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On August 15 2016 08:00 wims80 wrote:
They have tried changing out players, I don't think that will work with this group. Their individual skill isn't very high, it's their familiarity with each other that makes the lineup work every now and then. If they start changing out players then the synergy will be lost and they will be deep in the dumpster again. You could of course argue that they are in the dumpster now
That's why I want to see S4 and EGM on a team with actual potential. Loda, Akke and Bulldog just don't have what it takes anymore. Not hardcore enough.
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On August 15 2016 08:00 wims80 wrote:
They have tried changing out players, I don't think that will work with this group. Their individual skill isn't very high, it's their familiarity with each other that makes the lineup work every now and then. If they start changing out players then the synergy will be lost and they will be deep in the dumpster again. You could of course argue that they are in the dumpster now
S4, EGM and Bulldog got a very high individual skill level, not just based on their MMR.
People underrate s4 a lot and tend to forget about his performance during the secret success-time.
He underperformed in TI5, but thats it. He was a great leader, after ppy dropped his leadership they continued to win and win. He played an awesome role in the games and he was nearly undefeated with QoP mid until it came to TI5.
I really like Akke and Loda, but their hero pool is pretty limited, loda compared to good carries really shows up how big the gap is. ( just watch the basics.. the drow games and the last hits he got to minute 5, he is missing nearly each lasthit under the tower.. its a lack of practice!!) If you give him farmpriority, he will not transfer it to something the team can use to win a game. That s for me one part of the reason bulldog and s4 get priority and they tried to give loda stuff like centaur before TI6.
I don t know which accounts they use to train, but I never see Loda playing pub games and stomping in games..
Loda and Akke need to step up....
If valve keeps not inviting alliance to majors, it will come to the point they won t qualify against teams like ad finem or the upcoming CIS stacks.
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On August 15 2016 08:00 wims80 wrote:
They have tried changing out players, I don't think that will work with this group. Their individual skill isn't very high, it's their familiarity with each other that makes the lineup work every now and then. If they start changing out players then the synergy will be lost and they will be deep in the dumpster again. You could of course argue that they are in the dumpster now
I think they can stick together. But they must work harder and widen their play style. They do try new things like SD centaur etc, but you can call that cheese. It is one off, and not something that translates to them improving.
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On August 15 2016 15:50 Anamorph wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2016 08:00 wims80 wrote:
They have tried changing out players, I don't think that will work with this group. Their individual skill isn't very high, it's their familiarity with each other that makes the lineup work every now and then. If they start changing out players then the synergy will be lost and they will be deep in the dumpster again. You could of course argue that they are in the dumpster now S4, EGM and Bulldog got a very high individual skill level, not just based on their MMR. People underrate s4 a lot and tend to forget about his performance during the secret success-time. He underperformed in TI5, but thats it. He was a great leader, after ppy dropped his leadership they continued to win and win. He played an awesome role in the games and he was nearly undefeated with QoP mid until it came to TI5. I really like Akke and Loda, but their hero pool is pretty limited, loda compared to good carries really shows up how big the gap is. ( just watch the basics.. the drow games and the last hits he got to minute 5, he is missing nearly each lasthit under the tower.. its a lack of practice!!) If you give him farmpriority, he will not transfer it to something the team can use to win a game. That s for me one part of the reason bulldog and s4 get priority and they tried to give loda stuff like centaur before TI6. I don t know which accounts they use to train, but I never see Loda playing pub games and stomping in games.. Loda and Akke need to step up.... If valve keeps not inviting alliance to majors, it will come to the point they won t qualify against teams like ad finem or the upcoming CIS stacks.
i total agree!
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On August 14 2016 18:32 hunter_x wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2016 15:36 jack_knife wrote:On August 14 2016 08:13 hunter_x wrote:
hey lemon dont worry. they are just as good as liquid, because they got kicked out by the same team. its all good in alliance land. you really should be careful with stuff like this lemon, or jack_knife will hunt you;) i think they did better than liquid, they made it to Upper, they won 10x more Lan than liquid. that's big enough  what if liquid win nothing next year or win 1 lan like this year? disband i guess?? or kky destroy the team with his own hand like b4 he did to secret, to MYM? Lol you have a really great guy here alliance fans. Im out have fun.
Haven't been your greatest fan either hunter_x, but jack_knife has consistently struck me as emotionally volatile and rather immature. I used to come to this thread for creative discussions, but lately it's mostly been throwing feces in one way or another.
My simple 2c: Alliance apparently enjoy playing together with their current lineup, but it's doubtful they'll ever be the world class team they once were with this lineup. I'd like to see them try though. The choice is up to them. I'll be a fan anyway.
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Having 3 cores that complementary is great for a team, and i completely agree with duck. They still have room for improvement even though they aren't the highest skilled players out there.
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bulldog/s4/egm are extremely skilled players imo. akke is great too, just lacks focus and has a pretty tight hero pool.
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EDIT Wrong thread plz delete
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On August 15 2016 23:14 hifriend wrote:
bulldog/s4/egm are extremely skilled players imo. akke is great too, just lacks focus and has a pretty tight hero pool.
"Lacks focus"?
The 2 series they played in the main event Akke was beastly. Especially his play on Skywrath mage was sick.
We must have been watching different games - or at least through different glasses.
Edit: I'll give you some cred on the "pretty tight hero pool" thing though.
Or at least if you go by the current meta. He's godlike on a lot of heroes that aren't in the meta right now, like Chen, Visage and other micro intensive supports.
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I think there's a good reason the team came back together. Outside of S4 no one has really found much success outside this specific group of 5.
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On August 15 2016 16:50 DucK- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2016 08:00 wims80 wrote:
They have tried changing out players, I don't think that will work with this group. Their individual skill isn't very high, it's their familiarity with each other that makes the lineup work every now and then. If they start changing out players then the synergy will be lost and they will be deep in the dumpster again. You could of course argue that they are in the dumpster now I think they can stick together. But they must work harder and widen their play style. They do try new things like SD centaur etc, but you can call that cheese. It is one off, and not something that translates to them improving.
Those 2 tourney wins really hurt them I think
And I'm afraid their not great but okay showing won't make them change much if they stay together in terms of practice and approach. It's just hard to completely change your approach when it sort of kind of works and is by no means a disaster and you've been together for ages without actually getting fresh people. Imagine they replace Akke with e.g. Innocence, let him captain and he forces them to adapt to take risks and either adapt different styles and hero pools by practicing hard or become Tier4 thrash. It's called taking risks even when it really matters, and I don't know if they have it in them while staying together.
EDIT: But yeah, guess it's true that aside S4 they haven't found much success outside that very same comfort zone. It's just sad seeing this once exciting team be so predictably stagnant.
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On August 16 2016 05:33 GinNtoniC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2016 23:14 hifriend wrote:
bulldog/s4/egm are extremely skilled players imo. akke is great too, just lacks focus and has a pretty tight hero pool. "Lacks focus"? The 2 series they played in the main event Akke was beastly. Especially his play on Skywrath mage was sick. We must have been watching different games - or at least through different glasses. Edit: I'll give you some cred on the "pretty tight hero pool" thing though. Or at least if you go by the current meta. He's godlike on a lot of heroes that aren't in the meta right now, like Chen, Visage and other micro intensive supports.
Lacks focus as in runs a company and develops apps professionally, but yea he is really outstanding on the heroes he does play.
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On August 16 2016 07:23 hifriend wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2016 05:33 GinNtoniC wrote:On August 15 2016 23:14 hifriend wrote:
bulldog/s4/egm are extremely skilled players imo. akke is great too, just lacks focus and has a pretty tight hero pool. "Lacks focus"? The 2 series they played in the main event Akke was beastly. Especially his play on Skywrath mage was sick. We must have been watching different games - or at least through different glasses. Edit: I'll give you some cred on the "pretty tight hero pool" thing though. Or at least if you go by the current meta. He's godlike on a lot of heroes that aren't in the meta right now, like Chen, Visage and other micro intensive supports. Lacks focus as in runs a company and develops apps professionally, but yea he is really outstanding on the heroes he does play.
In his defense, he's played full time Dota ever since dec 2015. The only app developing he does is on his spare time. Or so at least he's said himself in numerous interviews during 2016. The reason? Well, you guessed it: You can't compete at the highest level if you don't play Dota full time (his words, not mine).
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Akke may not train as often or practise as much in pubs etc due to his work commitments, but he is still a beast at his signature heroes. I don't really recall Akke having really bad games actually. I think the onus is on EGM to start being more active and aggressive, rather than be reactive and greedy. Akke is more of the PPD #5 defensive support type, it's time that EGM steps up.
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only top tier player from Alliance is Akke imho
EGM has never had any success outside of Alliance, s4 is not the same guy he was and his picks are weak, Loda is good, but rarely steps up to win the game and AB I dont know, when the meta was in his favor, he was god-tier on these heroes, I feel he is not on the lvl of other offlaners
saying that I still love Alliance and wish them success
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Hope this means no roster changes for the Boys!!! :D
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not every tournament has to invite the defending champions. why do they want to get invited again? they should play qualifiers, because more official games = good practice.
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On August 21 2016 02:50 hunter_x wrote:not every tournament has to invite the defending champions. why do they want to get invited again? they should play qualifiers, because more official games = good practice.
They'll play enough qualifiers the rest of the year as it is, it's nice for any team to have some playoffs secured.
That is a rather stupid post.
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Why is that nice ? Serious question
I dont see any benefit honestly (bar, ovviously being invited right away) and in teams that could always use more practice, thats great.
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