[LR] The International II - 2012 - Page 1174

On September 04 2012 05:47 Firebolt145 wrote:
Are people saying that LGD iG game 1 is supposed to be a legendary game? I'm about 30 minutes in and it's pretty meh...

On September 04 2012 04:33 ArchDC wrote:



To each to their own then. I like Lumi/LDs insight, I like Synderen's analysis too though I think he needs to be more enthusiastic (can't force though). Lumi/LD have both enough analysis and enthusiasm whereas Tobi is pure enthusiasm no analysis and Synderen is analysis but not so much enthusiasm.

Also, when Synd analyzes there's no feedback from Tobi unlike Lumi/LD, not that Lumi/LD argue all the time but there's more discussion. Personally, am more interested in the reasoning and debate, cause there may be something there you have not have considered before.

I can see why people like Tobi, and I like Tobi casting during teamfights (he's like the English vilat), but outside of teamfights (majority of the game), am not feeling him. Small ganks where he shouts also feels forced or I just din feel it warranted shouting (whereas in teamfights big plays often happen).

Ayesee doesn't say anything super indepth either but his voice is just cool and I enjoy hearing him throughout the game. He's not as good as Tobi/Vilat for the epic teamfights, however if I wanted to listen to a non-analytical caster, I'd go for Ayesee. I prefer Synd to Draskyl but I never listen to Ayesee/Drasykl for analysis anyway.

Personally, I also humbly do not agree with half of what the casters or armchair analysts in this forums say here about what is 'good', 'bad' or what is a 'counter' or who has the 'better' draft or 'correct' or 'wrong' item picks, in-game decisions, etc. But to each to their own. Everyone's got different experiences and have watched different games and plays different heroes and positions at various levels of expertise.

I'm just glad TI2 was great. My fav casting duo is Lumi/LD. And I look forward to a continued improved competitive scene throughout all regions.

On September 04 2012 05:47 Spicy_Curry wrote:


I think you need to finish it

On September 04 2012 05:15 Bigtony wrote:


The venue wanted to throw out their clients...and therefore double elimination doesn't work. Huh? Obviously it takes more time, but that isn't a reason why it won't work.

On September 04 2012 06:54 crms wrote:
woke up and still sad Na'Vi lost lol.


I've been racking my brain and the 5th position NA just doesn't make any sense whatsoever. I have no idea what PPY was thinking. NA is a momentum hero that only scales into mid-game and then dwindles off. Even if their tri-lane was insanely successful i doubt it would have been enough to make NA worth a shit.

If they wanted a stun with burst potential any other pick would be better, lina, lion, hell even witchdoctor or vengeful. NA had no chance but to be worthless as 5th position in trilane.

On September 04 2012 07:13 kdgns wrote:


ideally NA would reflect TH ult making tide unable to anchor smash to prevent a rubick steal, in practice this was not possible.

On September 04 2012 05:58 Cel.erity wrote:


No offense, but Lumi and LD are very hard to listen to if you have much knowledge of competitive DotA. I don't know who LD is, but Luminous is just a low-mid or maybe mid skill player. The reason people think he has good insight is because he pretends/believes he does, and he displays that confidence towards an audience that honestly doesn't know any better. However, most of the stuff they were saying in-game during the International was just incredibly misinformed, and they do not have the skill to pay attention to the key moments in team fights. If you notice, team fights with those two just ends up being a bunch of uncoordinated yelling, and usually some predictions that do not come true ("I'm sure they won't want to take this fight...nevermind, they're taking the fight!" or "Looks like he's dead...nevermind, he got away!").

Ayesee has been improving. Clearly he still does not know as much as the rest of the casters there, but unlike Lumi and LD, he doesn't pretend to know much, and asks important questions to Draskyl instead. His teamfight awareness has improved a lot since last time I saw him, so the commentary on those was also more hype and informative.

I'm still very disappointed they had some great casters there like Godz, Sheever, and 2GD who never actually got to cast any games. I think they would have done a better job in some cases, but I did appreciate the sweet "analysis booth" they had going on.

On September 04 2012 07:13 kdgns wrote:


ideally NA would reflect TH ult making tide unable to anchor smash to prevent a rubick steal, in practice this was not possible.

On September 04 2012 07:56 Kiante wrote:
banning the enigma was the real key for ig. without the enigma navi was relatively helpless against the combos