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duckii
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany1017 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-04 07:28:21
March 04 2012 07:27 GMT
#1841
On March 03 2012 12:26 Candadar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2012 12:23 Kznn wrote:
On March 03 2012 12:15 Candadar wrote:
What is that voice saying when you try to cast a spell while silenced?



silence


Really? It sounds like jibberish to me ;_;

I believe it is the voice of GLaDOS from Portal
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
March 04 2012 08:48 GMT
#1842
...doesn't sound like glados at all lol, glados's voice was a bit lower and more robotic/less smooth. Even if its the same voice actor they modified the voices quite differently that its not really a comparison.
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TheWarbler
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1659 Posts
March 04 2012 18:19 GMT
#1843
On March 04 2012 09:20 Candadar wrote:
So I played one game of Earthshaker for once.

Holy fuck, that is quite easily the most fun hero in the game. What are also some great initiators? Holy fuck I just had a blast Blinking around, fucking everyone up with my stuns.

EDIT: And some good keybind setups? I just use QWER / 123456 but I feel there's something more efficient out there.


It is all about what works for you. I use a Logitec MX518 so all my inventory keys are on my mouse. I use QWER for skills. I know some Dota 1 players still use legacy keys for skills.
if you can believe you can concieve
Candadar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
2049 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-04 18:23:57
March 04 2012 18:23 GMT
#1844
On March 05 2012 03:19 TheWarbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2012 09:20 Candadar wrote:
So I played one game of Earthshaker for once.

Holy fuck, that is quite easily the most fun hero in the game. What are also some great initiators? Holy fuck I just had a blast Blinking around, fucking everyone up with my stuns.

EDIT: And some good keybind setups? I just use QWER / 123456 but I feel there's something more efficient out there.


It is all about what works for you. I use a Logitec MX518 so all my inventory keys are on my mouse. I use QWER for skills. I know some Dota 1 players still use legacy keys for skills.


I wanted to use my mouse, but it won't let me use my middle. =/

Currently swapped to V-2-3-4-T-Tab

Wish I could use middle mouse though to replace "2"

EDIT: Had a great game as ES and went Arcane Boots -> Dagger -> Urn -> Drum -> BKB -> Linkens

Thinking I should have skipped the Urn. Totally lost what to do after Dagger. I usually just grab whatever aura items and shit my team doesn't already have, like a Meka instead of Drum if necessary.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 04 2012 19:20 GMT
#1845
On March 05 2012 03:23 Candadar wrote:
Thinking I should have skipped the Urn. Totally lost what to do after Dagger. I usually just grab whatever aura items and shit my team doesn't already have, like a Meka instead of Drum if necessary.

Mekansm is awkward because after you Blink->Ult, your positioning might be such that it's hard to Mek all of your teammates. Or you might have to Mek just yourself before its useful for your whole team (Drums doesn't have this problem because you can activate it before you go in).

Medallion is often an offensive support item that can be useful. Force Staff is a support item that's good even in multiples. Defensive items aren't a bad idea for ES, like Ghost Scepter, Vitality Booster, Blade Mail, or Planeswalker's Cloak.
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LAN-f34r
Profile Joined December 2010
New Zealand2099 Posts
March 04 2012 20:38 GMT
#1846
After my blink, I normally either go pipe (prefered, but team may have it already), or shivas, as blinking in should give you the perfect positioning for it.
The only barrier to truth is the presumption that you already have it. It's through our pane (pain) we window (win though).
Candadar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
2049 Posts
March 05 2012 03:19 GMT
#1847
So I know this is a silly question, but is there anyone that BKB is NOT good on? I know there are a good number that it's by no means anything you rush in place of other more pertinent items, but is there anyone that, when things start to drag out past 50 minutes or whatever and I got most of my build, that it's a bad idea to get BKB at all? Or is it one of those things that it's never bad to get if you can?

I feel myself finally getting the mechanics of this game down to a solid level but am getting lost in all these items...;_;
LAN-f34r
Profile Joined December 2010
New Zealand2099 Posts
March 05 2012 05:40 GMT
#1848
I would say some hard carries (ie AM, void) could make better use of just pure DPS and survivability, and some people (ie omniknight, naix) have a BKB for free anyway. But it is a really solid item for any midgame fights where the other team has a lot of disables/nukes. Also - Tide is probably better off with pure hp, since kraken shell lets him do everything he needs - ultimate.

Also, ward bitches like veno and venge probably would prefer to eat stuns than force the enemy to stunlock the carry, probably can't afford to buy BKB, and if they get feed past buying just wards/smokes ect, manage to get mek/pipe ect, then also buy another luxury with hp (ie venge and veno ags), then BKB is probably good.

But when the hell do you see that
The only barrier to truth is the presumption that you already have it. It's through our pane (pain) we window (win though).
Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
March 05 2012 06:03 GMT
#1849
The reason you are asking that question is because there are very few items in the game that give +str(health) and (straight+)damage at the same time. It's like that for a reason though, cuz they would be too good otherwise. That's why when you get reallly behind you can stack bracers.

Items like drums, halberd, sange, armlet are really great and give some great side effects. BKB just happens to give magic immunity which is desirable to pretty much anyone.
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
March 05 2012 06:06 GMT
#1850
Some heroes want to be focused. Necrolyte comes to mind instantly since you can build Necrolyte in a way that presents a lose-lose situation to opponents. Do we want to take down this incredibly tanky Necro that's healing his whole team? Or do we try to take down his teammates that are getting constantly healed?

Chinese Alchemist doesn't really get BKB either, since Vanguard/Hood/Radiance/Shiva's coupled with his ult (used to be +1050 instead of +900 at level 16) makes him so hard to focus down--but he does a lot of damage at the same time.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
duckii
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany1017 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-05 06:28:02
March 05 2012 06:19 GMT
#1851
On March 05 2012 15:06 flamewheel wrote:
Some heroes want to be focused. Necrolyte comes to mind instantly since you can build Necrolyte in a way that presents a lose-lose situation to opponents. Do we want to take down this incredibly tanky Necro that's healing his whole team? Or do we try to take down his teammates that are getting constantly healed?

Chinese Alchemist doesn't really get BKB either, since Vanguard/Hood/Radiance/Shiva's coupled with his ult (used to be +1050 instead of +900 at level 16) makes him so hard to focus down--but he does a lot of damage at the same time.

after the BAT buff I find going AC on him core. It is the best complementary item for him.
Low armor? AC! Low BAT? AC! Acid Spray? AC helps to lower armor even more. :D
I think I'm in love.
*edit I also love Mjollnir on him for the insane attackspeed
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-05 06:59:02
March 05 2012 06:57 GMT
#1852
On March 05 2012 15:19 duckii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2012 15:06 flamewheel wrote:
Some heroes want to be focused. Necrolyte comes to mind instantly since you can build Necrolyte in a way that presents a lose-lose situation to opponents. Do we want to take down this incredibly tanky Necro that's healing his whole team? Or do we try to take down his teammates that are getting constantly healed?

Chinese Alchemist doesn't really get BKB either, since Vanguard/Hood/Radiance/Shiva's coupled with his ult (used to be +1050 instead of +900 at level 16) makes him so hard to focus down--but he does a lot of damage at the same time.

after the BAT buff I find going AC on him core. It is the best complementary item for him.
Low armor? AC! Low BAT? AC! Acid Spray? AC helps to lower armor even more. :D
I think I'm in love.
*edit I also love Mjollnir on him for the insane attackspeed

there is really no reason to get shivas over AC on alch x_x, and it has always been that way in every single game.

alch was always pretty much played the same radiance build, chinese variation gets the vanguard before radiance and then later on added using a cloak (hood is overkill unless you're building into pipe) since it was so gold efficient. the europeans used to rush radiance after the boots/rob but now everybody usually gets vanguard now so it's standard everywhere. AC is the natural progression after regen-tank-item+radiance+flavor-of-boots since it works so well with his abilities and weaknesses, it's really a no brainer

and mjolnir is actually a good item on him too, after at least a platemail. +80 attackspeed and BAT works wonders
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
March 05 2012 06:59 GMT
#1853
On March 05 2012 15:19 duckii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2012 15:06 flamewheel wrote:
Some heroes want to be focused. Necrolyte comes to mind instantly since you can build Necrolyte in a way that presents a lose-lose situation to opponents. Do we want to take down this incredibly tanky Necro that's healing his whole team? Or do we try to take down his teammates that are getting constantly healed?

Chinese Alchemist doesn't really get BKB either, since Vanguard/Hood/Radiance/Shiva's coupled with his ult (used to be +1050 instead of +900 at level 16) makes him so hard to focus down--but he does a lot of damage at the same time.

after the BAT buff I find going AC on him core. It is the best complementary item for him.
Low armor? AC! Low BAT? AC! Acid Spray? AC helps to lower armor even more. :D
I think I'm in love.
*edit I also love Mjollnir on him for the insane attackspeed

I personally agree with you on this since I view Alchemist as more of an offensive-based carry with the new reduction. Physical hits hurt so damn much with Cuirass.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
The Great Taste
Profile Joined January 2012
389 Posts
March 05 2012 12:51 GMT
#1854
On BKB, you wouldn't get it when you want to get focused, such as flamewheel talks about with necrolyte and alchemist.

Other examples would be death prophet, who you can build as a tank and note that her damage output from the ghosts is not affected by whether she is disabled or not, so you don't really need to get BKB.

Another example would be heroes like Axe, Centaur and Spectre. You don't want to scare them away from attacking you because you are supposed to tank the damage for the team. These heroes also do not really need the magic immunity due to counter helix, return or dispersion, which can punish the enemy team for focusing you down in a teamfight.

Also a hero like Tree maybe, who is again a megatank and doesn't really benefit from BKB. It shouldn't be difficult to get your ultimate off before being disabled.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-05 13:33:41
March 05 2012 13:33 GMT
#1855
On March 05 2012 15:06 flamewheel wrote:
Chinese Alchemist doesn't really get BKB either, since Vanguard/Hood/Radiance/Shiva's coupled with his ult (used to be +1050 instead of +900 at level 16) makes him so hard to focus down--but he does a lot of damage at the same time.

Doesn't Alchemist have some weird shit where his ult lets him just ignore all CCs during the transformation time?

How exactly does that work anyway? I just remembered it looked really funny in DotA 1 to have an Alchemist get knocked up into the air and shackled by Rhasta, but still be running around not giving a fuck.
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Altsa
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Finland990 Posts
March 05 2012 13:44 GMT
#1856
On March 05 2012 22:33 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2012 15:06 flamewheel wrote:
Chinese Alchemist doesn't really get BKB either, since Vanguard/Hood/Radiance/Shiva's coupled with his ult (used to be +1050 instead of +900 at level 16) makes him so hard to focus down--but he does a lot of damage at the same time.

Doesn't Alchemist have some weird shit where his ult lets him just ignore all CCs during the transformation time?

How exactly does that work anyway? I just remembered it looked really funny in DotA 1 to have an Alchemist get knocked up into the air and shackled by Rhasta, but still be running around not giving a fuck.

From the playdota hero page:
Chemical rage
• Has a 0.35 seconds transformation time.
• You can dodge stuns while transforming.

Basically you have to time it just right. However, Im not sure if it works in Dota 2. It is not mentioned in the Dota 2 wiki atleast. Something to test out I quess.
AoD
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
March 05 2012 13:58 GMT
#1857
On March 05 2012 22:33 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2012 15:06 flamewheel wrote:
Chinese Alchemist doesn't really get BKB either, since Vanguard/Hood/Radiance/Shiva's coupled with his ult (used to be +1050 instead of +900 at level 16) makes him so hard to focus down--but he does a lot of damage at the same time.

Doesn't Alchemist have some weird shit where his ult lets him just ignore all CCs during the transformation time?

How exactly does that work anyway? I just remembered it looked really funny in DotA 1 to have an Alchemist get knocked up into the air and shackled by Rhasta, but still be running around not giving a fuck.

Yeah but you have to be spot-on about it. Most of the time it's not worth waiting to pop your ultimate if there's a risk that you'll be chained into oblivion. Better to pop it before engaging and enjoy all the sexiness that ensues.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
March 05 2012 18:18 GMT
#1858
On March 05 2012 22:33 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2012 15:06 flamewheel wrote:
Chinese Alchemist doesn't really get BKB either, since Vanguard/Hood/Radiance/Shiva's coupled with his ult (used to be +1050 instead of +900 at level 16) makes him so hard to focus down--but he does a lot of damage at the same time.

Doesn't Alchemist have some weird shit where his ult lets him just ignore all CCs during the transformation time?

How exactly does that work anyway? I just remembered it looked really funny in DotA 1 to have an Alchemist get knocked up into the air and shackled by Rhasta, but still be running around not giving a fuck.

yeah that has to do with the wc3 engine. troll had the same thing, and also red sven now.
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gaymon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany1023 Posts
March 05 2012 19:03 GMT
#1859
Nearly every hero who has some kind of transformation ( lycan sylla etc. come to my mind in addition to those allready mentioned ) is able to dodge ability with the transformation.
scorch-
Profile Joined January 2011
United States816 Posts
March 05 2012 19:21 GMT
#1860
On March 05 2012 12:19 Candadar wrote:So I know this is a silly question, but is there anyone that BKB is NOT good on?


BKB is something you buy based on enemy team composition and your hero's role on your team, not as an absolute based on what hero you're playing.
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