. I'm a little disappointed that Quantic didn't make it into the groups, I feel like they'd ultimately be the stronger Western team. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 29 2012 06:29 Cel.erity wrote: LGD dominated group A, but I still feel like DK played better somehow. LGD managed to draft a practically identical team comp every game with the western teams apparently not paying attention to their previous games, or not caring. They did beat DK obviously, which is the difference in the standings, and I didn't see those games, but I still feel like DK and iG are the most favored teams to win. And for what it's worth, group B was far more stacked than group A. Complexity and NaVi showing why they should be considered the western hope in this tournament. That just means they had to show absolutely nothing to sweep the group. Having to show your special stuff to win games at this stage is a sign of weakness, not strength. | ||
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rotegirte
Germany2859 Posts
if you look at it, there really is much for everyone's taste. although I personally was hoping for better performances of aL and mTw, I'm still overwhelmed by the overall level of the tournament. I'd bet the air will be filled with tension at the main event. so hyped!! | ||
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Crissaegrim
2947 Posts
On August 29 2012 06:25 RyzeDotA wrote: Both Na`Vi & mTw is not on top of their game atm. Na`Vi is still doing okayish compared to their form earlier this year. China has always had 2-3 teams that are on-par with what Na`Vi has been over the last year. Nothing suprising so far in this TI. I disagree with this statement. No where has Navi looked this dominant. On August 29 2012 06:36 Excalibur_Z wrote: coL is a legit team for sure. I'm a little disappointed that Quantic didn't make it into the groups, I feel like they'd ultimately be the stronger Western team. Nope. Quantic and to a greater extent PotmBtm, suffer from the same problem. They rely too much on their main carry namely Korok and Aui respectively. Shut down the carry, shut them down easy. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On August 29 2012 06:36 Excalibur_Z wrote: coL is a legit team for sure. I'm a little disappointed that Quantic didn't make it into the groups, I feel like they'd ultimately be the stronger Western team. No way. coL is way better than quantic, always has been. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On August 29 2012 06:36 TheYango wrote: That just means they had to show absolutely nothing to sweep the group. Having to show your special stuff to win games at this stage is a sign of weakness, not strength. Depends on whether you show your secret strat / whether you show your fun strat. iG showed two special strats vs mTw when they were securely Top 1 and mTw was securely LB. One game had the Ferrari TA / Chuan Tiny everybody was jizzing about, while the other had Zhou Brood and YYF NS. That was fanservice. They wanted to play all out gank, did it, and the fans cheered. Whether LGD has a secret strat remains to be seen. I do think iG has one. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On August 29 2012 06:05 rabidch wrote: chinese dota is in a state of constant bootcamp, the primarily reason why they're the strongest and most professional scene, comparable to korean practicing for sc2. the real embarassing thing is losing to SEA teams like zenith (clg) and orange (na'vi), who obviously have a lot of talent but have a much more plateau'd scene than any of the others Yes, but the phrase to pay attention to is iG bootcamped for three months with LGD. These two teams are absurdly ahead of other Chinese teams and this is, I think, why. This is not a Chinese thing - it's an iG LGD buddy buddy thing, in the same way that I think Orange and Zenith are not an Asian thing but an Orange Zenith thing. iG and LGD have been keeping their bootcamping quiet and their preparation secret. I do still think they tried to win vs. CLG in the finals of that $10,000 tournament, where I think Zhou played Luna, which is the first time I saw him play that hero. But other than that, I don't think they've been showing their hand. I'm starting to see that the iG and LGD organizations went buddy buddy with each other to split TI 2 between them, while leaving the rest of the Chinese teams out of that buddy system. This explains why TF and Ehome, for example, looked no sharper than the EU teams - because their scrims were limited to what they were able to get by themselves, be that cross servers / vs. WE and DK. The one thing that I don't know, though, is how DK managed to get into the form they're in. Who were they scrimming with? | ||
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saocyn
United States937 Posts
On August 29 2012 06:44 Azarkon wrote: Depends on whether you show your secret strat / whether you show your fun strat. iG showed two special strats vs mTw when they were securely Top 1 and mTw was securely LB. One game had the Ferrari TA / Chuan Tiny everybody was jizzing about, while the other had Zhou Brood and YYF NS. That was fanservice. They wanted to play all out gank, did it, and the fans cheered. Whether LGD has a secret strat remains to be seen. I do think iG has one. i wouldn't say that was a special strat at all. that's just how TA dominance can look like especially with high skilled support. if IG has shown their hand, navi has shown everything then. there almost wasn't 1 special hero dendi didn't play that he was known for and that the strat was revolved around it. the only thing i haven't seen from navi is xboct ns, which i'm not sure if they scrapped or not. to basically be placed in losers from day 1, you don't think they were going to bust out the game winning strats to pull themselves into winners on day 2? i think navi revealed everything just to get themselves out of the grave they dug in day 1. i mean who the hell wants to play out of eliminations of a b01? | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
On August 29 2012 06:54 Azarkon wrote: Yes, but the phrase to pay attention to is iG bootcamped for three months with LGD. These two teams are absurdly ahead of other Chinese teams and this is, I think, why. This is not a Chinese thing - it's an iG LGD buddy buddy thing, in the same way that I think Orange and Zenith are not an Asian thing but an Orange Zenith thing. iG and LGD have been keeping their bootcamping quiet and their preparation secret. I do still think they tried to win vs. CLG in the finals of that $10,000 tournament, where I think Zhou played Luna, which is the first time I saw him play that hero. But other than that, I don't think they've been showing their hand. I'm starting to see that the iG and LGD organizations went buddy buddy with each other to split TI 2 between them, while leaving the rest of the Chinese teams out of that buddy system. This explains why TF and Ehome, for example, looked no sharper than the EU teams - because their scrims were limited to what they were able to get by themselves, be that cross servers / vs. WE and DK. The one thing that I don't know, though, is how DK managed to get into the form they're in. Who were they scrimming with? I don't think it's fair to say anything like 'the organizations are splitting the tournament', especially not right after the LoL at MLG thing. Maybe it's just me but it seems like a bad bit of messaging. Your point about the practice is well taken, though, and it's not really surprising given the relationships between the players and organizations. ChuaN and YYF are both ex-LGD, and xiao8 and DDC are ex-iG.Z. I can see why they'd bootcamp together. | ||
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L3g3nd_
New Zealand10461 Posts
On August 29 2012 06:44 Azarkon wrote: Depends on whether you show your secret strat / whether you show your fun strat. iG showed two special strats vs mTw when they were securely Top 1 and mTw was securely LB. One game had the Ferrari TA / Chuan Tiny everybody was jizzing about, while the other had Zhou Brood and YYF NS. That was fanservice. They wanted to play all out gank, did it, and the fans cheered. Whether LGD has a secret strat remains to be seen. I do think iG has one. zhou was on the tiny, chuan played enchant that game, and its not really special tactics, if they can they will pick up TA where appropriate, and tiny is just a troll pick cos they know they are so good and having fun. And NS is a very stable pick, yyf is known for his strong NS, and brood isnt exactly an uncommon pick either, i would hardly say these are special tactics, more just iG having some fun | ||
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BackSideAttack
1103 Posts
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L3g3nd_
New Zealand10461 Posts
On August 29 2012 07:11 BackSideAttack wrote: How are they doing the championship bracket is it gonna be 1st seed A vs 4th seed B? Or is it gonna be a draft. Also how will they tiebreak EG and Zenith, and Navi and Orange if they decide to do seeds? yes 1a v 4b, 2a v 3b, 3a v2b and 4a v 1b. coin flips will decide ties | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
On August 29 2012 06:05 rabidch wrote: chinese dota is in a state of constant bootcamp, the primarily reason why they're the strongest and most professional scene, comparable to korean practicing for sc2. the real embarassing thing is losing to SEA teams like zenith (clg) and orange (na'vi), who obviously have a lot of talent but have a much more plateau'd scene than any of the others Zenith and Orange play together in a LAN setting far more often than CLG or NaVi, and they scrim the top Chinese teams often. I don't know what makes you think the SEA scene is so far removed from Chinese DotA. | ||
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