EPT[LR] The International II - 2012 - Page 1175
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Phyxx
Denmark681 Posts
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
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Lyter
United Kingdom2145 Posts
Navi LGD in particular, one of the best series i've ever seen | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
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WArped
United Kingdom4845 Posts
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EchoZ
Japan5041 Posts
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
On September 04 2012 08:33 johnnywup wrote: i missed a lot of the tournament --- what games would you guys recommend as the best? iG / LGD in the loser's bracket finals. Game 1 was one of the highest-level games I've ever watched. | ||
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SnuggleZhenya
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kdgns
United States2427 Posts
On September 04 2012 10:04 SnuggleZhenya wrote: So, this may have been said somewhere in the 1100 pages previous, but is there a reason they didn't have a true double elim bracket? I don't particularly have a problem with them doing it the way they did in the end, but it strikes me as unfortunate that Na'vi gets knocked out with just the single lost series. It would have been a bit too much, they were already doing too many games a day, wait times for players gets a bit out of hand. Also keep in mind that IG would have had a bo3 with dk, then a bo3 with lgd, then a bo5 in grand finals against navi, if they did a bo3 of bo5s with navi up 1, It would have lasted way too long. Also excitement factor, one series finals have a higher tension, similar to the reason why proleague finals is one series. | ||
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xPliCt
Germany143 Posts
On September 04 2012 10:00 LuckoftheIrish wrote: iG / LGD in the loser's bracket finals. Game 1 was one of the highest-level games I've ever watched. NaVi vs. LGD was really great + ig vs LGD LB final (great game but it's one of these sylla vs morph games) | ||
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Bibbit
Canada5377 Posts
On September 04 2012 10:11 kdgns wrote: It would have been a bit too much, they were already doing too many games a day, wait times for players gets a bit out of hand. Also keep in mind that IG would have had a bo3 with dk, then a bo3 with lgd, then a bo5 in grand finals against navi, if they did a bo3 of bo5s with navi up 1, It would have lasted way too long. Also excitement factor, one series finals have a higher tension, similar to the reason why proleague finals is one series. I wouldn't have minded seeing a 1-0 lead for Na'vi to start or something like that. It just doesnt feel right for me that every team except one gets a second life. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
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Bibbit
Canada5377 Posts
On September 04 2012 11:02 Azarkon wrote: People talked about this prior to TI 2 after learning the format. It was decided that having to play continuous games was enough of a punishment for the LB team and that giving the WB finalist a further lead made the series too lop-sided. Ah got it, makes sense. But there was a pretty big break before grand finals no? | ||
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Dubzex
United States6994 Posts
On September 04 2012 11:08 Bibbit wrote: Ah got it, makes sense. But there was a pretty big break before grand finals no? ~30 minutes. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On September 04 2012 11:08 Bibbit wrote: Ah got it, makes sense. But there was a pretty big break before grand finals no? There was a thirty minute break between the losers bracket finals and the grand finals. | ||
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Bibbit
Canada5377 Posts
Still, since I was going for Na'vi, I wouldnt have minded someone with a stick behind iG poking them in the back of the neck periodically. Seems fair, imo. | ||
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Bigtony
United States1606 Posts
On September 04 2012 08:25 superstartran wrote: Nah; the key was the fact that they were forcing both Puppey and XBOCT out of their normal roles. Because Puppey/XBOCT's hero pool is extremely limited, when they are forced out of their normal roles they play far below their normal standard. XBOCT is of course the weakest out of Na'vi from an individual skill standpoint, so forcing him out of his normal hardcarry role is going to hurt him big time. His non-hardcarry play this tournament was pretty mediocre at best. PPY's support was ok, but it was pretty average compared to other support players. Once they could basically cripple two of Na'vis players, all iG had to do was headhunt one of the other three, of course they chose Dendi since without escapes, Rubick is one of the easiest characters to kill when getting multi-ganked. In the end I think they were out drafted. They let Naga siren go but enigma was banned and they didn't take the tide for themselves. They tried to do their counter strat with juggernaut, but the templar assassin and especially the keeper of the light pick threw them off. There were other 'puppey/xboct' characters left in the pool (xboct could have played faceless void, puppey had plenty of support options left), but NaVi was trying to counter strat the iG picks. I'm sure that Nyx assassin was a split second decision to 'counter' Keeper of the light (it's possible he meant for it to counter tide, but that's unlikely), but that isn't the kind of thing that will work without a ton of practice. Well played by iG. One of the announcers pointed out that iG was going to be extremely dangerous in a best of 5, because they undoubtedly had more prepared strats for the tournament. NaVi had shown their hand with the juggernaut/enigma picks and from there iG knew what to ban. On top of that, iG realized that while NaVi knew how to play AGAINST naga siren, they weren't so good at actually using her in their team. | ||
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bangersnmash
Australia27 Posts
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kethers
United States719 Posts
On September 04 2012 10:40 Bibbit wrote: + Show Spoiler + On September 04 2012 10:11 kdgns wrote: It would have been a bit too much, they were already doing too many games a day, wait times for players gets a bit out of hand. Also keep in mind that IG would have had a bo3 with dk, then a bo3 with lgd, then a bo5 in grand finals against navi, if they did a bo3 of bo5s with navi up 1, It would have lasted way too long. Also excitement factor, one series finals have a higher tension, similar to the reason why proleague finals is one series. I wouldn't have minded seeing a 1-0 lead for Na'vi to start or something like that. It just doesnt feel right for me that every team except one gets a second life. I think Na'Vi getting close to a 3 hour break, to eat, sleep, relax, review, and practice, while iG played another grueling bo3 before the Grand Finals is enough of an advantage for Na'Vi | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On September 04 2012 10:40 Bibbit wrote: I wouldn't have minded seeing a 1-0 lead for Na'vi to start or something like that. It just doesnt feel right for me that every team except one gets a second life. I've said this numerous times. The main arguments have been: 1. It's just a format to choose the 2 best teams and have an even finals between them. So you'd think of the full double elimination before top 2 as just means to get seeding 2. Losers bracket is disadvantageous enough with the more matches to play so it'd be unfair to have a game advantage on top of that 3. It's their tournament and they told the teams the rules in advance so they shouldn't complain 4. It's not cool to see only a 2 game finals and it'd take too long to have a Bo7 with 1 game advantage (3-6 games) so they had no choice but to make it an even Bo5 (3-5 games). | ||
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