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Mlcrosoft1
Profile Joined January 2014
Croatia26 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-24 03:01:18
January 24 2014 02:59 GMT
#281
you can watch mine replays guys, there's plenty to choose from

http://dotabuff.com/matches/481439202 (check tower damage statistic rofl)

http://dotabuff.com/players/98818567/matches?hero=lycan&game_mode=&match_type=real
Jetaap
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France4814 Posts
January 24 2014 18:50 GMT
#282
After playing lycan a lot more recently (7/3) i think one thing that is extremely important late game is to scout with your wolves, it's so usefull to be able to keep vision on an important target at all time.
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14893 Posts
January 24 2014 20:13 GMT
#283
After playing a couple games of this, this strat is definitely more viable when there's a passive jungler like doom or furion on their team. If they run a dual lane in the offlane, one unfortunate rotation when you're on your second camp can really fuck you
robaq
Profile Joined December 2011
Poland186 Posts
January 24 2014 21:09 GMT
#284
Smart play and wards will let you do your job even in a 2-1-2 situation. I think agressive trilanes are the ultimate counter to Lycan, thats why i never would bother drafting him in CM.
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Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4541 Posts
January 29 2014 11:46 GMT
#285
Thoughts on the patch?

Things that affect Lycan:

+ Show Spoiler +
Lycan
Wolves Fade Time decreased from 3 to 1.7
Level 3 Lycan Wolves now have Invisibility
Level 4 Lycan Wolves now have a passive ability that gives them 15 HP regen

Roshan no longer stops upgrading his hp/damage/armor at 45 minutes
Roshan upgrade rate increased by 20%
Roshan bounty rescaled from 105-600 to 150-400

Necronomicon
Necronomicon units bounty increased from 100/125/150 to 100/150/200
Necronomicon units armor reduced from 6/8/10 to 4
Necronomicon cooldown increased from 80 to 95

Smoke of Deceit
Duration decreased from 40 to 35


Very happy with the 15 HP regen. It makes a lvl 7 rosh with Microsoft's build a lot easier. It wasn't very hard to begin with but sometimes unlucky bashes could kill your wolves quickly, now it seems hilariously easy to take him down.

Does the bounty rescaling mean that an early rosh will now give more money or do I read that wrong?

Upgrade rate shouldn't matter much, smoke nerf is not a problem either.

Necro nerf though :'(
Cooldown increase makes me sad.
Mlcrosoft1
Profile Joined January 2014
Croatia26 Posts
January 29 2014 13:18 GMT
#286
i think hes worse, 15 hp regen isn't good enough compared to nerfs on necro etc
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42654 Posts
January 29 2014 13:30 GMT
#287
Nothing wrong with going basher+AC in place of necro.
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Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4541 Posts
January 29 2014 14:40 GMT
#288
Anything you do different when you go that build?

I mean do you attempt to splitpush and have all towers down by +- 25 min or do you try to force teamfights when you're a bit more farmed than the enemy?

I've always gone necro 3 so far, I think I will continue to do so after the patch, see how it goes.
Darpa
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada4413 Posts
January 30 2014 04:48 GMT
#289
I cant seem to have enough for sages mask. I get both easy camps, then the medium camp. get boots and die, seem to about 2:40ish, then i run out and get the hard and medium camps. and I always seem to end up with around 310, 315 without mana to resummon or gold for the mask..not sure why? also what do I do after? do I suicide again to get the mask or run back?
"losers always whine about their best, Winners go home and fuck the prom queen"
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42654 Posts
January 30 2014 05:39 GMT
#290
On January 30 2014 13:48 Darpa wrote:
I cant seem to have enough for sages mask. I get both easy camps, then the medium camp. get boots and die, seem to about 2:40ish, then i run out and get the hard and medium camps. and I always seem to end up with around 310, 315 without mana to resummon or gold for the mask..not sure why? also what do I do after? do I suicide again to get the mask or run back?

Are you summoning wolves in fountain after the death for the hard camp? You should be getting them low at the hard, losing them at the medium and resummoning your first there. Then sage's get courier + sages while you do hard again. Your suicide/wait for courier decisions depend upon your hp, whether the courier is flying and in use. If you're being cautious in the jungle you might wish to just get low and suicide again rather than risk wandering around low although if you're doing that I favour a ring of regen before sage's because once you're 5 or so the wolves won't be dying to the creeps so your full mana from fountain will last you much longer.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42654 Posts
January 30 2014 05:39 GMT
#291
On January 29 2014 23:40 Laurens wrote:
Anything you do different when you go that build?

I mean do you attempt to splitpush and have all towers down by +- 25 min or do you try to force teamfights when you're a bit more farmed than the enemy?

I've always gone necro 3 so far, I think I will continue to do so after the patch, see how it goes.

Still splitpush, just dive harder whenever 1-2 people try and stop you because it's gonna take more than that to kill you and medallion + a bash means they're dead.
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Darpa
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada4413 Posts
January 30 2014 22:15 GMT
#292
On January 30 2014 14:39 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2014 13:48 Darpa wrote:
I cant seem to have enough for sages mask. I get both easy camps, then the medium camp. get boots and die, seem to about 2:40ish, then i run out and get the hard and medium camps. and I always seem to end up with around 310, 315 without mana to resummon or gold for the mask..not sure why? also what do I do after? do I suicide again to get the mask or run back?

Are you summoning wolves in fountain after the death for the hard camp? You should be getting them low at the hard, losing them at the medium and resummoning your first there. Then sage's get courier + sages while you do hard again. Your suicide/wait for courier decisions depend upon your hp, whether the courier is flying and in use. If you're being cautious in the jungle you might wish to just get low and suicide again rather than risk wandering around low although if you're doing that I favour a ring of regen before sage's because once you're 5 or so the wolves won't be dying to the creeps so your full mana from fountain will last you much longer.



ok thanks, seem to be getting it to work now. Finished rosh at 12:28 and level 12. Although Im finding in actual games the time is later because the courier is being used and/or people harass you in the jungle.
"losers always whine about their best, Winners go home and fuck the prom queen"
Darpa
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada4413 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-31 02:27:11
January 30 2014 22:57 GMT
#293
Holy god.... I cant believe how well that worked, just had a game where everyone left me alone. finished the game 12-3, got 3 roshans, level 24, next highest was level 18. By the end could stand and man fight whole team with bkb, AC, Abysall, treads, and Rapier.

Was able to smash pudge 6 times with medallion, never really realized how good that item is.

edit. Had my first loss, team fed alot, but also Ursa took Rosh faster than me, threw me off. I was still almost able to take the game back but 2 members of my team went afk
"losers always whine about their best, Winners go home and fuck the prom queen"
xSJx
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada50 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-31 06:01:36
January 31 2014 03:25 GMT
#294
I just had a game where the enemy warded small camp AND one of the medium camps. What the fuck are you supposed to do then? Give up and lane? lol

Edit: with 15 hp/sec on the wolves, roshan is really easy to kill at level 7 with just vlads. Waiting until you have medallion might be overkill. Thoughts?
Liebig
Profile Joined August 2010
France738 Posts
January 31 2014 06:12 GMT
#295
On January 31 2014 12:25 xSJx wrote:
I just had a game where the enemy warded small camp AND one of the medium camps. What the fuck are you supposed to do then? Give up and lane? lol

Edit: with 15 hp/sec on the wolves, roshan is really easy to kill at level 7 with just vlads. Waiting until you have medallion might be overkill. Thoughts?

Medallion helps you killing roshan faster, whereas the regen just helps you sustain the damage but doesn't make it faster, do you might get discovered because you took too long :o
Mi.rai
Profile Joined October 2010
178 Posts
January 31 2014 06:39 GMT
#296
Roshan is weaker at 7min compared to like 13mins.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34491 Posts
January 31 2014 07:39 GMT
#297
It doesn't take six minutes to farm a Medallion.
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Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4541 Posts
January 31 2014 08:37 GMT
#298
Oh man, I didn't immediately see the hilariously long title and thought the thread got removed :O
Darpa
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada4413 Posts
February 03 2014 20:18 GMT
#299
How do you deal with harass? ive been getting harassed so badly in the jungle when I do this lately, messing up timings.
"losers always whine about their best, Winners go home and fuck the prom queen"
ShmeeZZy
Profile Joined January 2012
United States254 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-05 00:38:14
February 04 2014 17:22 GMT
#300
On January 31 2014 12:25 xSJx wrote:
I just had a game where the enemy warded small camp AND one of the medium camps. What the fuck are you supposed to do then? Give up and lane? lol


Called a magic bush ward when they block two camps with one ward.
One of the easier locations to deward imo. Ask a support to help you with a sentry ward. Make sure they don't block another camp with it though. In the meantime, you can either work on the other camps or lane I guess.
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