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NInoff
Profile Joined August 2011
Bulgaria1105 Posts
October 20 2016 21:10 GMT
#2421
Finally good feeling after a series. They showed some discipline, and that paid off. Nailbater, but feels good! Well done.
Anamorph
Profile Joined September 2015
236 Posts
October 20 2016 21:25 GMT
#2422
On October 21 2016 05:10 Drearcerberus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2016 03:09 danielbe wrote:
That was a trainwreck. And yes, I'm on board with the bulba hate train.

I really feel that this change in style is all due to him. He's not mechanically skilled, so he plays defensive supports, in a position that used to be Kuro's. Kuroky is forced to go roaming, tempo controlling supports that really don't suit him. He's the "stay back and farm the jungle" kind of support. And Miracle can't find his place in a team without a dedicated playmaker like Cr1t.

If they hadn't lost Jerax, this team would be incredibly succesful. But Bulba just doesn't work.


Maybe, maybe not. Blaming Bulba for all the team's issues is misguided. They stick around too long in fights that they've won and then feed back kills. They dive too deep and give up kills they shouldn't. Is Jerax the shot caller that's going to make the calls for his team to stop them from doing this? I doubt it as he's reportedly very quiet. Every game there are too many bad laning decisions and too many mistakes that are spread out over the entire team. Bulba will never be the best player on this team, but from what I've seen he's been far from the worst.


They also had issues before the bulba began. Not being able to crack OG at the end of their success before TI, showed a lot of problems, but still they were top5 in the world.
No one blames only bulba, but bulba is one of their issues. The style does not fit this team. Even if he would be the best player, it does not work with bulba. EG not working with bulba, secret not working with bulba.. he needs to find a spot were he belongs to, and a tier 1 team is not that spot.
No one can say, that he performs like a tier 1 player. no one can say he ever performed like a tier 1 player in EG, TT, Secret and this liquid period.
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
October 20 2016 21:46 GMT
#2423
Dude you're literally being a hater Bulba played great today
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Deleted User 97295
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1137 Posts
October 20 2016 21:56 GMT
#2424
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Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
October 20 2016 21:57 GMT
#2425
tfw i agree with laertes kill me
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
October 20 2016 21:59 GMT
#2426
Bulba rocks. Liquid is good. Get over it.
TRUEESPORTS || your days as a respected member of team liquid are over
common_cider
Profile Joined July 2011
342 Posts
October 20 2016 22:07 GMT
#2427
Secret, Vega, Ad Finem, VP all have better 3/4/5 imo. Kuro and MC looked better than they are b/c jerax was abusing ES and Tusk before the nerfs. Bulba has always been smart, but lacking some skill.

IF liquid want to keep their 18k mmr 1-2 punch, the 3/4/5 need to get better or be replaced.
Never eat at a chinese restraunt located by the pound
midou
Profile Joined April 2008
Bulgaria1168 Posts
October 20 2016 22:13 GMT
#2428
I agree that Kuro and MC have not performed up to standards. It's hard for me to criticize MC because he is the only fellow bulgarian at the highest level, but he needs to step it up.
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
October 20 2016 22:14 GMT
#2429
On October 21 2016 07:07 common_cider wrote:
Secret, Vega, Ad Finem, VP all have better 3/4/5 imo. Kuro and MC looked better than they are b/c jerax was abusing ES and Tusk before the nerfs. Bulba has always been smart, but lacking some skill.

IF liquid want to keep their 18k mmr 1-2 punch, the 3/4/5 need to get better or be replaced.

You're looking at MMR and skill here
But paradoxically I think Matumba and Miracle co-habiting in a team are actually the biggest thing that needs to be worked out
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
October 20 2016 23:02 GMT
#2430
Bulba is playing pretty well. I think hes the only player playing up to expectations, and hes beating them. Miracle and Matu are having all the issues people thought rtz and sumail would have splitting farm and lane babysitting.
Hey do you want to hear a joke? Chinese production value. | I thought he had a aegis- Ayesee | When did 7ing mad last have a good game, 2012?
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
October 20 2016 23:08 GMT
#2431
liquid is a cursed team
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
October 20 2016 23:13 GMT
#2432
On October 21 2016 08:08 ahswtini wrote:
liquid is a cursed team

no thats just me thanks
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
CursedRich
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom737 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-21 00:18:52
October 21 2016 00:16 GMT
#2433
On October 21 2016 08:08 ahswtini wrote:
liquid is a cursed team


Im not feeling that vibe, Liquid are clearly improving

Why don't esports fans seem to understand and embrace the concept of form as most other sports do?
Chill Winston......
YourGoodFriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2197 Posts
October 21 2016 01:45 GMT
#2434
On October 21 2016 08:13 Shaella wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2016 08:08 ahswtini wrote:
liquid is a cursed team

no thats just me thanks


truth, the team is fine they are figuring out picks and playstyle right now which is why we see swings in play. Bulba is playing a good 5th position so stop pooping all over him people
anonymous is the most famous author that anyone can be
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
October 21 2016 01:53 GMT
#2435
Dude i'm pretty sure this team could win TI and people would still shit on Bulba.
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
October 21 2016 03:27 GMT
#2436
On October 21 2016 10:53 Shaella wrote:
Dude i'm pretty sure this team could win TI and people would still shit on Bulba.

Pretty sure he wouldn't be shit on if people didn't keep mentioning Bulba and winning TI at the same time.

People are happy to support mid tier players that achieve more than they're expected to. Not so much support for players who are hyped to the moon by peers and fall flat every single time.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
October 21 2016 03:56 GMT
#2437
On October 21 2016 12:27 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2016 10:53 Shaella wrote:
Dude i'm pretty sure this team could win TI and people would still shit on Bulba.

Pretty sure he wouldn't be shit on if people didn't keep mentioning Bulba and winning TI at the same time.

People are happy to support mid tier players that achieve more than they're expected to. Not so much support for players who are hyped to the moon by peers and fall flat every single time.

People are happy to support whoever its the flavor of the month to like, and happy to hate players who its flavor of the month to hate

nothing more nothing less.
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
October 21 2016 04:11 GMT
#2438
On October 21 2016 12:56 Shaella wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2016 12:27 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On October 21 2016 10:53 Shaella wrote:
Dude i'm pretty sure this team could win TI and people would still shit on Bulba.

Pretty sure he wouldn't be shit on if people didn't keep mentioning Bulba and winning TI at the same time.

People are happy to support mid tier players that achieve more than they're expected to. Not so much support for players who are hyped to the moon by peers and fall flat every single time.

People are happy to support whoever its the flavor of the month to like, and happy to hate players who its flavor of the month to hate

nothing more nothing less.

Yeah, so winning TI would be good time to be flavour of the month.

Look forward to that month then.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
giftdgecko
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2126 Posts
October 21 2016 04:19 GMT
#2439
On October 21 2016 13:11 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2016 12:56 Shaella wrote:
On October 21 2016 12:27 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On October 21 2016 10:53 Shaella wrote:
Dude i'm pretty sure this team could win TI and people would still shit on Bulba.

Pretty sure he wouldn't be shit on if people didn't keep mentioning Bulba and winning TI at the same time.

People are happy to support mid tier players that achieve more than they're expected to. Not so much support for players who are hyped to the moon by peers and fall flat every single time.

People are happy to support whoever its the flavor of the month to like, and happy to hate players who its flavor of the month to hate

nothing more nothing less.

Yeah, so winning TI would be good time to be flavour of the month.

Look forward to that month then.

I'd enjoy that month :D
Deleted User 97295
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1137 Posts
October 21 2016 05:28 GMT
#2440
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