On February 23 2016 11:25 Birdie wrote:
This hero is such cancer right now. Feels so hard to fight, most heroes take massive damage in the midgame before you can get bkb and with the right lineup you can never get to the OD while he just sits and whales on you.

It's strange, but I cannot play this hero whatsoever.

I lost to a Zeus mid and got completely demolished. Later on, my range was so poor that I get insta-stunned before I can even get enough Arcane Orbs off.

trinxified

Canada7774 Posts

February 24 2016 22:21 GMT

#223

The problem with this hero too is that even if you're running behind on networth (like even half of the top's networth), you're still a threat.

A few arcane orbs and a big ult is GG.

the bear jew

United States3674 Posts

February 25 2016 00:26 GMT

#224

On February 25 2016 07:13 Torte de Lini wrote:

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Zeus is decent in lane vs OD cause you have short range and he can harass you without risk. Get a stick, bottle, and ask for rotations, a few kills on zeus should put you ahead safely.

Or run him safelane in a dual lane shouldn't cripple your exp. Maybe have a semi jungler that can rotate back into lane or roam. That sounds ideal.

Kaj

Singapore269 Posts

February 25 2016 00:42 GMT

#225

ok listen. the key to beating zeus mid, or in fact destroying him is 1) a good block, 2) Aggressive positioning 3) salves.

I would say fuck the nulls tailsman and just get a wand in the beginning and ferry yourself 1-2 salves. The next part is you position yourself in front of the creep wave assuming its a neutral block, and just sit there. Take a few chain lightning whatever it doesnt matter matter. Make sure he has a hell of a time csing at lvl 1. What will happen when you do that is that if he tries to arc the creep, you wont be hit by it, but if he tries to arc you its extremely hard to cs the creep properly. So after like 6-7 arcs whatever, once the fucker is out of mana you just rape him, even if his bottle comes. And the most important thing is that you must ask your ally to help you control one of the runes, and you get the other, in case he gets something stupid like a regen rune.

BluemoonSC

SoCal8910 Posts

February 26 2016 00:29 GMT

#226

I think that's generally good advice for any int heroes you come up against. if you force them to rely on their spells for CSing bc you're taking away their right click, they run out of mana and life is good bc eventually they won't be able to CS how they want to.

ppl underestimate how much you take advantage of someone's lvl 1 weakness affects your laning. im just really starting to see this myself.

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

February 26 2016 01:02 GMT

#227

On February 26 2016 09:29 BluemoonSC wrote:
ppl underestimate how much you take advantage of someone's lvl 1 weakness affects your laning. im just really starting to see this myself.

It's actually why a lot of laning "counters" to the old OD were not as cut and dry as many people believed--OD has some of the best base stats of any hero in the game, and even if your skillset lined up well against him later on, being so much weaker at level 1 meant you could just be too far behind at that point anyway.

Kaj

Singapore269 Posts

February 26 2016 06:41 GMT

#228

laning 1v1 is really hero dependent on how much you can abuse the matchup at lvl 1, and how good your block is. Thats why TA vs WR/Queen is not as clear cut of a win for WR and Queen, where people believe that queen and wr has the clear matchup adv. It is really even actually, and even ta favored once it gets to the later levels.

But for OD, his current skill kit is so bad at abusing lvl 1, that theres not much mid heroes that he can abuse without being countered by a salve. Zues is just such an unique situation where his skill kit and od's match up perfectly for him to abuse the shit out of him in the lane. You cant do what you do as OD vs Zeus against someone like qop without being countered by a salve.

Kaj

Singapore269 Posts

February 26 2016 06:43 GMT

#229

If OD's orb wasnt so expensive mana wise at lvl 1, there are a few match ups where he can handily dominate. But because arcane orb is so expensive without higher levels of essence your lane dominance is limited to 4 orbs. and its just shit.

ChunderBoy

3242 Posts

February 26 2016 13:59 GMT

#230

veil for early game is the best imo

BluemoonSC

SoCal8910 Posts

February 26 2016 19:51 GMT

#231

wow this response is actually a shocker. I can't remember exactly where but pretty much every regular poster here agreed that there were better items out there for OD to pick up early.

is your reasoning bc you're beesa playing the carry or is the item going to be picking up in popularity real soon bc its super legit?

Kaj

Singapore269 Posts

February 26 2016 20:32 GMT

#232

Veil on OD is actually really legit. It has a good mix of hp regen which OD badly needs, MASSIVE int gain, Armor, and with this heavy spell casting meta, it is super good for team fights too. Basically witha veil, it allows OD to have quite some sustain in lane, and the best part is this item isnt even expensive at all.

BluemoonSC

SoCal8910 Posts

February 26 2016 20:43 GMT

#233

yeah I've always looked at it as only being useful when his ultimate is up, instead of it benefiting my team when the ultimate isn't.

I will say that HP regen is a major concern for an OD tho..ferrying salves allll the time.

Kaj

Singapore269 Posts

February 26 2016 21:13 GMT

#234

The good thing about OD is that, this hero is relatively item independent, in that any item really that makes him tanky works, and doesnt really affect his dps that much even if you make shit items. Literally against heavy magic burst lineups, an early pipe from od even just straight after treads aqulia wand, can actually let your team comfortably team fight and is super strong. Not to mention Hood isnt bad for OD at all against those lineups, and gives him what he needs HP regen.

ChunderBoy

3242 Posts

February 27 2016 04:40 GMT

#235

i think of it as 1.7k gold coz im gonna start with a null anyway
and it fixes my armour and gives hp regen, stuff od usually doesnt get

VandenPlause

United States37 Posts

September 29 2016 06:08 GMT

#236

Over 7 months since last OD post!

It looks like contrary to DotaBuff, pros are maxing Astral imprisonment first.

OD has seen some play in Mars, in what types of matchups does he thrive?

Is an early value point in Arcane Orb ever worth it (say level 5)?

Kaj

Singapore269 Posts

September 29 2016 06:56 GMT

#237

Ppl are maxing astral for good reason really

1) Arcane orbs when maxed is not sustainable now even with max aura without items.

2) Astral imprisonment is a really good nuke/wave clear at lvl 7 on effectively a 6 sec downtime, which ALSO denies XP, and allows you to push waves safely. It is extremely obnoxious to deal with in lane, like for example, you can p one wave with astral, then make the enemy last hit under their tower, and with how gay the range is, you astral them and make em miss out xp on at least 2 of the creep wave.

Early value point is arcane orb is a must. Most ppl go 1-2-1 into 1-4-1 into 1-4-4.

evanthebouncy!

United States12796 Posts

October 04 2016 17:52 GMT

#238

astral combos well with the "in meta" heros like kunkka, mirana, doubles as a save for drow, etc

Invictus

Singapore2697 Posts

February 11 2017 06:22 GMT

#239

Any way to learn how to mid/farm with this guy in the new patch? Haven't been playing a lot of dota and although OD is like my go to hero, he seems to lose mid to just basically anyone since astral range is horribly short. Even if i do get a good start i find myself always falling behind in networth if i don't pick up a midas.

I tend to build him as a fighter with like drums first major item then either forcestaff/rod but i find like my timings are so horribly bad that i rather just go forcestaff into pike so i can save people. Are there any good replays of ODs that i can learn from? Thanks!

Kaj

Singapore269 Posts

February 11 2017 07:20 GMT

#240

its not that difficult to farm with OD. U max astral, push out waves asap with it, and then head to ur 2 medium/hard camp and farm those, and get back to lane.

Personally, i like helm on OD, but you can just get his basic core of pike blink whatever and he will just farm relatively well too.