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NInoff
Profile Joined August 2011
Bulgaria1105 Posts
August 20 2018 22:20 GMT
#6021
Im not that impressed. They got awesome dewarding, but that series was more VP playing bad, than LGD playing good. Not to mention VP didn't do anything different, they are playing the same heroes / strats. And the way to beat a chinese team is to put them out of their comfort zone.
Kuro knows how to do it.
hunter_x
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany2762 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-20 22:46:16
August 20 2018 22:45 GMT
#6022
On August 21 2018 07:20 NInoff wrote:
Im not that impressed. They got awesome dewarding, but that series was more VP playing bad, than LGD playing good. Not to mention VP didn't do anything different, they are playing the same heroes / strats. And the way to beat a chinese team is to put them out of their comfort zone.
Kuro knows how to do it.

i agree with this. VP also was super tilted after how game 1 ended.
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-21 07:27:10
August 21 2018 07:19 GMT
#6023
Liquid looked much much better, but optic is a weaker opponent so it’s natural. Still I’d put it around 60:40 for liquid.

I think Liquid only made one mistake the whole series when matu pushed a little too far on brood game 2. But probably that was because the game was already over at that point, I don’t think he gets that greedy if they are feeling behind.

The feeling I got from the optic series is that liquid will only lose if they pick pudge techies
TRUEESPORTS || your days as a respected member of team liquid are over
noh2o
Profile Joined August 2017
China71 Posts
August 22 2018 07:13 GMT
#6024
On August 21 2018 16:19 emperorchampion wrote:
Liquid looked much much better, but optic is a weaker opponent so it’s natural. Still I’d put it around 60:40 for liquid.

I think Liquid only made one mistake the whole series when matu pushed a little too far on brood game 2. But probably that was because the game was already over at that point, I don’t think he gets that greedy if they are feeling behind.

The feeling I got from the optic series is that liquid will only lose if they pick pudge techies

matu wanted to push tower quickly,in my option,bkb was better.
next is lgd,hope liquid take it.go liquid
w33 is the best mid player
CaptainPlatypus
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States852 Posts
August 22 2018 09:30 GMT
#6025
On August 21 2018 16:19 emperorchampion wrote:
Liquid looked much much better, but optic is a weaker opponent so it’s natural. Still I’d put it around 60:40 for liquid.


Liquid beat LGD with first phase broodmother. I'm not giving LGD 40%, but I hope they at least make this competitive. I was on a boat for last year's dream run and didn't get to watch it live, so it'd be nice to get to see some close games before liquid takes it home
nuketurnal2
Profile Joined August 2018
62 Posts
August 22 2018 16:28 GMT
#6026
found an aweseome interview on youtube yesterday - "team liquid - dota 2 true family - the defending champion"
(sorry currently at work, can't get the youtube link posted here)

anyone seen it?
juuto
Profile Joined January 2014
809 Posts
August 23 2018 02:42 GMT
#6027
Two choke drafts in a row
Nikto
Profile Joined May 2014
Slovakia410 Posts
August 23 2018 03:02 GMT
#6028
playing like dog shit = check
juuto
Profile Joined January 2014
809 Posts
August 23 2018 03:10 GMT
#6029
They need to not overthink drafts as badly as they did today. It felt like they tried to be next level but ended up with garbage drafts both times.
hunter_x
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany2762 Posts
August 23 2018 05:37 GMT
#6030
Alright boys, time for another lower bracket run;)
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-23 07:13:00
August 23 2018 07:10 GMT
#6031
On August 23 2018 12:10 juuto wrote:
They need to not overthink drafts as badly as they did today. It felt like they tried to be next level but ended up with garbage drafts both times.

huh?
they went the staple Wisp+gyro they played a ton in scrims and is very in meta
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-23 07:15:40
August 23 2018 07:11 GMT
#6032
Only the PL last pick when LGD had one more pick and got even more aoe clear seems questionable to me
EDIT: although LGD picked it vs gyro/io too with a pick remaining so obviously the pros know something I don't
EDIT2: oh it's so you charge and kill Io making wisp and easy kill, makes sense
yeah So drafts were okay
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
noh2o
Profile Joined August 2017
China71 Posts
August 23 2018 07:35 GMT
#6033
On August 23 2018 14:37 hunter_x wrote:
Alright boys, time for another lower bracket run;)


this year top6 at the best
heartbreak
w33 is the best mid player
GGman
Profile Joined July 2010
Czech Republic143 Posts
August 23 2018 07:38 GMT
#6034
LGD just outclassed them this series, not that Liquid would be playing bad (not stellar tho), but LGD was just on another level. Hope the cards will turn when they meet in grand finals

As for drafts, Im far from being an expert, but did LGD have two consecutive last picks? What gives? To me it seemed like each time the 10th pick (both time LGD) was game-changing. Not saying that it would necessarily change the outcome, but definitely how onesided the game would be.
“Never argue with idiots. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”
Caladbolg
Profile Joined March 2011
2855 Posts
August 23 2018 08:29 GMT
#6035
Liquid got comfort picks. Kuro said he liked their draft. They just misunderstood what LGD wanted to do. If anyone can adjust to a bad loss, it's Liquid. I still think they'll reach the finals.
"I don't like the word prodigy at all. To me prodigy sounds like a person who was 'gifted' all these things rather than a person who earned all these talents by hard training... I must train harder to reach my goal." - Flash
solid.salve3
Profile Joined August 2016
80 Posts
August 23 2018 10:00 GMT
#6036
TI curse?
I dont believe
good luck TL
you can do it
LetsGo
NInoff
Profile Joined August 2011
Bulgaria1105 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-23 10:42:32
August 23 2018 10:37 GMT
#6037
Seems like second pick these days is a marble. Wonder why Kuro decided to get first pick two times in a row.
LGD played good, yes, but those were two outdrafts. First time it was our mistake. second one just a nice draft from LCD, ofcourse they played awesome. That helped as well.
Good thing for us now there will be more Liquid games.
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
August 23 2018 11:14 GMT
#6038
Game 1 was unfortunate as some good pick offs hasten the end. But game 2 was a no stun draft. What do you expect.
Pontual
Profile Joined October 2016
Brazil3038 Posts
August 23 2018 11:16 GMT
#6039
Both lgd last picks were huge

Liquid needed this if they wanted to get to the next level, now is do or die.
noh2o
Profile Joined August 2017
China71 Posts
August 23 2018 11:44 GMT
#6040
On August 23 2018 16:38 GGman wrote:
LGD just outclassed them this series, not that Liquid would be playing bad (not stellar tho), but LGD was just on another level. Hope the cards will turn when they meet in grand finals

As for drafts, Im far from being an expert, but did LGD have two consecutive last picks? What gives? To me it seemed like each time the 10th pick (both time LGD) was game-changing. Not saying that it would necessarily change the outcome, but definitely how onesided the game would be.

maybe kuro thought it was supermajor.
kuro underestimated his opponent
w33 is the best mid player
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