EPTTeam Secret Discussion - Page 114
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Mensol
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goody153
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For example EE has a wider hero pool(from weaver to necrolyte to tiny to razor to morphling to PL/troll/jugg/sniper and even heroes like Jakiro and silencer) since he is generally more willing to play any hero (hell at one point he played a safelane nyx assasin lmao) but RTZ has more laning flexibility with him being able to play a mid heroes such as TA/SF(lycan/od/dp at one point ) at extremely good level (good enough to be acknowledge by alot of pros including sumail). One of the more notable differences i found between them is that rtz always has the most farm priority from the team while you will often find envy in the "offlane role" aka "the sacked carry with little lane support catchup game role" and sacrificing farm usually for the midplayer or their offlaner(if the offlaner requires adequate farm for a hero or the offlaner is playing some farming core) EE is generally much more aggressive compared to rtz. I don't see the fact that I think Envy got carried by his team to tournament victories as an insult, he really had terrible games where the team had to play out of their mind to make up for his mistakes and you don't see that happen as often with other carries Lol trollcenter do you even watch other teams play ? You have black who plays wayy too safe to actually carry and he ends up having high networth but not actually having an impact a carry should have. You have majority of CIS 1 position players who throw half their games if you haven't noticed , yes they throw alot of their games and not even just against top tier teams even against shitty t2-t3 teams or randomly new teams they still do that. You have loda who is inflexible and can't play fighting aggressive heroes well and he's not even the best at the afk-farming cores. The new dudes like ritsu plays 3-4 heroes even envy is better on the heroes they excel(except TA but envy doesn't even play TA). There's literally just fear and rtz left in the west who is better/on par than ee. If you are just trying to liveup to your name which btw you are doing an incredible job very subtle and good at baiting lol. | ||
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Tien
Russian Federation4447 Posts
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goody153
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Exoteric
Australia2330 Posts
On November 18 2015 01:03 trollcenter wrote: 1. My post history is for the moderators to evaluate, backseat moderating on posts that have nothing to do with the opinion expressed here is completely pointless. You're attacking the person, not the opinion. Way to go. Also, I don't care about bans so if you hoped to strike where it hurts, you failed. Or maybe it makes you feel better if you look nice to the moderators. 2. Your own post here is just as bad, if not worse, than what you're criticizing. You see an opinion with reasoning behind it, yet because it happens to come from someone you don't like you jump to cheap, unsubstantiated attacks that have nothing to do with the post that you're responding to. You still don't address anything regarding the opinion expressed, that's because you literally have nothing but "I don't like you" to say as to why I'm wrong. 3. What's really hilarious is that you, the one who starts a flame against a user out of nowhere, attempts to take the moral high ground. That's worse than crticizing players and offering reasons for it. I didn't insult any player. If i'm saying Envy still throws when he does so, and that it happens more often than with RTZ, it doesn't mean I'm spreading hate. I'd have to cover my eyes to say otherwise. I said he's still playing better than in C9, so it's not like I'm not giving him any credit. But what do I bother, your post is of a way lower quality than those from the guy you're attacking. Just mindless, baseless flame towards a user and then acting like you're mature about it and taking the position of an intelectual, while still not offering anything of substance as to why somebody was wrong and needs to be banned for it. LOL. Don't bother replying, you're just helping my case. I don't care about bans, says the one who passive aggressively criticises the mod team for banning you. You can act as indignant as you want, but in the end your posts reduce down to 'wahh I don't like envy'. You're just too transparent to me. There's no point arguing with you since we both know that neither of our opinions will change. Nothing you say will ever prevent me from outright dismissing your obviously clouded judgement based on the insane fixation on one person. | ||
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Kabras
Romania3508 Posts
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goody153
44237 Posts
On November 18 2015 04:43 Kabras wrote: tried to embed it, didn't work. http://imgur.com/4KUldYH ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/4KUldYH.jpg) here | ||
Elyvilon
United States13143 Posts
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brinepumps
Indonesia753 Posts
On November 18 2015 01:07 bagels21 wrote: have you heard of a poster named FHDH? I believe you're either ignored or not liked in this thread because you've just been posting negative comments about EE or "the carry of Secret" or the "carry play of secret" the whole time. Also,you literally have 4 posts spread throughout time that basically all say the same thing i.e. "Envy needs 4 people to carry him or Envy needs to be carried for a title"... Speaking of FHDH, where is he/she? Haven't seen him/her in a long time | ||
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dmnum
Brazil6910 Posts
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bagels21
United States4357 Posts
also on FHDH, part of why he left was probably because Na'Vi turned into absolute shit | ||
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dmnum
Brazil6910 Posts
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
Post TI5 the team was just losing left and right | ||
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trollcenter
362 Posts
On November 19 2015 05:40 bagels21 wrote: lol where is trollcenter now? Huh? I said I want Envy to either play better or get replaced by someone who does so, why would I get angry when he does play better, like he did today? If he keeps it up, that's totally fine by me. Not gonna get mad that I get to watch higher quality dota. | ||
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ddayzy
259 Posts
Puppy and Ppd easily the two most important and valuable players in dota. | ||
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BobMcJohnson
France2916 Posts
On November 19 2015 07:27 ddayzy wrote: What I like about Secret is how well they show off that having a good leader is alfa and omega in dota and with a great one you can elevate mediocre players to the top level. Puppy and Ppd easily the two most important and valuable players in dota. You probably can add xiao8 to that list | ||
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Mensol
14536 Posts
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Kabras
Romania3508 Posts
On November 19 2015 08:56 Mensol wrote: s4 also belong in that list. huh he's had mediocre players for a while now and hasn't turned them into anything good. | ||
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Mensol
14536 Posts
On November 19 2015 09:00 Kabras wrote: huh he's had mediocre players for a while now and hasn't turned them into anything good. Alliance were clearly at the bottom of EU before s4's return. they are top 3 in eu atm along with secret and og. (counting VP as CIS) | ||
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ddayzy
259 Posts
On November 19 2015 09:48 Mensol wrote: Alliance were clearly at the bottom of EU before s4's return. they are top 3 in eu atm along with secret and og. (counting VP as CIS) I disagree with both your statments. Not to mention there is hardly any competition in Europe at all. The margin between 10th and 4th best is hardly big, one off day could send you from the top end to the bottom. | ||
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