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On August 22 2016 18:33 spudde123 wrote:
I don't really see why the tournament should invite defending champs in this case. It's a Chinese event with limited spots for EU teams. The event is also held only once a year so they would not be inviting based on a recent result. The previous WCA win already gave Alliance a big reward given that they got invited to Shanghai largely due to that win.
A bunch of events may invite defending champs but I don't think it has much to do with someone "deserving" to be there.
I agree, it's more about tradition then "deserving". And I dont argue that they should have tossed an invite, I argue that Alliances disappointment in this case is defendable. Especially since they probably feel like a break would be nice after TI.
But saying WCA (as an organization) is hold weight for alliances reward in getting invited to Shanghai major is ridiculous. WCA (the org) is passing the invites, Alliance as the team is responsible for their result, win or loss. Completely insane reference saying that WCA (the org) is credible for their shanghai invite.
Edit: Bad wording.
On August 22 2016 18:46 Racket wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2016 18:26 lookfirewood wrote:On August 22 2016 15:46 Racket wrote:
What is going on here? A two+ pages long full of nonsense discussion I am not part of? I am impressed!
Keep it up guys, you might draw the moderators' attention in no time!
Edit: To be fair Alliance deserves the invite and they have the right to complain. But it would make them good to change their mentality a bit. Yes, playing quals may lead to not qualifying but also to polishing your team-play, communication, etc, which Alliance needs to get better.
A coherent fan should support them because they are robbed of what its theirs but also slap them in the butt and send them back to practice. ' Regarding the whine from A when not getting invited, I sure as hell agree with them regarding WCA, but I didn't agree with them regarding the Major they whined about. But past those 2 whines, when have they whined about not getting an invite? I mean it's 2 invites they've whined about, one that is truly questionable (WCA) wether they are performing well or not. The other one less questionable... but presenting them with having a bad attitued and being a whiny team that expects to live on old merits yadda yadda, I don't get that. No other team would get criticized if they where unhappy not getting an invite as standing champs. I am not saying it is a recurring attitude, just that it started two invites ago (the Major and this one) and hopefully it won't be dragged any longer because it is not healthy even if they are right. If they were to achieve something... for instance make invites system less shady or ruled anyhow, then yeah go on please. Of course, a lot of teams would not be criticized, [A] is a special case just like NaVi, they have a lot of fans and a lot of haters. Watching them crash, burn and cry is for many a satisfaction. We have to deal with it.
Yeah I responded to you, but the post was in high regard aimed towards most ppl that call them a whining team. I appologize for making it look like it was aimed at you.
Yes I agree it's not healthy, if it becomes a standard within a team and also has an high effect on the team. But we have no proof of that being the case. We only have tweets and posts from 2 occations, neither of which were dragged out, prolonged OR followed up but any of the teams members or organization folks. Only the tweets, and suddenly it's a "bad attitude". Again, not aimed towards you, but towards the mass that feels it's an A-issue.
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As a pure fan, I'm glad to see them playing more games :-) Although I can understand Alliance's point, WCA organization didn't invite the previous edition winner (Newbee) last year so it sounds OK to me. They are consistent. I just hope A can convert this anger into willingness to perform and win.
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This thread is about Alliance. Keep on the topic of them, and do it civilly, or I will start handing out bans.
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On August 22 2016 20:18 hunter_x wrote:
Nobody warned or reported me, i stopped because i try to not be an idiot. I did write some salty and stupid shit here, im aware of that. But you seem to think you are some kind of alliance justice avenger, and im the bad guy here. In fact you are pretty new here, and you know nothing about my Background with this thread or the other guys here, so plz just stop or grow up.
well, since u said this, i am agree that i did the same shit like you did b4, am done with it now.  let's cheer up for our own team. i do believe Liquid is a tier 1 team, they can do better next year if they don't change role.
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On August 22 2016 20:28 lookfirewood wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2016 18:33 spudde123 wrote:
I don't really see why the tournament should invite defending champs in this case. It's a Chinese event with limited spots for EU teams. The event is also held only once a year so they would not be inviting based on a recent result. The previous WCA win already gave Alliance a big reward given that they got invited to Shanghai largely due to that win.
A bunch of events may invite defending champs but I don't think it has much to do with someone "deserving" to be there. I agree, it's more about tradition then "deserving". And I dont argue that they should have tossed an invite, I argue that Alliances disappointment in this case is defendable. Especially since they probably feel like a break would be nice after TI. But saying WCA (as an organization) is responsible for alliances reward in getting invited to Shanghai major is ridiculous. WCA (the org) is passing the invites, Alliance as the team is responsible for the result. Completely insane reference saying that WCA is responsible for their shanghai invite.
I wasn't saying that at all. Of course Alliance got that invite because they won the event over the other competitors for the last spot. I'm just saying that they already got the prize money that they earned, they earned an invite to Shanghai, it's not like they haven't been rewarded for their tournament win overall. Whether the previous champion is invited to the event is completely up to the organizer, I don't think there is a clear right or wrong there.
(not related to your post)
Also unlike the original tweet was saying WCA didn't even intend to invite the defending champions from 2014, who were Newbee, not LGD. Newbee lost in the Chinese qualifiers and got an invite later because a lot of the teams that qualified didn't end up coming and they had to take replacements
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On August 22 2016 20:28 lookfirewood wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2016 18:33 spudde123 wrote:
I don't really see why the tournament should invite defending champs in this case. It's a Chinese event with limited spots for EU teams. The event is also held only once a year so they would not be inviting based on a recent result. The previous WCA win already gave Alliance a big reward given that they got invited to Shanghai largely due to that win.
A bunch of events may invite defending champs but I don't think it has much to do with someone "deserving" to be there. I agree, it's more about tradition then "deserving". And I dont argue that they should have tossed an invite, I argue that Alliances disappointment in this case is defendable. Especially since they probably feel like a break would be nice after TI. But saying WCA (as an organization) is hold weight for alliances reward in getting invited to Shanghai major is ridiculous. WCA (the org) is passing the invites, Alliance as the team is responsible for their result, win or loss. Completely insane reference saying that WCA (the org) is credible for their shanghai invite. Edit: Bad wording. Show nested quote +On August 22 2016 18:46 Racket wrote:On August 22 2016 18:26 lookfirewood wrote:On August 22 2016 15:46 Racket wrote:
What is going on here? A two+ pages long full of nonsense discussion I am not part of? I am impressed!
Keep it up guys, you might draw the moderators' attention in no time!
Edit: To be fair Alliance deserves the invite and they have the right to complain. But it would make them good to change their mentality a bit. Yes, playing quals may lead to not qualifying but also to polishing your team-play, communication, etc, which Alliance needs to get better.
A coherent fan should support them because they are robbed of what its theirs but also slap them in the butt and send them back to practice. ' Regarding the whine from A when not getting invited, I sure as hell agree with them regarding WCA, but I didn't agree with them regarding the Major they whined about. But past those 2 whines, when have they whined about not getting an invite? I mean it's 2 invites they've whined about, one that is truly questionable (WCA) wether they are performing well or not. The other one less questionable... but presenting them with having a bad attitued and being a whiny team that expects to live on old merits yadda yadda, I don't get that. No other team would get criticized if they where unhappy not getting an invite as standing champs. I am not saying it is a recurring attitude, just that it started two invites ago (the Major and this one) and hopefully it won't be dragged any longer because it is not healthy even if they are right. If they were to achieve something... for instance make invites system less shady or ruled anyhow, then yeah go on please. Of course, a lot of teams would not be criticized, [A] is a special case just like NaVi, they have a lot of fans and a lot of haters. Watching them crash, burn and cry is for many a satisfaction. We have to deal with it. Yeah I responded to you, but the post was in high regard aimed towards most ppl that call them a whining team. I appologize for making it look like it was aimed at you. Yes I agree it's not healthy, if it becomes a standard within a team and also has an high effect on the team. But we have no proof of that being the case. We only have tweets and posts from 2 occations, neither of which were dragged out, prolonged OR followed up but any of the teams members or organization folks. Only the tweets, and suddenly it's a "bad attitude". Again, not aimed towards you, but towards the mass that feels it's an A-issue.
All good man, I didn't take it too hard. I wouldn't even venture so far as to say they are getting hit hard psychologically because of this, for all I know they might be just saying it out loud while giving no f*cks internally, who knows.
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Vatican City State1573 Posts
did i miss something ?
alliance is mediocre indeed , but still a defending champ , WCA should invite them but qualifiers means more A games , that is good for me.
but akke on vacation right , how do they qualify ? with stand in ?
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On August 22 2016 20:41 spudde123 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2016 20:28 lookfirewood wrote:On August 22 2016 18:33 spudde123 wrote:
I don't really see why the tournament should invite defending champs in this case. It's a Chinese event with limited spots for EU teams. The event is also held only once a year so they would not be inviting based on a recent result. The previous WCA win already gave Alliance a big reward given that they got invited to Shanghai largely due to that win.
A bunch of events may invite defending champs but I don't think it has much to do with someone "deserving" to be there. I agree, it's more about tradition then "deserving". And I dont argue that they should have tossed an invite, I argue that Alliances disappointment in this case is defendable. Especially since they probably feel like a break would be nice after TI. But saying WCA (as an organization) is responsible for alliances reward in getting invited to Shanghai major is ridiculous. WCA (the org) is passing the invites, Alliance as the team is responsible for the result. Completely insane reference saying that WCA is responsible for their shanghai invite. I wasn't saying that at all. Of course Alliance got that invite because they won the event over the other competitors for the last spot. I'm just saying that they already got the prize money that they earned, they earned an invite to Shanghai, it's not like they haven't been rewarded for their tournament win overall. Whether the previous champion is invited to the event is completely up to the organizer, I don't think there is a clear right or wrong there. (not related to your post) Also unlike the original tweet was saying WCA didn't even intend to invite the defending champions from 2014, who were Newbee, not LGD. Newbee lost in the Chinese qualifiers and got an invite later because a lot of the teams that qualified didn't end up coming and they had to take replacements
Alright, filled in the blanks abit too much I suppose. It happens.
And again, im not arguing they shud get an invite, I agree that there is no clear right or wrong, only that I understand their surprise that converted into whine.
On another note, game in 2 days. We know the lineup for both teams. I would say alliance should win this one considering Vega is a fresh team. But if Akke can't make it I dont know. But I guess A can bring in any support they like/can since we're in the transfer window. Question is how much it will mean when considering performance. What if, maybe, they find someone they like playing with better then Akke. Oh my... it's a disaster!
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s4 played so bad in game1, hope doing better in game2 
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Looks like they don't give a fuck about this :/
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On August 25 2016 02:05 Zea! wrote:
Looks like they don't give a fuck about this :/
when i saw bulldog, s4 play 5k pub with nara everyday, yes, i don't think they give a fuck about this
the question is, bulldog never got himself worse, s4 kind of step back.
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
Hey they picked new heroes! But they played super bad.
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They need to start to prepare for TI7 now.
#RoadtoTI7
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Horrible games... reasons can be discussed but still. Loved Loda axe, and if roumors are right, EGM drafting, it's a sign of them wantin to try new ideas. Always a win. Tonights game will be interesting either way.
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
I mean it's bulldog so take things he says with a grain of salt, and he might just mean drafting and diea changes like what akke said in his ti interview. I dont think they will do any personell changes.
Playing now with pablo as a standin and egm captain! Let'S go!
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let's go! :D
Nice game but... Loda's drow still not convincing :p
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
I wonder if EGM being captain might be a long term thing. Let s4 just concentrate on his game and not juggle so much idk and maybe egm can bring in some new ideas he's a pretty smart player
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EPT
