EPT[Hero] Lycan - Page 17
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Firebolt145
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Body_Shield
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Jotoco
Brazil1342 Posts
On March 04 2014 01:33 Body_Shield wrote: Kwark's waifu S2 | ||
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xxpack09
United States2160 Posts
On March 04 2014 01:33 Body_Shield wrote: Kwark's waifu large picture Where does that pic come from? I'm curious if there's more fanart in the same vein. | ||
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MrTortoise
1388 Posts
On February 19 2014 22:47 Ryder. wrote: Is it just me or do wolves consistently aggro jungle camps, even when I pull them back? It always feels like I micro them back and 2 seconds later they are being attacked again... tell them to attack your hero then queue them onto the creeps | ||
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Laurens
Belgium4541 Posts
Mud golems in particular just hate my wolves. They change back aggro every single time. I don't think it's an issue with proximity I think it's just the golems. I can toggle aggro fine on most other camps. | ||
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Lovely So Handsome
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Laurens
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Kreb
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Yea, I'm not saying you shouldnt splitpush when its available as an option, but people do it without considering why they do it or considering what pros and cons there are to dooing it. And definitely not considering the rest of the team and how they will fare 4v5. I mean, its not like Lycan doesnt have one of the sickest self-steriod-skills in the game and shits on so many heroes with only slows and no stuns... Oh wait lets only use it as escape when people come to defend the towers Im trying to take down!! Last Lycan I had ended the ~28min game as they were taking our rax at 0-X-0 KDA proclaiming that this is how the hero is supposed to be played (and obviously that the 4 of us were noobs for losing him the game). At almost 5k rating. | ||
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34490 Posts
On March 06 2014 18:25 Kreb wrote: Last Lycan I had ended the ~28min game as they were taking our rax at 0-X-0 KDA proclaiming that this is how the hero is supposed to be played (and obviously that the 4 of us were noobs for losing him the game). At almost 5k rating. Was it Kwark? | ||
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Laurens
Belgium4541 Posts
On March 06 2014 18:25 Kreb wrote: This must be one of the most misunderstood heroes in dota. Anytime anyone picks/randoms Lycan it seems that they think they are supposed to not fight a single fight (well, save from the obvious 3v1 kills or similar) and just run around the map killing towers. Yea, I'm not saying you shouldnt splitpush when its available as an option, but people do it without considering why they do it or considering what pros and cons there are to dooing it. And definitely not considering the rest of the team and how they will fare 4v5. I mean, its not like Lycan doesnt have one of the sickest self-steriod-skills in the game and shits on so many heroes with only slows and no stuns... Oh wait lets only use it as escape when people come to defend the towers Im trying to take down!! Last Lycan I had ended the ~28min game as they were taking our rax at 0-X-0 KDA proclaiming that this is how the hero is supposed to be played (and obviously that the 4 of us were noobs for losing him the game). At almost 5k rating. To be fair, the "ideal" Lycan game, in my opinion, is one where you get the early rosh uncontested before 10 mins, and take 3 towers in the next 2-3 minutes. At that point you've given your team enough money to be able to 4v5, and you can splitpush incredibly fast with Necro to get the remaining towers down. The enemy team is always torn between TPing to deal with Lycan or trying to dominate the 5v4 fight and do their own push. In solo queue they usually do something in between and end up getting wrecked. It's like the ultimate solo queue hero ^^ Everything is situational of course, if the other 4 heroes are incredibly bad at teamfighting you better go help I suppose. | ||
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Kreb
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Dont remember but probably not. :p Its not like that way of thinking is rare when it comes to various splitpush heroes. It happens all the time. Im just a bit more puzzled about it when it comes to Lycan. I mean as I said, look at his Ulti. Its. So. Fucking. Good. You put that on many other heroes and they enter godmode. Or you play ability draft, that shit is first pick material for carry heroes. But people actually dont use it. It makes more sense for something like a Furion to not join fights because his teamfight contribution is like sprout on one guy and auto attacks while being pretty easily killed himself. But Lycan... | ||
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woreyour
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On March 06 2014 19:50 Kreb wrote: Dont remember but probably not. :p Its not like that way of thinking is rare when it comes to various splitpush heroes. It happens all the time. Im just a bit more puzzled about it when it comes to Lycan. I mean as I said, look at his Ulti. Its. So. Fucking. Good. You put that on many other heroes and they enter godmode. Or you play ability draft, that shit is first pick material for carry heroes. But people actually dont use it. It makes more sense for something like a Furion to not join fights because his teamfight contribution is like sprout on one guy and auto attacks while being pretty easily killed himself. But Lycan... unless the enemy heroes dont have stun (multiple) or you already have bkb or just plain stupid not to focus you or you have reliable teammates with disables thats just 4 reasons I can think on top of my head, 4 simple scenarios but then you can take the safe bet of just pushing towers instead of contimplating whether to fight them and commit or waste your time with your team with no one else tanking or exchanging disables. 4:1 ration is not hard to decide unless you are sure to win that fight( even with BKB) | ||
KwarK
United States42594 Posts
Starting Stout Shield Hatchet Following Ring of Protection then any of these in whatever order it takes to make sure when you suicide you have as little gold as possible although I'm listing them in a loose order of priority Sage's Mask Boots Ring of Regen Morbid Receipe Smoke Clarity Summon wolves at -40 seconds. Use them to scout/deny runes. Summon wolves at +5 seconds in fountain. Leave fountain at 10 seconds to go to closest hard. If satyr's/trolls you win, gg game is easy, if birds game is moderate, if bears game is hard, if centaurs then fuck this shit it's hard and I won't get level 2 from doing it. If dire keep rolling hard, medium, medium making sure you hit that hard every minute on the dot. If radiant then hard, medium, hard. You need to suicide all the time. Mid disappeared? Slash those wrists. Someone got an unknown rune? Life isn't worth living anymore. Offlaner disappeared? Time to write a note. You ought to waste very little gold each time if you have the mental maths to work out how to zero that gold first. Also at 1 and 2 you can buy anything and then sell it when you respawn with no loss if you get the timing right. You should have your shopping list complete around the 8 minute mark at level 7 or 8 if things have gone well. Down the clarity, smoke up and run into rosh. You need the clarity to make sure you have enough mana to resummon wolves because without the medallion you will have mana issues and if your wolves expire and you have 120 mana you're pretty much fucked and running out of the rosh pit unsmoked when he's on 10% hp and you're near death is literally Hitler. You should go wolves/feral until after rosh imo because you basically can't ult anyway due to the mana issues. If you feel you'll have the mana for it due to a recent suicide then by all means take it but I generally try to skip it until the post rosh level. Next item is necro 1-3 to solve your mana issues, before even treads. Split push like crazy, avoid teamfights and keep farming as in the OP. I generally follow that with AC if I want to keep taking towers and they don't have mass disables or bkb if I need a teamfight presence because the hard carry is underfarmed. After AC/bkb I pick up a basher/abby if the game goes that late but you should have won by then. | ||
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Laurens
Belgium4541 Posts
What you listed is basically MIcrosoft's build but without starting tangos, which will result in more suicides. He gets away with only 1 suicide at lvl 4 (3 if jungle is bad). I've been doing that build for a while and it's pretty great. | ||
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hrough
Germany212 Posts
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Ayaz2810
United States2763 Posts
EDIT: My first and only suicide is usually at level 2 because I fucked up the camps. Or at level 3 because I don't have any HP or MP left. This seems like it's kind of early. Yes? No? | ||
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34490 Posts
First item bash is decent if you need the lockdown because your team doesn't have enough or you're against super mobile heroes, and you actually need to be present at every teamfight to help your team. Otherwise I always default to necro3 since it's just so damn good. Maelstrom is bad, don't ever go for it. Daedalus is kinda meh. BKB is good if you need it. In most of my games I end up with Vlads/Medallion/Treads/Necro3/AC/Abyssal, in that order, but throw in a BKB or get an earlier basher if necessary. | ||
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Ayaz2810
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