On January 18 2014 05:21 Jetaap wrote: I lost a game while jungling lycan eventhough i had a kotl feeding me mana and even a treant giving me armor.. I don't know how it was even possible, my teamates died a lot but still i feel i should have been able to bring it back , now 0-3 with lycan in ranked . I went necro before they were 5 manning around, i thought i would need to split push but that was not enough my teamates kept dying to their 5 man.
If you linked a replay we could take a look and give you advice.
Here is the link to the match profile: http://dotabuff.com/matches/472300784 In hindsight I think i know what went wrong for the most part, first I was not able to get a quick roshan (they were camping the river and my smoke got revealed), then i got my necro 3 delayed by 3 min because I got the courrier killed. I should have probably farmed more but my teamates were dying so much i felt i had to do something but in the end it meant that I was not able to snowball and bring the game back... Maybe i should have gone for carry items as well because the split push clearly didnt work. AC may have been a good choice since they had high hp heroes with low armor. All i all i definitely feel like I should have farmed way faster earlier with the help i got but they were extremely agressive in the midgame and did not leave me enough space.
It's just so much better than normal solo queue dota.
Laning issues early? Fuck you guys I'm dog in tree. Team feeding early? Fuck that, I get my farm elsewhere, brb roshing and highest level in game. Can't win teamfights? Fuck you guys, I'm split pushing. Teamfight went awfully? Fuck you guys, I'm max move speed. Got caught split pushing? Fuck those guys, I'm going home.
On January 19 2014 08:52 KwarK wrote: It's just so much better than normal solo queue dota.
Laning issues early? Fuck you guys I'm dog in tree. Team feeding early? Fuck that, I get my farm elsewhere, brb roshing and highest level in game. Can't win teamfights? Fuck you guys, I'm split pushing. Teamfight went awfully? Fuck you guys, I'm max move speed. Got caught split pushing? Fuck those guys, I'm going home.
On January 19 2014 08:52 KwarK wrote: It's just so much better than normal solo queue dota.
Laning issues early? Fuck you guys I'm dog in tree. Team feeding early? Fuck that, I get my farm elsewhere, brb roshing and highest level in game. Can't win teamfights? Fuck you guys, I'm split pushing. Teamfight went awfully? Fuck you guys, I'm max move speed. Got caught split pushing? Fuck those guys, I'm going home.
Supports trading lack of farm with you in jungle? Fuck you guys, afk in well. This hero is so much less fun, when supports fuck with you.
On January 20 2014 23:50 Jetaap wrote: So what do you do if the ennemy team has a clock? It's going to be very hard to get your rosh solo with rocket scouting the pit
with most known solo rosh heroes, like ursa and lycan. you have to smoke there & hope that ur team keeps the enemy busy. stuff like antimage/morphling get a more subtle rosh. antimage can have a 15min treads/fury/vlads/pms/quelling in a free farm lane, and he merely blinks into the pit. morphling only rly needs something like a wraithband/treads/hotd and around level 9 he can solo rosh, he can wave into the pit. drow can solo rosh too with just max frost arrows / treads I believe, you have to smoke there tho, but most of the times enemies wont expect u to be solo roshing anyway.
My MMR sucks, I'm, not claiming that I'm great or the most efficient nor do I want to compare how fast I can kill rosh with 2 regen runes against bots. I think the takeaway here is that as long as you do something quasi efficient in the jungle, at most <5000 MMRs, you'll have an advantage vs your opponents.
I spawn wolves ASAP after denying any runes that my teammates won't take. I start with the Medium camp, and a lot of the time I'm able to kill it before 1:00, which gives me a nice start. I rarely use the small camp unless no mediums are spawned (i've killed them both) and I can't yet kill the hard camps.
Using your wolves to tank when they are about to time out is key.
I have recently been playing with Basi first, before that I was going QB/RoP/Tango -> Basi -> Vlad -> Medallion. Finding a good time to die is important, but its really camp dependent, I often do it after I get regen ring & the vlads recipe, just depends on when things make sense. If you've got a non-bottle mid and a regen rune spawns near your jungle, you just got ton of help.
Don't be scared to take the mid lane if you have a ganking mid.
If the other team screws you over in the jungle more than 1 time, I hope you have a team composition which allows you to lane.
Was surprised by the Deso hatred in this thread. I obviously think it's really good, the buildup is useful, and its a good choice if you aren't sure if you'll be split pushing or team fighting.
Axe, Briste, Omni, Bloodseeker, and Bane are the worst enemies.
The problem with Deso is that for roughly the same -Armor as AC, there's never a point where you'd want to buy an item that's only damage, whereas attack speed and Armor are much higher-demand stats for Lycan because all the other items you'll usually get (BKB, Abyssal, Heart, etc.) tend to give you damage or HP, which means you need attack speed/armor to give you balanced stats.
It's 40% more -Armor than AC, but of course requires that you hit them. You make some good points... time to experiment some more. AC probably helps the team more.. and as you can see, I'm not reliant on BKB very much at all. Maybe Necro for Pushing or AC for fighting would be the best for my playstyle.
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