EPT"... set the stage nicely for OD to destroy everything" should be "... devour everything".
You're welcome.
[Hero] Outworld Devourer - Page 2
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Baozi
United States1191 Posts
"... set the stage nicely for OD to destroy everything" should be "... devour everything". You're welcome. | ||
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Maybe a Duck
Germany53 Posts
Also you can punish overextending opponents if they give you an opening. | ||
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Arcadia92
135 Posts
On February 01 2013 16:57 Maybe a Duck wrote: Im the first to admit im quite the noob as far as dota goes, however im wondering why everyobe says you should skip arcane orb till very late. While its true its very mana intensive and cant be sustained as a regular autoattack i found an early point in orb (between lv 1-4) always quite useful. For me it means i cant be denied a creep, even if imprisonment is on cd, cause i can manualy orb a creep for the last hit which does nearly always more damage than my opponent needs to deny. Also lasthitting under towers becomes quite a bit easier as it gives you the option to kill a creep before the tower does, which you sometimes couldnt achieve otherwise. Also you can punish overextending opponents if they give you an opening. OD should have better base dmg from astral straight from level 1 (and if the opponent is int he is screwed) so last hitting should not be a problem and you should not rely on arcane orb to do it, especially when you're level 1-4 and only have a single point in aura. Its a waste of mana to be using it on creeps and will reduce your mana pool in subsequent levels. The point in Orb should be taken at level 5/6 for zoning the opponent and getting a potential kill with your ultimate at 6/7. On occasion you'll also want to be go OP's build (Orbless) against certain mids. | ||
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LAN-f34r
New Zealand2099 Posts
The thing with early orb is that you simply cannot afford to run out of mana in the laning phase. It means either a) you have to go back to base or b) you let them have farm and use spells, or even zone you if they managed to keep up on levels and are decent at laning. Astral makes you | ||
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Unleashing
Denmark14978 Posts
Which is incredibly important for OD. | ||
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LAN-f34r
New Zealand2099 Posts
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Viruuus
Germany451 Posts
 Thanks for the guide, Ive never liked OD much, it seems I played him wrong for all those years (and the dotafire guides are crap =D) | ||
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unkkz
Norway2196 Posts
But i have seriously made several people ragequit by level 5 or something going mid against me on OD since well they can´t do anything lol. Severely underrated hero for atleast pub play. | ||
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MSGHero
United States147 Posts
On February 03 2013 03:40 unkkz wrote: I love OD, i so want to see him in some pro games, his damage is flat out retarded and he doesn´t need many items either to shine in early/mid game. He is actually my go to pub stomper hero and i have like a K/D ratio of like 5.0 on him since i can dominate pretty much anyone but Nyx and silencer in mid. I have to mention though that bloodseeker is actually a hero that is extremelly annoying as OD before you get BKB simply due to his long ass silence, even if it does increase your autoattack dmg. But i have seriously made several people ragequit by level 5 or something going mid against me on OD since well they can´t do anything lol. Severely underrated hero for atleast pub play. Someone played OD recently in D2L or Defense, forgot which. They got an omniknight to function as OD's bkb, which allowed him to get other items faster. I haven't played OD in months...maybe I will today I feel like he's too passive a mid for pubs since each lane requires a gank every 2 mins, and his gank potential is limited. | ||
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LAN-f34r
New Zealand2099 Posts
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GentleDrill
United Kingdom672 Posts
On February 03 2013 05:55 MSGHero wrote: Someone played OD recently in D2L or Defense, forgot which. They got an omniknight to function as OD's bkb, which allowed him to get other items faster. I haven't played OD in months...maybe I will today You mean both OD and Omni saw pro play recently, and in the same game? I need to see this. | ||
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Aelfric
Turkey1496 Posts
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Unleashing
Denmark14978 Posts
On February 04 2013 00:40 Aelfric wrote: I think the OD is best 1v1 lane hero in the game and maybe only Undying can win against him but i am not sure. How would undying win against him? I'd say lone druid is one of the few heroes that don't outright lose to him in 1v1 | ||
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B1nary
Canada1267 Posts
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34495 Posts
On February 04 2013 03:15 B1nary wrote: How should you "ration" your mana (i.e. when should you cast astral)? It's pretty expensive so you definitely can't use it whenever it's off cooldown right? Every minute? Every 30s? As long as you have your Essence Aura, spam it. Mana doesn't matter to you. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On February 04 2013 00:43 Unleashing wrote: How would undying win against him? I'd say lone druid is one of the few heroes that don't outright lose to him in 1v1 LD and Brood are close. If Soul Ring is allowed (usually isn't in 1v1 tournaments), Brood can win because OD can't outpush her and can't kill her before he loses towers (Soul Ring totally circumvents the lack of mana when using the active). Enchantress can win but it's really dependent on her playing her stronger level 1-2 really well, she loses control really fast if she plays those levels poorly. Bat also has kill potential at level 2, but the matchup also snowballs if fails to use this. But yes, OD is part of the short list of near-permaban heroes in 1v1 (LD, Brood, Skywrath Mage, Bane, OD, SD, Bat). Bans in 1v1 tournaments are frequently 5-6 of these. | ||
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Unleashing
Denmark14978 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On February 04 2013 05:06 Unleashing wrote: With soul-ring couldn't an enigma also do decently vs OD? Up till a point, obviously, once OD can sustain orb he can destroy enigma minions easily. Demonic Conversion costs more than 150 mana so Soul Ring by itself isn't actually enough to sustain it, which makes repeated usage really awkward once you've lost a lot of intel. Plus Broodmother isn't an Intel hero, so with spiderlings and her own attacks she can still lasthit against OD, whereas it's much harder for Enigma because he loses damage every time he gets Astral-ed. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
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LAN-f34r
New Zealand2099 Posts
Also, BKB isn't bought in pubs enough. Often you can wreck people who don't build BKB. But I guess it depends on the player. If you can't play him effectively, then of course you are going to fail. But if you are in low MMR, you can still probably destroy them if you are a bit better than them no matter what hero you are playing, and OD will hopefully teach you a fair bit about positioning, as well as making you practice last hitting, making him not a bad learning hero. | ||
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