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zolasell
Profile Joined April 2016
Greece288 Posts
August 21 2016 18:59 GMT
#4001
On August 22 2016 03:27 jack_knife wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2016 02:11 hunter_x wrote:
On August 21 2016 22:24 jack_knife wrote:
On August 21 2016 19:58 hunter_x wrote:
On August 21 2016 17:58 jack_knife wrote:
On August 21 2016 16:34 bluzi wrote:
On August 21 2016 09:40 LemOn wrote:
Jesus Christ that entitlement easy comfort way mentality again with Alliance... Of course it's better if they are in qualifiers for them. But I'm done posting in the thread, nothing seems to change with the team, and there's not much point even watching them besides nostalgia.


Bye bye lemon , you can take hunter-x with you on your way out with those useless posts of "they should play qualifiers" , don't hit your self with the door on your way out !!!
You don't enjoy watching them , you think they should play all the qualifiers "of course its better" like you have any clue what you are talking about.... of course its better for them to get INVITED so they can prepare for the event instead of fighting for a place , today scene is stronger and there is a chance they don't pass the qualifiers , we just saw OG go down to TNC in the biggest event of the year , things are closer at every aspect of the game.

If you didn't notice by now , the fans of the team , loves the team , we aren't getting payed by their success , we don't get promotion at work if they win a Major , we just love to follow cheer and talk about the team , do we want them to do better? sure , we are fans after all , can we be critical , sure , but in the end of the day I'm just happy to see them playing together !!!!! my soccer team isn't winning anything and i love the team and have a season pass for years with my brother , not every team i cheer for needs to win everything.

Thought you had more class then this post alas i was wrong ....


he is slightly better than hunter-x.

Yeah and im still better then you;)
The point is we just cant understand why they still think they deserve invites. They should be a bit more humble. Playing qualifiers would be really good for them as it is for every team doing bad. But whatever, you seem to be used to alliance being mediocre. They can do so much better then this, so i dont understand why you are ok with this. I will be a liquid Fan for ever, and was since they made the team before TI3. But i still want them to win everything

how about ur liquid, bro? is fata about to leave, form another clow 9? or is kky about to kill liquid like he did b4 to secret? is liquid about to win 2 events next year(1 event this year)? don't get me wrong, bro, this is not a hate post, i really really want liquid win 2 events next year. pretty important for them.

you should really stop to embarass yourself, you sound like a broken record at this point. this nonsense you write all the time has nothing to do with the current situation alliance is in right now. Liquid has been one of the most consistent teams for a while now. While alliance did nothing noteworthy since their 2 lan wins at the Start of this year. Why cant you accept facts?


dude... u said it urself, liquid is tier1, alliance is tier2-3. would you tell me what kind of fucking tier1 team won 1 Lan in a whole year... am just confusing... liquid needs lot things to prove they ain't overrated. i was just telling truth just like u usually do, why so mad?
plus, am not a liquid hater. xD

You keep saying that good results= tournament wins but that is not the case.Liquid has been consistent top 3 team since shanghai with 3 second places(2 of wich majors)1 lan win and 2 3rd places.How exactly are they not a tier 1 team?Unless you truly think that in a scene that competitive only the first should be considered "good" in wich case i really dont think i need to say how ridiculous you sound
jack_knife
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany343 Posts
August 21 2016 19:08 GMT
#4002
On August 22 2016 03:59 zolasell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2016 03:27 jack_knife wrote:
On August 22 2016 02:11 hunter_x wrote:
On August 21 2016 22:24 jack_knife wrote:
On August 21 2016 19:58 hunter_x wrote:
On August 21 2016 17:58 jack_knife wrote:
On August 21 2016 16:34 bluzi wrote:
On August 21 2016 09:40 LemOn wrote:
Jesus Christ that entitlement easy comfort way mentality again with Alliance... Of course it's better if they are in qualifiers for them. But I'm done posting in the thread, nothing seems to change with the team, and there's not much point even watching them besides nostalgia.


Bye bye lemon , you can take hunter-x with you on your way out with those useless posts of "they should play qualifiers" , don't hit your self with the door on your way out !!!
You don't enjoy watching them , you think they should play all the qualifiers "of course its better" like you have any clue what you are talking about.... of course its better for them to get INVITED so they can prepare for the event instead of fighting for a place , today scene is stronger and there is a chance they don't pass the qualifiers , we just saw OG go down to TNC in the biggest event of the year , things are closer at every aspect of the game.

If you didn't notice by now , the fans of the team , loves the team , we aren't getting payed by their success , we don't get promotion at work if they win a Major , we just love to follow cheer and talk about the team , do we want them to do better? sure , we are fans after all , can we be critical , sure , but in the end of the day I'm just happy to see them playing together !!!!! my soccer team isn't winning anything and i love the team and have a season pass for years with my brother , not every team i cheer for needs to win everything.

Thought you had more class then this post alas i was wrong ....


he is slightly better than hunter-x.

Yeah and im still better then you;)
The point is we just cant understand why they still think they deserve invites. They should be a bit more humble. Playing qualifiers would be really good for them as it is for every team doing bad. But whatever, you seem to be used to alliance being mediocre. They can do so much better then this, so i dont understand why you are ok with this. I will be a liquid Fan for ever, and was since they made the team before TI3. But i still want them to win everything

how about ur liquid, bro? is fata about to leave, form another clow 9? or is kky about to kill liquid like he did b4 to secret? is liquid about to win 2 events next year(1 event this year)? don't get me wrong, bro, this is not a hate post, i really really want liquid win 2 events next year. pretty important for them.

you should really stop to embarass yourself, you sound like a broken record at this point. this nonsense you write all the time has nothing to do with the current situation alliance is in right now. Liquid has been one of the most consistent teams for a while now. While alliance did nothing noteworthy since their 2 lan wins at the Start of this year. Why cant you accept facts?


dude... u said it urself, liquid is tier1, alliance is tier2-3. would you tell me what kind of fucking tier1 team won 1 Lan in a whole year... am just confusing... liquid needs lot things to prove they ain't overrated. i was just telling truth just like u usually do, why so mad?
plus, am not a liquid hater. xD

You keep saying that good results= tournament wins but that is not the case.Liquid has been consistent top 3 team since shanghai with 3 second places(2 of wich majors)1 lan win and 2 3rd places.How exactly are they not a tier 1 team?Unless you truly think that in a scene that competitive only the first should be considered "good" in wich case i really dont think i need to say how ridiculous you sound

u don't know the history between me and hunter-x, so i don't blame you.
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
August 21 2016 19:31 GMT
#4003
This jack_knife guy's posts are filled with blatant bias and nonsense.
Klowney
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden277 Posts
August 21 2016 20:33 GMT
#4004
I hope they atleast try some role swaping if they stay together.
sweatbomb
Profile Joined September 2014
Sweden469 Posts
August 21 2016 21:10 GMT
#4005
On August 22 2016 05:33 Klowney wrote:
I hope they atleast try some role swaping if they stay together.


You mean Jack_Knife and Hunter-x? 😂😂
the bear jew
Profile Joined August 2014
United States3674 Posts
August 22 2016 00:02 GMT
#4006
On August 22 2016 05:33 Klowney wrote:
I hope they atleast try some role swaping if they stay together.


Loda to offlane and bulldog to carry?
DeMoN pulled off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
GinNtoniC
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Sweden2945 Posts
August 22 2016 00:05 GMT
#4007
On August 22 2016 04:31 DucK- wrote:
This jack_knife guy's posts are filled with blatant bias and nonsense.

Yeah, I went ahead and filed a report. Haven't done that on teamliquid/liquoddota in years. Frankly, I expect a more mature discussion on this site.
Huge fan of JulyZerg, HonestTea and that guy Kim Taek Yong.
wims80
Profile Joined February 2014
1892 Posts
August 22 2016 00:54 GMT
#4008
On August 22 2016 09:02 the bear jew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2016 05:33 Klowney wrote:
I hope they atleast try some role swaping if they stay together.


Loda to offlane and bulldog to carry?

They switch like that all the time tho
Why are my allies so weak and pathetic?
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
August 22 2016 04:50 GMT
#4009
On August 22 2016 09:54 wims80 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2016 09:02 the bear jew wrote:
On August 22 2016 05:33 Klowney wrote:
I hope they atleast try some role swaping if they stay together.


Loda to offlane and bulldog to carry?

They switch like that all the time tho


Isn't really a true role swap. Bulldog playing a solo lane NP/LD and loda playing a contested lane sladar. They don't have good success with it too.
jack_knife
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany343 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-22 06:40:19
August 22 2016 06:39 GMT
#4010
On August 22 2016 09:05 GinNtoniC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2016 04:31 DucK- wrote:
This jack_knife guy's posts are filled with blatant bias and nonsense.

Yeah, I went ahead and filed a report. Haven't done that on teamliquid/liquoddota in years. Frankly, I expect a more mature discussion on this site.

you are A fan, and Hunter-x shitting in ur face, i just did the same thing to him like he did to u guys, then u reported me. wp. kid.
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-22 06:55:01
August 22 2016 06:46 GMT
#4011
What is going on here? A two+ pages long full of nonsense discussion I am not part of? I am impressed!

Keep it up guys, you might draw the moderators' attention in no time!

Edit: To be fair Alliance deserves the invite and they have the right to complain. But it would make them good to change their mentality a bit. Yes, playing quals may lead to not qualifying but also to polishing your team-play, communication, etc, which Alliance needs to get better.
A coherent fan should support them because they are robbed of what its theirs but also slap them in the butt and send them back to practice.
hunter_x
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany2762 Posts
August 22 2016 07:19 GMT
#4012
On August 22 2016 15:39 jack_knife wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2016 09:05 GinNtoniC wrote:
On August 22 2016 04:31 DucK- wrote:
This jack_knife guy's posts are filled with blatant bias and nonsense.

Yeah, I went ahead and filed a report. Haven't done that on teamliquid/liquoddota in years. Frankly, I expect a more mature discussion on this site.

you are A fan, and Hunter-x shitting in ur face, i just did the same thing to him like he did to u guys, then u reported me. wp. kid.

You dont get the point...discussing with you is really a waste of time.
GinNtoniC
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Sweden2945 Posts
August 22 2016 07:44 GMT
#4013
On August 22 2016 15:39 jack_knife wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2016 09:05 GinNtoniC wrote:
On August 22 2016 04:31 DucK- wrote:
This jack_knife guy's posts are filled with blatant bias and nonsense.

Yeah, I went ahead and filed a report. Haven't done that on teamliquid/liquoddota in years. Frankly, I expect a more mature discussion on this site.

you are A fan, and Hunter-x shitting in ur face, i just did the same thing to him like he did to u guys, then u reported me. wp. kid.

Just becase I'm an (A)-fan doesn't mean I tolerate immature posting and the "but he started!!"-mentality.
I'm not overly fond of some of hunter-x's posts, but he understands when enough is enough. You apparently don't.
Huge fan of JulyZerg, HonestTea and that guy Kim Taek Yong.
lookfirewood
Profile Joined May 2011
1212 Posts
August 22 2016 09:18 GMT
#4014
On August 22 2016 16:44 GinNtoniC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2016 15:39 jack_knife wrote:
On August 22 2016 09:05 GinNtoniC wrote:
On August 22 2016 04:31 DucK- wrote:
This jack_knife guy's posts are filled with blatant bias and nonsense.

Yeah, I went ahead and filed a report. Haven't done that on teamliquid/liquoddota in years. Frankly, I expect a more mature discussion on this site.

you are A fan, and Hunter-x shitting in ur face, i just did the same thing to him like he did to u guys, then u reported me. wp. kid.

Just becase I'm an (A)-fan doesn't mean I tolerate immature posting and the "but he started!!"-mentality.
I'm not overly fond of some of hunter-x's posts, but he understands when enough is enough. You apparently don't.


Im completely with GnT on this one.

R.I.P STX 03.08.2013 never forget.
lookfirewood
Profile Joined May 2011
1212 Posts
August 22 2016 09:26 GMT
#4015
On August 22 2016 15:46 Racket wrote:
What is going on here? A two+ pages long full of nonsense discussion I am not part of? I am impressed!

Keep it up guys, you might draw the moderators' attention in no time!

Edit: To be fair Alliance deserves the invite and they have the right to complain. But it would make them good to change their mentality a bit. Yes, playing quals may lead to not qualifying but also to polishing your team-play, communication, etc, which Alliance needs to get better.
A coherent fan should support them because they are robbed of what its theirs but also slap them in the butt and send them back to practice.

'
Regarding the whine from A when not getting invited, I sure as hell agree with them regarding WCA, but I didn't agree with them regarding the Major they whined about.
But past those 2 whines, when have they whined about not getting an invite? I mean it's 2 invites they've whined about, one that is truly questionable (WCA) wether they are performing well or not. The other one less questionable... but presenting them with having a bad attitued and being a whiny team that expects to live on old merits yadda yadda, I don't get that. No other team would get criticized if they where unhappy not getting an invite as standing champs.
R.I.P STX 03.08.2013 never forget.
spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-22 09:38:04
August 22 2016 09:33 GMT
#4016
I don't really see why the tournament should invite defending champs in this case. It's a Chinese event with limited spots for EU teams. The event is also held only once a year so they would not be inviting based on a recent result. The previous WCA win already gave Alliance a big reward given that they got invited to Shanghai largely due to that win.

A bunch of events may invite defending champs but I don't think it has much to do with someone "deserving" to be there.
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
August 22 2016 09:46 GMT
#4017
On August 22 2016 18:26 lookfirewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2016 15:46 Racket wrote:
What is going on here? A two+ pages long full of nonsense discussion I am not part of? I am impressed!

Keep it up guys, you might draw the moderators' attention in no time!

Edit: To be fair Alliance deserves the invite and they have the right to complain. But it would make them good to change their mentality a bit. Yes, playing quals may lead to not qualifying but also to polishing your team-play, communication, etc, which Alliance needs to get better.
A coherent fan should support them because they are robbed of what its theirs but also slap them in the butt and send them back to practice.

'
Regarding the whine from A when not getting invited, I sure as hell agree with them regarding WCA, but I didn't agree with them regarding the Major they whined about.
But past those 2 whines, when have they whined about not getting an invite? I mean it's 2 invites they've whined about, one that is truly questionable (WCA) wether they are performing well or not. The other one less questionable... but presenting them with having a bad attitued and being a whiny team that expects to live on old merits yadda yadda, I don't get that. No other team would get criticized if they where unhappy not getting an invite as standing champs.

I am not saying it is a recurring attitude, just that it started two invites ago (the Major and this one) and hopefully it won't be dragged any longer because it is not healthy even if they are right. If they were to achieve something... for instance make invites system less shady or ruled anyhow, then yeah go on please.
Of course, a lot of teams would not be criticized, [A] is a special case just like NaVi, they have a lot of fans and a lot of haters. Watching them crash, burn and cry is for many a satisfaction. We have to deal with it.
jack_knife
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany343 Posts
August 22 2016 09:50 GMT
#4018
On August 22 2016 16:44 GinNtoniC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2016 15:39 jack_knife wrote:
On August 22 2016 09:05 GinNtoniC wrote:
On August 22 2016 04:31 DucK- wrote:
This jack_knife guy's posts are filled with blatant bias and nonsense.

Yeah, I went ahead and filed a report. Haven't done that on teamliquid/liquoddota in years. Frankly, I expect a more mature discussion on this site.

you are A fan, and Hunter-x shitting in ur face, i just did the same thing to him like he did to u guys, then u reported me. wp. kid.

Just becase I'm an (A)-fan doesn't mean I tolerate immature posting and the "but he started!!"-mentality.
I'm not overly fond of some of hunter-x's posts, but he understands when enough is enough. You apparently don't.

how naive could you be? he stopped cuz he got warned, and he was afraid of being reported, what do you think? since you are such a 'reasonable' fan, mark my word, next time A get rekt, he comes right on time.
I did that because i was sick of his disgusting post, but you are right, i need to stop, am done with him.
nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
August 22 2016 11:11 GMT
#4019
the moment he comes, you challenge him to 1v1 on stream and i'll be in the bleachers (audience).
then we'll set up a ban length for whoever loses.

real men do it on gunbound btw
*@boesthius' FF7 nostalgia stream bomb* "we should work on a 'Final Progamer' fangame»whitera can be a protagonist---lastlie: "we save world and then defense it"
hunter_x
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany2762 Posts
August 22 2016 11:18 GMT
#4020
Nobody warned or reported me, i stopped because i try to not be an idiot. I did write some salty and stupid shit here, im aware of that. But you seem to think you are some kind of alliance justice avenger, and im the bad guy here. In fact you are pretty new here, and you know nothing about my Background with this thread or the other guys here, so plz just stop or grow up.
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