[Hero] Invoker - Page 8

On July 12 2013 09:22 Firebolt145 wrote:
Refresher is certainly only gotten for fun and lulz. Even if you have a hex first, that late in the game, the enemies should all have BKBs making Refresher kinda mediocre for teamfights. At that point in a serious game, an item like MKB would help you contribute more with physical DPS.

The only times I'd consider Refresher a serious item is if
- The enemies have somehow completely forgotten to get >1 BKB.
- Your team doesn't need another source of physical DPS.
- You already have hex and/or are stomping the other guys.

In which case, Tornado > Meteor > Blast > Meteor > Blast > Ice Wall/EMP/Sunstrike/whatever is absolutely hilarious.

On July 30 2013 18:10 Gandalf wrote:
Why is the EW nuker build so rare in pubs? I personally find it to be far more effective than the EQ build; it has great solo ganking potential and equally impactful teamfight presence. Yet all I see, from my own games to page 1 live games to pro replays is EQ with a spattering of QW.

Second, what factors do you guys take into consideration when deciding on a build? I understand in some lanes quas requires more than one point, so you could go EQ, but assuming a lack of laning problems, what should determine your build?

Third, anyone got a replay for solid EW play? Not necessarily progamer level, but at least in very high.

In the other thread Firebolt145 wrote:
Sorry guys, but we have an official Invoker thread already. Please move this discussion there! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=370063

On February 05 2014 07:04 Sn0_Man wrote:

I really dislike this 1-thread per hero thing. I don't particularly care if it worked for the LoL subforum which seems to be your model, its awful for this one.

Oh well.

On February 05 2014 07:21 Sn0_Man wrote:
Most discussions are a lot more organic and need a relevant OP whereas this way you have to write a stupid guide for an OP and if you ever want to comment on the strategy of a hero you have to necro some 18 month old thread with an OP of varying quality in order to discuss something that has nothing to do with the OP's guide. Then people will come into the thread and comment on the OP having the wrong item choices since it was written 2 years and 4 major patches ago without even reading your comment or question regarding the ability of the hero to say do ancients at level 1 or whatever.

On February 05 2014 12:08 ZerG~LegenD wrote:
I hate the new system. Perhaps not the system so much as the mods killing good discussions because it did not conform the system.

On February 05 2014 02:43 Tookie22 wrote:
So in my never ending efforts to climb the solo mmr I've picked up Invoker as one of my go to heroes. I've been very effective with 4-0-4-1 build pre and post patch but the nerf definitely hurt. I'm wondering if there is a definitive new best play style. The play styles I've seen have been:

QE 2 forge spirit rush Invoker - the 6.79 standard and still powerful but perhaps not the sure best style anymore.

E max - Good vs squishy teams or if you have a lot of lockdown. Can easily 100-0 most heroes with euls sunstrike combo. Seems good but situational.

QW emp - This could be the new meta but I'm not totally sold yet. Provides incredible crowd control and mana drain at the expense of damage. Main downside is you can't really carry with this build. I've seen it played with an orchid ganking with ghost walk in midgame or a refresher for double emp.

I'm particularly interested in QW so if anyone had any tips on how to play it and what items to go that would be greatly appreciated. I feel kinda lost playing it and never know what to have invoked.

So what's the best play style In generalfor 6.80?Obviously it's situation dependent. If you're gonna say multiple at least say what situation you would use each in.

Thanks!

for reference the orchid build comes from here: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=223785269
and the refresher from here: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=221666376

On February 05 2014 02:49 Laserist wrote:
I see no noticeable difference, since the patch changes invoker was 6.79. Both exort or wex invoker can be still played as what they were. Exort for kill and lane dominance, also global presence and right click damage; while Wex is for mobility, teamfight and disables.

QW is not new and played commonly previously, maybe more before the tornada-emp nerf. Still viable in the hands of a good player.

On February 05 2014 02:53 Sn0_Man wrote:
I don't think people are giving enough credit to turbo-ghostwalk, that shit's insane IMO. Admittedly the mana cost is steep.

On February 05 2014 02:56 Tookie22 wrote:


I think the armor and range nerf on spirits made them much less appealing. As far as QW being commonly, I remember like a year ago it was but since the nerfs I haven't seem a single QW invoker. So should extort be the goto build for solo rmmr?

On February 05 2014 02:57 TheYango wrote:
Depends on the game and what your team needs. Both styles have their advantages, which is more appropriate for a given game depends heavily on the teamcomps (Laserist outlined when each is appropriate fairly clearly).

It is notable that in many cases, QW Invoker still maxes Exort first. This is because while EMP gives you powerful midgame timings, it's strength as a skill drops off lategame, and the later Wex ranks tend to be less useful than Exort (which has the highest overall increase in spell damage over ranks compared to the other skills).

On February 05 2014 03:05 Laserist wrote:
There was no point to go wex instead of exort until icefraud decided to buff emp. Even though mana cost are lower in qw, cooldowns are also lower too, which means mana drain relaxes qw invoker significantly. QW also gives immense initiation and zoning, if you have a good team setup with a strong dps but no initiation, that means qw invoker indeed in my book.
But in pubs, exort is a better choice overall since it gives you opportunity to go solo and control the game. QW relies teammates more than QW imo.

Edit: I forgot the base damage nerf which also force people to go exort in general. It is probably more relevant than the tornoda-emp thingy.

On February 05 2014 03:34 DucK- wrote:
I go either QW or QE depending on the game. If I see that my team has alot of setup for Sunstrike, I tend to go QE.

On February 05 2014 03:38 BlitzerSC wrote:
WE and u spam alacrity on yourself.
Quas regen is overrated, you can do without no problems.

edit: I'm serious btw, you should try it. Maybe it's not the best, but it's really good.