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On February 05 2014 02:22 ShmeeZZy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2014 12:25 xSJx wrote:
I just had a game where the enemy warded small camp AND one of the medium camps. What the fuck are you supposed to do then? Give up and lane? lol
Called a magic bush ward when they block two camps with one ward. One of the easier locations to deward imo. Ask a support to help you with a sentry ward. Make sure they don't block another camp with it though. In the meantime, you can either work on the other camps or lane I guess. + Show Spoiler [ward location] +
i think it's really stupid that that spot blocks those two camps. makes no sense imo.
one of the things I've noticed is that when I immediately pick Lycan in all pick is the enemies will choose bloodseeker. since you can get a bit low in the early game jungle, if the bloodseeker goes to the lane where all your camps are, he can use thirst to hunt you down and kill your face, screwing up your early game. I've had to be more aware of where the enemy BS is at all times...
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On February 12 2014 15:48 LeeDawg wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 02:22 ShmeeZZy wrote:On January 31 2014 12:25 xSJx wrote:
I just had a game where the enemy warded small camp AND one of the medium camps. What the fuck are you supposed to do then? Give up and lane? lol
Called a magic bush ward when they block two camps with one ward. One of the easier locations to deward imo. Ask a support to help you with a sentry ward. Make sure they don't block another camp with it though. In the meantime, you can either work on the other camps or lane I guess. + Show Spoiler [ward location] + i think it's really stupid that that spot blocks those two camps. makes no sense imo. one of the things I've noticed is that when I immediately pick Lycan in all pick is the enemies will choose bloodseeker. since you can get a bit low in the early game jungle, if the bloodseeker goes to the lane where all your camps are, he can use thirst to hunt you down and kill your face, screwing up your early game. I've had to be more aware of where the enemy BS is at all times...
Yeah, the spawn box on the large camp is just ridiculously big, it's so easy to block by mistake. It really sucks since there is no such weakness in the dire jungle (though the dire jungle obviously have the problematic radiant pull on the top lane).
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The dire hard camp near the lane is huge as well. The offlane can block it and place a legitimate vision ward at the same time. I do think Dire jungle is a bit better, especially with the convenient 2x med + hard cycle for junglers, but there are tradeoffs.
In other news, I just witnessed a brown-boots->blink->aghs Lycan. I have no idea what his plan was, but it didn't work. Lycan's ult doesn't even upgrade with aghs afaik.
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He thought he was playing brew.
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One thing I have trouble with as lycan is in team fights. The enemy constantly tries to kite you. Generally it isn't nearly as bad if you have allies on your team who are also strength/melee, but most allies these days play heroes like invoker/weaver/mirana etc and they want to run as soon as they break a nail.
My issue is, with the constant kiting and me often taking constant damage, I find I want to keep eating stuff to keep my vlads regen going, and also since lycan attacks really fast with AC + inner beast, I want to just stay put and keep fighting whoever comes to the front. This also happens when im pushing towers in particular, they run up to so they can pull aggro from you and the creeps, i can chase or I keep hitting tower. Usually I keep hitting tower since lycan rips through it.
This issue prompts me to want to change into a wolf so to chase down targets but through experience I have learned that generally its not a good idea to use wolf form if A) its near the start of a fight and not the end or B) you still have Aegis.
I guess abyssal is a good idea for the simple reason that you can lock them in place to eat them, rather than rely on lucky bashes. My problem with Abyssal is its expensive and either I want bkb or AC and usually both. Basher I have discovered is my favourite lycan item (apart from vlads). My question is therefore, should I get Abyssal before AC? So go basher + BKB (70% of the time) + Relic?
Recently I have been going vlads > smoke + boots > Rosh @lvl 7 > Treads + tp > start pushing towers > Hyperstone > bkb if needed otherwise delay it till after basher and if bkb not needed at all, then finish AC after Basher. The quick hyperstone works nicely with the treads+inner beast+wolf base attack time/crits early on.
Anyway, any advice for me would be great!
Here are some of my recent lycan games for anyone interested. I'm around 4kmmr.
http://dotabuff.com/matches/517172613
http://dotabuff.com/matches/520146294
http://dotabuff.com/matches/518101129
http://dotabuff.com/matches/515846636
Thanks!
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On February 14 2014 22:13 SgtSlick wrote:One thing I have trouble with as lycan is in team fights. The enemy constantly tries to kite you. Generally it isn't nearly as bad if you have allies on your team who are also strength/melee, but most allies these days play heroes like invoker/weaver/mirana etc and they want to run as soon as they break a nail. My issue is, with the constant kiting and me often taking constant damage, I find I want to keep eating stuff to keep my vlads regen going, and also since lycan attacks really fast with AC + inner beast, I want to just stay put and keep fighting whoever comes to the front. This also happens when im pushing towers in particular, they run up to so they can pull aggro from you and the creeps, i can chase or I keep hitting tower. Usually I keep hitting tower since lycan rips through it. This issue prompts me to want to change into a wolf so to chase down targets but through experience I have learned that generally its not a good idea to use wolf form if A) its near the start of a fight and not the end or B) you still have Aegis. I guess abyssal is a good idea for the simple reason that you can lock them in place to eat them, rather than rely on lucky bashes. My problem with Abyssal is its expensive and either I want bkb or AC and usually both. Basher I have discovered is my favourite lycan item (apart from vlads). My question is therefore, should I get Abyssal before AC? So go basher + BKB (70% of the time) + Relic? Recently I have been going vlads > smoke + boots > Rosh @lvl 7 > Treads + tp > start pushing towers > Hyperstone > bkb if needed otherwise delay it till after basher and if bkb not needed at all, then finish AC after Basher. The quick hyperstone works nicely with the treads+inner beast+wolf base attack time/crits early on. Anyway, any advice for me would be great! Here are some of my recent lycan games for anyone interested. I'm around 4kmmr. http://dotabuff.com/matches/517172613http://dotabuff.com/matches/520146294http://dotabuff.com/matches/518101129http://dotabuff.com/matches/515846636Thanks!
I wouldn't worry too much about it. An enemy who is kiting you is an enemy not doing any damage to anyone, so as long as it's not a support who has no impact on the teamfight anyway, keeping them running is probably not too bad. Focus on their most impactful hero and let the rest of your team clean the rest while you chase the problematic hero.
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Almost any time I do this now, I almost always get my camps warded and end up on lane, because supports wont deward ><
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On February 16 2014 01:37 Darpa wrote:
Almost any time I do this now, I almost always get my camps warded and end up on lane, because supports wont deward ><
Supports in plural? If you are jungling a core like lycan in a pub you have ensured that your team only has one support and between observers, chicken and flying chicken chances of him being able to afford to spend even more gold on sentries are slim.
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And that, my friends, is why I hate junglers.
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United States42609 Posts
Don't be afraid to deward yourself if you have to, but equally you should always have camps available to you.
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On February 16 2014 06:16 KwarK wrote:
Don't be afraid to deward yourself if you have to, but equally you should always have camps available to you.
Its more the first few minutes that matter tho. I mean if they ward a camp at level 5 who cares. But when they come in and ward at level 1 and they block your easy camp, makes it real tough to get the levels and farm you need as fast as normal. And you wont have the money to buy a sentry ward at level 1
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United States42609 Posts
You can still do mediums and hards at 1, it just messes with your timings a little and forces you to return to the fountain.
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Just have to say, Lycan is indeed ridiculously powerful in pubs. Unless the enemy absolutely devotes effort into the early game towards stopping my jungling, usually the outcome is a victory. Even then, sometimes because they've spent so much time and resources on their heroes to stop me from farming, my other teammates as a result benefit. I've won games against enemies who were leaps ahead of our team in terms of exp and gold simply by ratting them to death.
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Thanks to the regen buff lycans wolves got, he can take rosh before finishing his vlads. If you go straight morbid after the 2nd sages mask you can take rosh.
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Don't you always complete vlads before lvl 7 anyway?
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Shit. Urm, I think you get 7 just before? I can't remember, I hadn't thought of that part...
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Perhaps it is best to finish medallion before vlads then, so you get the quicker rosh earlier?
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If you really want a quicker rosh I'd look into MIcrosoft's build from one of the early pages in this thread. With a good jungle I can quite consistently get aegis at 8:30. Even annoying jungles with lots of centaurs and ursas get aegis before 10.
The tradeoff is bad mana regen and no ult in the pit.
edit: also no boots in pit.
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Correction, the invoker on the other team showed my trying to rosh at 7:30 doesnt work :c
EDIT: Died trying to rosh, invoker walks in to finish him and take aegis. GG : D
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Is it just me or do wolves consistently aggro jungle camps, even when I pull them back? It always feels like I micro them back and 2 seconds later they are being attacked again...
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