On September 04 2012 02:33 TheRedeemer wrote: No offense, but the hype of the game sorta died for me when it was Lumi casting and not Tobi. Tobi brought the crowd roaring, and that fueled Na'vi in previous games. I was really disappointed, and I hope I wasn't the only one.
Oh definitely, the finals were far less hype because Tobi wasn't casting. Really bad decision.
On September 04 2012 02:33 TheRedeemer wrote: No offense, but the hype of the game sorta died for me when it was Lumi casting and not Tobi. Tobi brought the crowd roaring, and that fueled Na'vi in previous games. I was really disappointed, and I hope I wasn't the only one.
I like Tobi's enthusiasm but I don't like his lack depth and his clear bias-ness and focus only on Western and the more star players. He does not bring attention nor can he identify significant plays by the lesser known players often the 4 and 5 position. His co-caster cannot catch everything and dota is more about discussion as opposed to relaying knowledge.
Lumi and LD both have pretty good knowledge, and bounce ideas off each other constantly and always point out small/big plays I've missed focusing on other things. It is too much to ask of anyone, including Tobi, to be able to play the 1-5 positions at a decently high level for most heroes.
That's why Lumi/LD who've played (and played against) tons of games across all positions and all heroes are the best casters. They also have good chemistry and enthusiasm and are familiar with all regions (NA, EU, CIS, SEA, China) including playstyles and history. Best of all, they are NOT BIASED. They observe ALL the players 1-5, both West and East, and try to focus on all the plays as opposed to only certain players plays (*cough Dendi *cough) when there are 10 players on the screen competing for attention.
Just my 2 cents.
Ummm...
In only like a 5 minute extract Synderen brought far more insight than Lumi and LD in all of their casts combined -_- Also Tobi's not supposed to know everything, he's a shoutcaster not an analytical commentator. That's why he was paired with one.
I would have preferred tobi/synd because I think tobi is the only one who can actually get hype going properly. Also, Synd is like the smartest man alive, I would have killed to have his insight for the drafts especially in the finals, calling the void pick in the winners final was sick. I don't mind lumi/ld, but I believe the most important trait of any caster should be his/her ability to talk. Talking is what you are there for, knowledge and all the other stuff is obviously important, but the ability to speak fluently and not stumble over words and get your point across properly is paramount. Fucking that up ruins the levels of immersion that a viewer feels. I don't think Lumi is good at that, his ability to actually talk is limited, he seems to go too fast for his brain and get lost in the middle of a sentence and it really annoys me
That said, I'm not hating, they are definitely not bad casters. And gratz to iG, they were the best team on the day
I would have preferred Ayesee and Draskyll, it has to be said, but I don't think we can make any judgements about the situation. Something had to have happened behind the scenes, and I doubt we'll ever know about it.
why is one person in each booth wearing headphones / ear buds?
The team needs to hear game sounds, but if everyone wears headphones then it becomes too hard to communicate with each other. So instead one person wears headphones and calls out sounds that everyone needs to know about.
Didn't really matter to me if Tobi was casting or not, actually I think he is overrated anyway and I really enjoyed Lumi/LD this weekend. Although I can't say this for the finals, didn't watch it with them, because I EVERY NAVI GAME GOTTA BE A V1LAT CAST! Does not matter if you I understand him or not, its just so freakin awesome!
Watching Na'Vi without V1lat is like eating cereals without milk, it is possible but not as great!
On September 04 2012 04:18 KillerSOS wrote: Lumi and LD are just not as knowledgeable as Synd... its a simple fact.
They did a decent job, but I'm glad that Synd is basically quitting playing and casting full time.
Where did you get this info about synderen? On his twitter/facebook it says he'll be streaming again when he gets home from the international and has nothing about quitting. cant find anything on nadota/jd/reddit either.
On September 04 2012 04:18 KillerSOS wrote: Lumi and LD are just not as knowledgeable as Synd... its a simple fact.
They did a decent job, but I'm glad that Synd is basically quitting playing and casting full time.
Where did you get this info about synderen? On his twitter/facebook it says he'll be streaming again when he gets home from the international and has nothing about quitting. cant find anything on nadota/jd/reddit either.
The tournament was nearly perfect but the final games could be better and the ending was really bad and awkward.
Lumi & LD: As much as I love their casting. They are just not very interactive with the crowd. Synderen and Toby on the other hand often involve the crowd ("Who do you think is going to take it?" etc.) I think there would be much more hype with toby. When it comes to the Grand Finals with a huge crowd play-by-play casting is more important than an analytical casting style.
The Ceremony: The game was barely over - suddenly GabeN was standing there: "BTW we have a huge party in the back, come join us." - "Ah, before I forget; here, take this Aegis, congrats" and then he vanishes completely leaving them without any epic music, without any konfetti or ceremony with a silent crowd that for the most part wanted Na'Vi.
But I'm sure Valve will do better next time. I thought the International I was pretty good but the International II was like 500% better.
On September 04 2012 02:33 TheRedeemer wrote: No offense, but the hype of the game sorta died for me when it was Lumi casting and not Tobi. Tobi brought the crowd roaring, and that fueled Na'vi in previous games. I was really disappointed, and I hope I wasn't the only one.
Oh definitely, the finals were far less hype because Tobi wasn't casting. Really bad decision.
On September 04 2012 02:33 TheRedeemer wrote: No offense, but the hype of the game sorta died for me when it was Lumi casting and not Tobi. Tobi brought the crowd roaring, and that fueled Na'vi in previous games. I was really disappointed, and I hope I wasn't the only one.
I like Tobi's enthusiasm but I don't like his lack depth and his clear bias-ness and focus only on Western and the more star players. He does not bring attention nor can he identify significant plays by the lesser known players often the 4 and 5 position. His co-caster cannot catch everything and dota is more about discussion as opposed to relaying knowledge.
Lumi and LD both have pretty good knowledge, and bounce ideas off each other constantly and always point out small/big plays I've missed focusing on other things. It is too much to ask of anyone, including Tobi, to be able to play the 1-5 positions at a decently high level for most heroes.
That's why Lumi/LD who've played (and played against) tons of games across all positions and all heroes are the best casters. They also have good chemistry and enthusiasm and are familiar with all regions (NA, EU, CIS, SEA, China) including playstyles and history. Best of all, they are NOT BIASED. They observe ALL the players 1-5, both West and East, and try to focus on all the plays as opposed to only certain players plays (*cough Dendi *cough) when there are 10 players on the screen competing for attention.
Just my 2 cents.
Ummm...
In only like a 5 minute extract Synderen brought far more insight than Lumi and LD in all of their casts combined -_- Also Tobi's not supposed to know everything, he's a shoutcaster not an analytical commentator. That's why he was paired with one.
To each to their own then. I like Lumi/LDs insight, I like Synderen's analysis too though I think he needs to be more enthusiastic (can't force though). Lumi/LD have both enough analysis and enthusiasm whereas Tobi is pure enthusiasm no analysis and Synderen is analysis but not so much enthusiasm.
Also, when Synd analyzes there's no feedback from Tobi unlike Lumi/LD, not that Lumi/LD argue all the time but there's more discussion. Personally, am more interested in the reasoning and debate, cause there may be something there you have not have considered before.
I can see why people like Tobi, and I like Tobi casting during teamfights (he's like the English vilat), but outside of teamfights (majority of the game), am not feeling him. Small ganks where he shouts also feels forced or I just din feel it warranted shouting (whereas in teamfights big plays often happen).
Ayesee doesn't say anything super indepth either but his voice is just cool and I enjoy hearing him throughout the game. He's not as good as Tobi/Vilat for the epic teamfights, however if I wanted to listen to a non-analytical caster, I'd go for Ayesee. I prefer Synd to Draskyl but I never listen to Ayesee/Drasykl for analysis anyway.
Personally, I also humbly do not agree with half of what the casters or armchair analysts in this forums say here about what is 'good', 'bad' or what is a 'counter' or who has the 'better' draft or 'correct' or 'wrong' item picks, in-game decisions, etc. But to each to their own. Everyone's got different experiences and have watched different games and plays different heroes and positions at various levels of expertise.
I'm just glad TI2 was great. My fav casting duo is Lumi/LD. And I look forward to a continued improved competitive scene throughout all regions.
On September 04 2012 04:18 KillerSOS wrote: Lumi and LD are just not as knowledgeable as Synd... its a simple fact.
They did a decent job, but I'm glad that Synd is basically quitting playing and casting full time.
Where did you get this info about synderen? On his twitter/facebook it says he'll be streaming again when he gets home from the international and has nothing about quitting. cant find anything on nadota/jd/reddit either.
On September 04 2012 04:32 Midas_ wrote: The tournament was nearly perfect but the final games could be better and the ending was really bad and awkward.
Lumi & LD: As much as I love their casting. They are just not very interactive with the crowd. Synderen and Toby on the other hand often involve the crowd ("Who do you think is going to take it?" etc.) I think there would be much more hype with toby. When it comes to the Grand Finals with a huge crowd play-by-play casting is more important than an analytical casting style.
The Ceremony: The game was barely over - suddenly GabeN was standing there: "BTW we have a huge party in the back, come join us." - "Ah, before I forget; here, take this Aegis, congrats" and then he vanishes completely leaving them without any epic music, without any konfetti or ceremony with a silent crowd that for the most part wanted Na'Vi.
But I'm sure Valve will do better next time. I thought the International I was pretty good but the International II was like 500% better.
That's because by game 2 the owners were already attempting to throw people out. This is why everyone said double elimination format was stupid and wouldn't work.
On September 04 2012 04:32 Midas_ wrote: The tournament was nearly perfect but the final games could be better and the ending was really bad and awkward.
Lumi & LD: As much as I love their casting. They are just not very interactive with the crowd. Synderen and Toby on the other hand often involve the crowd ("Who do you think is going to take it?" etc.) I think there would be much more hype with toby. When it comes to the Grand Finals with a huge crowd play-by-play casting is more important than an analytical casting style.
The Ceremony: The game was barely over - suddenly GabeN was standing there: "BTW we have a huge party in the back, come join us." - "Ah, before I forget; here, take this Aegis, congrats" and then he vanishes completely leaving them without any epic music, without any konfetti or ceremony with a silent crowd that for the most part wanted Na'Vi.
But I'm sure Valve will do better next time. I thought the International I was pretty good but the International II was like 500% better.
Well... I'd say if Na'Vi had won the game, people would have gone absolutely apeshit. But I agree, the end could have used some work.
On September 04 2012 04:32 Midas_ wrote: The tournament was nearly perfect but the final games could be better and the ending was really bad and awkward.
Lumi & LD: As much as I love their casting. They are just not very interactive with the crowd. Synderen and Toby on the other hand often involve the crowd ("Who do you think is going to take it?" etc.) I think there would be much more hype with toby. When it comes to the Grand Finals with a huge crowd play-by-play casting is more important than an analytical casting style.
The Ceremony: The game was barely over - suddenly GabeN was standing there: "BTW we have a huge party in the back, come join us." - "Ah, before I forget; here, take this Aegis, congrats" and then he vanishes completely leaving them without any epic music, without any konfetti or ceremony with a silent crowd that for the most part wanted Na'Vi.
But I'm sure Valve will do better next time. I thought the International I was pretty good but the International II was like 500% better.
That's because by game 2 the owners were already attempting to throw people out. This is why everyone said double elimination format was stupid and wouldn't work.
The venue wanted to throw out their clients...and therefore double elimination doesn't work. Huh? Obviously it takes more time, but that isn't a reason why it won't work.
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