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PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32754 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-12 16:15:02
June 12 2019 15:51 GMT
#6701


Matu is benched by Liquid and I assume leaving once the contract is over. Feels sad to see one of the longest lasting Dota teams lose a member. With Epicenter and TI coming up real soon, I wonder who they will pick up.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
June 12 2019 15:54 GMT
#6702
yeah just saw it as well and was about to post. Pretty shocked tbh. It just doesn't feel like a "liquid" thing... that being said if the players themselves thought they need the change you can't just tell them that they're not allowed to make a change.
So I assume this is really them making that decision themselves because they're not happy with their results...

Sad day for us Liquidfans
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
juuto
Profile Joined January 2014
809 Posts
June 12 2019 15:55 GMT
#6703
Losing Matu is extremely sad but it makes sense.

He's a very good player but his ability to do what he's best at is very patch dependent. I think he's played very well this season but that's mainly when Ursa was good which he no longer is which means Matu kinda doesn't do his job.
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
June 12 2019 15:59 GMT
#6704
Although it really feels like it has been a long time coming it still hurts
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
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Oukka
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Finland1683 Posts
June 12 2019 16:06 GMT
#6705
Goodbye Matu. You gave many a good moment for finnish fans! thanks for all.
I play children's card games and watch a lot of dota, CS and HS
YBBUB
Profile Joined September 2018
70 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-12 16:20:11
June 12 2019 16:18 GMT
#6706
WTH! Shocked it's so late - close to TI like last year EG/OG thing.
Well they couldn't win TI9 playing same playstyle relying on Miracle- as win condition every damn game, with Matu playing 'sacrificial' carry or some niche mid.

I suppose they understood 2nd at Paris Disney major only masked their problems & they realised they hit the wall at Epi EU qualifier group stage? <where even NInoff wrote a shoutout in OG thread being proffesional>

But sheesh when probable top 6 at TI is not good enough & have to take more high risk to improve? whew

edit: I still think Matu could play the real carry - best of luck to all the players!
juuto
Profile Joined January 2014
809 Posts
June 12 2019 16:22 GMT
#6707
Matu wasn't that good of a "real carry" during the time Miracle was on OG though. He only ever won me over as a sacrificial carry player.
YBBUB
Profile Joined September 2018
70 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-12 16:54:17
June 12 2019 16:44 GMT
#6708
ok he can't play Sven the Rogue Knight, but I'm sure he can still be a win-condition hero, how else would TL be one of the favourites going into TI6 with Fata- mid?

Edit: Rant: People (esp. reddit) complain about wanting a DPC total rulebook of very rule, but this is another reason why it's so hard to make all the rules upfront.

The previous discretionary way was better & I would make TL not direct-qualified for TI.
juuto
Profile Joined January 2014
809 Posts
June 12 2019 17:38 GMT
#6709
I just realized, I never watched TI7's True Sight because I dunno I thought it'd be overwhelming. Now I can't even watch it without knowing that Heen and Matu are gone now. Maybe mistakes were made...
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34504 Posts
June 12 2019 17:40 GMT
#6710
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Ferricks
Profile Joined May 2019
26 Posts
June 12 2019 17:48 GMT
#6711
Nooo. This is truly heartbreaking

Thanks for everything matu, may you find greater things from here on out!
GGman
Profile Joined July 2010
Czech Republic143 Posts
June 12 2019 18:24 GMT
#6712
Fuck.

No matter what was and what will be - this is an end of an era.

Thank you MATU, all the best in whatever you chose to do now. This iteration of Liquid will always have very special place in my heart.

I am very curious how will the new roster fare.

Lets go Liquid!
“Never argue with idiots. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”
Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
June 12 2019 18:24 GMT
#6713
I think esports is pretty nice.
SFDuality
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1318 Posts
June 12 2019 22:28 GMT
#6714
Goddamnit.

I can't say this was entirely unexpected, but I still hate that it happened. I so, so wanted this to be the roster to win 2 TI's.

All the best to Matu. I hope he finds a home where he can truly shine like the fantastic carry player I know he is. And I hope whomever Liquid has found to replace him can synergize well with the team. Having made a change like this to such a storied and successful roster, good results are not optional.
nikkipaniki
Profile Joined September 2018
6 Posts
June 13 2019 02:10 GMT
#6715
This is so heartbreaking!!

You make him play the shitty sacrificial role, then you sack him? You should try enabling him for once instead of always relying on Miracle to carry you and get a comeback. Enabling Matu will lessen the burden for Miracle, at the same time, give Matu inspiration to keep playing.

If you need to make a roster change, it should be Kuro. He should focus on coaching and analysis. He is not a good pos 5. He hardly wards, he plays passive, and he feeds a lot. TL need a true pos 5.

NInoff
Profile Joined August 2011
Bulgaria1105 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-13 08:09:00
June 13 2019 08:06 GMT
#6716
On June 13 2019 03:24 GGman wrote:
Fuck.

No matter what was and what will be - this is an end of an era.

Thank you MATU, all the best in whatever you chose to do now. This iteration of Liquid will always have very special place in my heart.

I am very curious how will the new roster fare.

Lets go Liquid!


Bullseye,man.

Nobody could've said more with a fewer words.

Lets go Liquid
uthgard
Profile Joined January 2015
2098 Posts
June 13 2019 12:49 GMT
#6717
so apparently Liquid has been scrimming with w33ha, would make a lot of sense to me for Liquid to get a traditional mid like him (plus his hero pool is pretty big)
juuto
Profile Joined January 2014
809 Posts
June 13 2019 12:50 GMT
#6718
So a screenshot from Khezu's stream kinda confirms that w33 is scrimming with Liquid. It's a nice choice. Maybe they can do better after the TI shuffle or maybe they found the best person for the role. Liquid with a player that can actually play mid well while Miracle carries sounds pretty scary.
wims80
Profile Joined February 2014
1892 Posts
June 13 2019 14:04 GMT
#6719
I don't know how this went down, but I hope they didn't ditch Matu without any warning just a couple of months before TI
Why are my allies so weak and pathetic?
NInoff
Profile Joined August 2011
Bulgaria1105 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-13 14:41:45
June 13 2019 14:40 GMT
#6720
On June 13 2019 21:49 uthgard wrote:
so apparently Liquid has been scrimming with w33ha, would make a lot of sense to me for Liquid to get a traditional mid like him (plus his hero pool is pretty big)

Whoever Kuro chooses he has to be able to Play 1/2 as depending of the strats. Miracle is sometimes mid sometimes safe, i like qojqva for Matu replacement of the known players.
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