EPTTeam Secret Discussion - Page 113
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Alpino
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brinepumps
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goody153
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/vDR1BLJ.jpg) cool art | ||
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DucK-
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weiliem
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On November 17 2015 20:25 DucK- wrote: Secret now is basically old C9, without the clown in them. The playstyle is the same. Old C9 had the correct approach to play the game, but they always screwed up in the most dramatic fashion possible. Because it's not finals yet ;P | ||
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trollcenter
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On November 17 2015 20:25 DucK- wrote: Secret now is basically old C9, without the clown in them. Envy still has clowny moments, let's not pretend they're not there. The old Secret was definitely more stable ingame, especially when it came to carry play. But with Puppey leading, the throwing is significantly reduced compared to old C9. | ||
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goody153
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lmao even his parents,friend and teacher says the same that he is wayy too straightforward | ||
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Alpino
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On November 17 2015 21:02 trollcenter wrote: Envy still has clowny moments, let's not pretend they're not there. The old Secret was definitely more stable ingame, especially when it came to carry play. But with Puppey leading, the throwing is significantly reduced compared to old C9. EE is more stable | ||
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trollcenter
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There's no way Envy is more stable than Arteezy was in Secret. I'm far from being Arteezy's fan but his play as a carry was really solid, he had few mistakes and consistent top performances. I remember he was considered the best carry in the world by a a lot of other players. Envy's not nearly there. He's playing better than in C9, but still has a lot of his classic screw-ups that would cost him a lot more games if he didn't have an experienced captain to make the best out of the given situations. | ||
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Exoteric
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uthgard
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pretty good video btw, EE living the anime dream | ||
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Exoteric
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trollcenter
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On November 17 2015 23:15 Exoteric wrote: yeah envy's performances mean nothing it's actually all puppey controlling his hero. it won't be long before you're banned again anyway so keep up the quality analysis Lol, implying someone needs to be banned for politely expressing a different opinion than yours, long live the freedom of speech. And a strawman to top it off. All that while not offering any counter argument and simply bashing the quality of the post that you disagree with, clearly that's the quality we should all aspire to, right? Explain what warrants a ban in my post. Although I expect you to not reply or simply get defensive with a pointless reply that doesn't say anything but mindlessly attacks a person, like you did above. I was really curious as to why Envy is more stable than RTZ when he makes more mistakes and is not considered to be the best carry in the world, as RTZ was. Care to offer a reasoning why that opinion is offensive and shouldn't allow me to post anymore? | ||
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spudde123
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Players look better when they feel comfortable in their team and they can rely on their teammates. A lot of what EE does is very similar to what he did before. Maybe he is a bit more confident in his abilities because of recent wins so he can perform more consistently and doesn't panic, maybe he gets input from his team that helps him more than in the previous team, maybe he doesn't feel the need to do too much in this team because of trusting his team, or maybe the way his teammates play help him because they position themselves in ways which gives EE info when splitpushing for example. A good example being PLD often positioning in points to cutoff smokes so the enemy never really gets to surprise EE from an angle he doesn't expect. It's a bit hard to pinpoint often what exactly is the difference, and there probably isn't even one single thing that contributes to him being able to shine more than in the previous c9 lineup. | ||
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Exoteric
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On November 17 2015 23:57 trollcenter wrote: Lol, implying someone needs to be banned for politely expressing a different opinion than yours, long live the freedom of speech. And a strawman to top it off. All that while not offering any counter argument and simply bashing the quality of the post that you disagree with, clearly that's the quality we should all aspire to, right? Explain what warrants a ban in my post. Although I expect you to not reply or simply get defensive with a pointless reply that doesn't say anything but mindlessly attacks a person, like you did above. I was really curious as to why Envy is more stable than RTZ when he makes more mistakes and is not considered to be the best carry in the world, as RTZ was. Care to offer a reasoning why that opinion is offensive and shouldn't allow me to post anymore? There's no 'one' post of yours that warrants a ban, it's simply that your posting history is low quality in general and clearly slanted towards unsubstantiated player 'criticism.' Only when you get called out on it do you pretend that your posting is legitimate. I don't see any reason to engage in a proper conversation with you such that I'm required to not commit any so called logical fallacies. It's actually hilarious that you're attempting to take the moral high ground here. | ||
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Alpino
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trollcenter
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On November 18 2015 00:23 Exoteric wrote: There's no 'one' post of yours that warrants a ban, it's simply that your posting history is low quality in general and clearly slanted towards unsubstantiated player 'criticism.' Only when you get called out on it do you pretend that your posting is legitimate. I don't see any reason to engage in a proper conversation with you such that I'm required to not commit any so called logical fallacies. It's actually hilarious that you're attempting to take the moral high ground here. 1. My post history is for the moderators to evaluate, backseat moderating on posts that have nothing to do with the opinion expressed here is completely pointless. You're attacking the person, not the opinion. Way to go. Also, I don't care about bans so if you hoped to strike where it hurts, you failed. Or maybe it makes you feel better if you look nice to the moderators. 2. Your own post here is just as bad, if not worse, than what you're criticizing. You see an opinion with reasoning behind it, yet because it happens to come from someone you don't like you jump to cheap, unsubstantiated attacks that have nothing to do with the post that you're responding to. You still don't address anything regarding the opinion expressed, that's because you literally have nothing but "I don't like you" to say as to why I'm wrong. 3. What's really hilarious is that you, the one who starts a flame against a user out of nowhere, attempts to take the moral high ground. That's worse than crticizing players and offering reasons for it. I didn't insult any player. If i'm saying Envy still throws when he does so, and that it happens more often than with RTZ, it doesn't mean I'm spreading hate. I'd have to cover my eyes to say otherwise. I said he's still playing better than in C9, so it's not like I'm not giving him any credit. But what do I bother, your post is of a way lower quality than those from the guy you're attacking. Just mindless, baseless flame towards a user and then acting like you're mature about it and taking the position of an intelectual, while still not offering anything of substance as to why somebody was wrong and needs to be banned for it. LOL. Don't bother replying, you're just helping my case. | ||
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bagels21
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On November 18 2015 01:03 trollcenter wrote: 1. My post history is for the moderators to evaluate, backseat moderating on posts that have nothing to do with the opinion expressed here is completely pointless. You're attacking the person, not the opinion. Way to go. Also, I don't care about bans so if you hoped to strike where it hurts, you failed. Or maybe it makes you feel better if you look nice to the moderators. 2. Your own post here is just as bad, if not worse, than what you're criticizing. You see an opinion with reasoning behind it, yet because it happens to come from someone you don't like you jump to cheap, unsubstantiated attacks that have nothing to do with the post that you're responding to. You still don't address anything regarding the opinion expressed, that's because you literally have nothing but "I don't like you" to say as to why I'm wrong. 3. What's really hilarious is that you, the one who starts a flame against a user out of nowhere, attempts to take the moral high ground. That's worse than crticizing players and offering reasons for it. I didn't insult any player. If i'm saying Envy still throws when he does so, and that it happens more often than with RTZ, it doesn't mean I'm spreading hate. I'd have to cover my eyes to say otherwise. I said he's playing better than in C9 and making mistakes more rarely now, so it's not like I'm not giving him any credit. But what do I bother, your post is of a way lower quality than the one from the guy you're attacking. Just mindless, baseless flame while acting like you're mature about it and taking the position of an intelectual. LOL. have you heard of a poster named FHDH? I believe you're either ignored or not liked in this thread because you've just been posting negative comments about EE or "the carry of Secret" or the "carry play of secret" the whole time. Also,you literally have 4 posts spread throughout time that basically all say the same thing i.e. "Envy needs 4 people to carry him or Envy needs to be carried for a title"... | ||
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trollcenter
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On November 18 2015 01:07 bagels21 wrote: have you heard of a poster named FHDH? I believe you're either ignored or not liked in this thread because you've just been posting negative comments about EE or "the carry of Secret" or the "carry play of secret" the whole time. Also,you literally have 4 posts spread throughout time that basically all say the same thing i.e. "Envy needs 4 people to carry him or Envy needs to be carried for a title"... I recognize the name but don't remember much about him, other than the fact that he posted quite often. Anyways, back to Envy. Yes, I think he is quite the weak link and I'd like someone better to go with the other 4 players. My comments about that usually happen during/after matches where his team mates play wonderfully and then he almost throws their advantage, I agree that I could stop posting the same stuff every time it happens. He just stands out negatively in what could be amazing execution and that's frustrating to see. Similarly to how Fly seemed out of place in the old Secret. I also criticized Misery several times for what it's worth and I have nothing personal against EE, wanting him to either improve more or get replaced has nothing to do with anything other than the fact that I want to see the best Dota possible out of Team Secret. To me, it's like having a TV show with amazing actors except for one who brings the quality down. And I'm one of those people who complains about that flaw once every few episodes when it stands out most clearly, perhaps it's annoying but it doesn't make that person a hater that needs to be banned, as long as they're not going overboard about it. I don't see the fact that I think Envy got carried by his team to tournament victories as an insult, he really had terrible games where the team had to play out of their mind to make up for his mistakes and you don't see that happen as often with other carries. Yes, I didn't say it nicely, but I wasn't insulting or hating him either. Again, I can stop posting the same stuff whenever he throws but it's natural that it will still happen from other people, perhaps not in this thread, as long as he does it on a consistent basis. For what it's worth, I admire his dedication, but in terms of decision making, he's not where the carry of a top 3 team in the world should be. | ||
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spudde123
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