[Hero] Lycan - Page 18

On March 08 2014 03:53 Ayaz2810 wrote:
Hmm ok. I'll just have to make sure I'm popping wolves at 0:00 to avoid wasted time. And I guess my wolf micro needs to be perfect. As far as items, it sounds like I need to get in the habit of necro being a core item. Is there any reason to sell the medallion at any point? Or does it just help too much to get rid of? I'll follow your build and report back. Thank you sir!

On March 15 2014 02:18 Noya wrote:
rtz has shown that you can win a LAN deciding game by skipping boots until Necro3, why would you delay your must-have-asap Vlads for boots...

stout+RoP/QB start is mathematically superior to a Basi start.

On March 15 2014 02:39 Firebolt145 wrote:

Boots help with survivability against random roamers running into your jungle while you are weak and low in hp/mp in the beginning. Just because rtz pulls it off in one game when he's probably confident about his supports protecting him, with a low chance of the enemy ganking him, doesn't make it automatically better.

On March 15 2014 02:44 Firebolt145 wrote:
It won't always be only a BH.

On March 07 2014 13:08 KwarK wrote:
I've been experimenting with some stout shield hatchet openings since the lycan buff that makes rosh easier at lower levels. There are still some pretty severe mana issues and if you don't get the rosh you can't do much until you fix them but this is what I've been doing.

Starting
Stout Shield
Hatchet

Following
Ring of Protection

then any of these in whatever order it takes to make sure when you suicide you have as little gold as possible although I'm listing them in a loose order of priority
Sage's Mask
Boots
Ring of Regen
Morbid
Receipe
Smoke
Clarity

Summon wolves at -40 seconds. Use them to scout/deny runes. Summon wolves at +5 seconds in fountain. Leave fountain at 10 seconds to go to closest hard. If satyr's/trolls you win, gg game is easy, if birds game is moderate, if bears game is hard, if centaurs then fuck this shit it's hard and I won't get level 2 from doing it. If dire keep rolling hard, medium, medium making sure you hit that hard every minute on the dot. If radiant then hard, medium, hard.

You need to suicide all the time. Mid disappeared? Slash those wrists. Someone got an unknown rune? Life isn't worth living anymore. Offlaner disappeared? Time to write a note. You ought to waste very little gold each time if you have the mental maths to work out how to zero that gold first. Also at 1 and 2 you can buy anything and then sell it when you respawn with no loss if you get the timing right.

You should have your shopping list complete around the 8 minute mark at level 7 or 8 if things have gone well. Down the clarity, smoke up and run into rosh. You need the clarity to make sure you have enough mana to resummon wolves because without the medallion you will have mana issues and if your wolves expire and you have 120 mana you're pretty much fucked and running out of the rosh pit unsmoked when he's on 10% hp and you're near death is literally Hitler. You should go wolves/feral until after rosh imo because you basically can't ult anyway due to the mana issues. If you feel you'll have the mana for it due to a recent suicide then by all means take it but I generally try to skip it until the post rosh level.

Next item is necro 1-3 to solve your mana issues, before even treads. Split push like crazy, avoid teamfights and keep farming as in the OP. I generally follow that with AC if I want to keep taking towers and they don't have mass disables or bkb if I need a teamfight presence because the hard carry is underfarmed. After AC/bkb I pick up a basher/abby if the game goes that late but you should have won by then.

On March 15 2014 02:57 Noya wrote:


In which case you are dead regardless, and now you have 1 death and 450 gold invested in boots instead of a 2 min faster vlads.

Boots can be a situational pickup depending on which level of ganks do you expect, but it shouldn't be the default build if you are just farming free in the jungle for the first 6 minutes.



I just read this and it's exactly what I'm doing except for the boots part
no need to touch the easy camp at all, and clarity is an absolute must

On March 15 2014 02:51 hariooo wrote:
Right. That was an example.

On the balance of probability, how frequently is buying boots going to:

1. Save you from a gank before level 6? This is worth it.

2. Delay your Vlads by 1-2 minutes for no reason? Not worth it.

Any of the usual suspects that come into the jungle usually don't have trouble finishing off a Lycan <50% hp. Like I said, I don't really see how the few times boots saves a kill in jungle outweighs delaying Rosh the extra minute or two every single game.

On March 15 2014 06:09 Calanthe wrote:

(KwarK on wife's account): Several big elements to the boots decision. If you're suiciding or returning to the fountain regularly, which you will be if not bottle crowing which is likely in random pub games because the team and particularly the mid will get mad if you bottle crow as lycan, the boots shave a lot of time off of that. If random supports roam into the woods you will generally have boots when they don't which makes a huge difference in terms of how cautious you need to be. Again it comes down to the difference between pub games and pro games, if your supports are ready to roll in and protect you then you can be more aggressive with the jungling but I'm gonna keep buying my boots.

On March 15 2014 06:09 Calanthe wrote:

(KwarK on wife's account): Several big elements to the boots decision. If you're suiciding or returning to the fountain regularly, which you will be if not bottle crowing which is likely in random pub games because the team and particularly the mid will get mad if you bottle crow as lycan, the boots shave a lot of time off of that. If random supports roam into the woods you will generally have boots when they don't which makes a huge difference in terms of how cautious you need to be. Again it comes down to the difference between pub games and pro games, if your supports are ready to roll in and protect you then you can be more aggressive with the jungling but I'm gonna keep buying my boots.

On March 15 2014 13:23 hariooo wrote:


Well you mentioned "several" big elements but I'm seeing you mention just two, one of which I already talked about.

And now you're considering buying boots and a bottle to delay Vlads by 1075 gold? I'm not seeing the thinking here at all.

On December 28 2013 10:35 KwarK wrote:

Instapick Lycan and call jungle. If you want to be really pro have it be your name, that way people know and will instantly cede you the jungle because you called it before they even loaded. If they don't let you jungle then feed or something.