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Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11089 Posts
March 23 2016 01:34 GMT
#2801
Misery I saw because Zai is just frankly too good to leave out. Barring really Universe, I think Zai looks good for almost any team. w33 though, I thought w33 had proved himself even if it came down to figuring out his patch heroes and going from there.

Both should be pretty proud of waht they did either way.

Hope EE and Puppy know what they're doing so late into the window.
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
TomatoBisque
Profile Joined March 2013
United States6290 Posts
March 23 2016 02:20 GMT
#2802


For those of you not in the thread in General
rip
Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
March 23 2016 02:41 GMT
#2803
--- Nuked ---
Verniy
Profile Joined May 2015
Canada3360 Posts
March 23 2016 02:45 GMT
#2804
so what's secret's next tournament? ESL Manila?
Heaven's Halberd is the most criminally underbought item in Dota. Together we can stop this.
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32751 Posts
March 23 2016 02:50 GMT
#2805
If we're talking sheer individual talent then Secret just became #1 powerhouse team. I'm really excited to see how this iteration works out. Plus we get ArtEEzy back so that's hype as shit.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Vankuga
Profile Joined April 2012
Panama2005 Posts
March 23 2016 02:54 GMT
#2806
I was hoping zai but holy shit Universe.
Vankuga
Bodhi
Profile Joined August 2010
United States180 Posts
March 23 2016 03:00 GMT
#2807
Lifelong Arteezy fan here. So excited to cheer for Secret again.
lolnoty
Profile Joined December 2005
United States7166 Posts
March 23 2016 03:06 GMT
#2808
This is a great move, because now the trolling of Secret being an NA team isn't even trolling. Welcome to NA Team Secret fans.
"PPD is a very angry guy. He controls us." - Arteezy
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11089 Posts
March 23 2016 03:13 GMT
#2809
UNIVERSE?!?!?
!


HAHHAHAH

TI BOYS You're WINNING TI.

OMG. This team is nuts. Can't believe that insane EG team didn't do it. PPD seems like such a genius drafter and Summails superb but this. WOW. WOOWOWO So happy.
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
Sasquatch
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada126 Posts
March 23 2016 03:13 GMT
#2810
On March 23 2016 11:45 Verniy wrote:
so what's secret's next tournament? ESL Manila?


Looks like it. CyborgMatt says they're not attending the recently announced SL iLeague invitational.

JESUS CHRIST ITS A LION GET IN THE CAR
Alpino
Profile Joined June 2011
Brazil4390 Posts
March 23 2016 03:17 GMT
#2811
I grew fond of both w33ha and misery so I'll cheer for them in tournaments Secret is not playing or if Secret is already out. IT's a shame they did it so close to the roster lock, DotA is cruel indeed.

NEVERTHELESS I'm hyped for ArtEEzy and UNIVERSE HYPE
20/11/2015 - never forget EE's Ember
ch33psh33p
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
7650 Posts
March 23 2016 03:18 GMT
#2812
HAHAHAH HOLY SHIT WE GOT RTZ AND UNIVERSE
secret - never again
deadmau
Profile Joined September 2010
960 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-23 04:59:32
March 23 2016 04:58 GMT
#2813
We got Universe. It's over. And RTZ makes his return just in time.
TomatoBisque
Profile Joined March 2013
United States6290 Posts
March 23 2016 05:04 GMT
#2814
On March 23 2016 12:00 Bodhi wrote:
Lifelong Arteezy fan here. So excited to cheer for Secret again.

Welcome back friendo
rip
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
March 23 2016 05:11 GMT
#2815
Not sold on this lineup. Reason being that I see 2 farm heavy cores in the lineup. Rtz is quite an inflexible mid imo. Previous eg and secret had Mason fear and s4 to take on the safe lane play making role if necessary, while I don't see envy capable of doing it. W33 was able to play play making heroes as well. This acquisition limits secret style of play and make them heavily reliant on universe puppey and pld to make plays.

Also who is going to play the naga now?
deadmau
Profile Joined September 2010
960 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-23 05:13:29
March 23 2016 05:13 GMT
#2816
On March 23 2016 14:11 DucK- wrote:

Also who is going to play the naga now?


Exactly, dangerous for other teams.
ch33psh33p
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
7650 Posts
March 23 2016 05:17 GMT
#2817
On March 23 2016 14:11 DucK- wrote:
Not sold on this lineup. Reason being that I see 2 farm heavy cores in the lineup. Rtz is quite an inflexible mid imo. Previous eg and secret had Mason fear and s4 to take on the safe lane play making role if necessary, while I don't see envy capable of doing it. W33 was able to play play making heroes as well. This acquisition limits secret style of play and make them heavily reliant on universe puppey and pld to make plays.

Also who is going to play the naga now?


nah this is the dream

EE was the perfect player to complement RTZ, and has always been.

We saw that at MLG 2013.

EG was broken with Sumail and RTZ, possibly the most inflexible pairing of all time. Now that was two farm heavy cores that had no idea how to work together.

secret - never again
TomatoBisque
Profile Joined March 2013
United States6290 Posts
March 23 2016 05:24 GMT
#2818
RTZ is (or at least was) capable of playing playmaking mids and expressed interest in playing that style again. I would like to think Puppey and EE are smart enough guys to know what they are getting into when bringing in RTZ, especially since EE and RTZ are BFFs
rip
lolnoty
Profile Joined December 2005
United States7166 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-23 05:27:47
March 23 2016 05:26 GMT
#2819
On March 23 2016 14:17 ch33psh33p wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2016 14:11 DucK- wrote:
Not sold on this lineup. Reason being that I see 2 farm heavy cores in the lineup. Rtz is quite an inflexible mid imo. Previous eg and secret had Mason fear and s4 to take on the safe lane play making role if necessary, while I don't see envy capable of doing it. W33 was able to play play making heroes as well. This acquisition limits secret style of play and make them heavily reliant on universe puppey and pld to make plays.

Also who is going to play the naga now?


nah this is the dream

EE was the perfect player to complement RTZ, and has always been.

We saw that at MLG 2013.

EG was broken with Sumail and RTZ, possibly the most inflexible pairing of all time. Now that was two farm heavy cores that had no idea how to work together.


I really don't think that's true of sumail and RTZ. It's a popular opinion that I never actually saw play out in a game, just people hind-sighting losses and ignoring wins. Can you link a draft secret did where EE needs a mountaiin of farm and W33 is spacemaker where Sumail and RTZ can't play those heroes?

EG's losses against Secret (who was their main cockblock of losse since TI5) was predominantly draft related.
"PPD is a very angry guy. He controls us." - Arteezy
spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-23 05:53:33
March 23 2016 05:46 GMT
#2820
Most of Secret's good runs didn't come with w33 on traditional space creating heroes imo. Sure, he played heroes that could get pickoffs when Secret did their usual spreading of the map (with heroes like WR, Invoker, shadowblade SF, Meepo, Lina), but mostly his heroes were farmers, not heroes that try to make a lot of moves early or lead the team in early fights. Earth Spirit imo being the only exception that we saw at least a few times.

In general on EE's teams I think there's space for farmers, whether it is the second core or if the farm is more spread out on everyone else. He is not really a player who spends the entire game farming his own jungle. He's certainly not known for playing traditional initiators or something, but he can play heroes that can move early and give space to his team just fine. But it'll be interesting to see how Arteezy does on various different heroes. I wouldn't be surprised if he shines on this team.
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