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lolnoty
Profile Joined December 2005
United States7166 Posts
March 26 2015 21:32 GMT
#1641
On March 27 2015 06:21 cuckoo wrote:
is it my impression or navi is by far the team who suffer the most ddos?


They are by far the most frequently profitable team to DDoS for item bets. I can't speak to how good their protection is. All I'll say is a lot of other teams seem to have zero issues so maybe they should ask for help. :S
"PPD is a very angry guy. He controls us." - Arteezy
Tephus
Profile Joined May 2011
Cascadia1754 Posts
March 26 2015 22:04 GMT
#1642
Well vanskor seems to believe that deleting his friends off of skype will help him.. so they probably aren't well protected at all.
AdministratorTeam Liquid VP of Esports
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
March 27 2015 00:39 GMT
#1643
If they use the in game voice, would it work better ?

Do Chinesse players use Skype ? They dont seem to have too much problems with DDOS
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Tephus
Profile Joined May 2011
Cascadia1754 Posts
March 27 2015 01:04 GMT
#1644
They can just use ANY OTHER voip. (mumble, ts, vent, raidcall, razor comms)

Most good Chinese teams are all in the same room, so they don't need it.
AdministratorTeam Liquid VP of Esports
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
March 27 2015 03:14 GMT
#1645
On March 27 2015 09:39 Faruko wrote:
If they use the in game voice, would it work better ?

Do Chinesse players use Skype ? They dont seem to have too much problems with DDOS

China is behind a gigantic firewall.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-27 07:39:08
March 27 2015 07:38 GMT
#1646
On March 27 2015 12:14 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2015 09:39 Faruko wrote:
If they use the in game voice, would it work better ?

Do Chinesse players use Skype ? They dont seem to have too much problems with DDOS

China is behind a gigantic firewall.

I believe it is called "The Great Firewall" or something like that.

Edit: Independently of results, how did they play? I missed both games.
Hoenicker
Profile Joined February 2012
243 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-27 07:52:24
March 27 2015 07:47 GMT
#1647
they are also one of the juiciest teams to DDoS due to betting odds around their games being skewed due to their past. Still, you don't require a PhD to protect yourself from DDoS's. I'm not sure if vanskor got DDoS'd though, it seemed like poor internet.

edit: seems like poor tournament design to let the teams have the decision, if players get DDoS'd the game should be re-scheduled, that way they (the DDoSer) doesnt win. Most DDoS's happen because people bet real money on these games, and want to make sure they win, if tournament organizers just banded together and sorted out issues like this it would greatly improve the scene.
Dysisa
Profile Joined July 2014
Sweden2376 Posts
March 27 2015 14:23 GMT
#1648
On March 27 2015 16:47 Hoenicker wrote:
they are also one of the juiciest teams to DDoS due to betting odds around their games being skewed due to their past. Still, you don't require a PhD to protect yourself from DDoS's. I'm not sure if vanskor got DDoS'd though, it seemed like poor internet.

edit: seems like poor tournament design to let the teams have the decision, if players get DDoS'd the game should be re-scheduled, that way they (the DDoSer) doesnt win. Most DDoS's happen because people bet real money on these games, and want to make sure they win, if tournament organizers just banded together and sorted out issues like this it would greatly improve the scene.

Wouldn't you agree that decisions like this is exactly what they SHOULD do then to stop the ddos attacks? You said it yourself that it's simple to solve, then punish the players for not doing that until they take it seriously enough to do that. It might seem silly to punish the players for getting targeted, but unfortunately they're the only ones to blame for not protecting themselves against it in the first place.
fuck dota 2 | "i don't like ppd, and i really look forward to one day beating that motherfucker" -Swindlemelonzz, my personal hero
Hoenicker
Profile Joined February 2012
243 Posts
March 27 2015 14:55 GMT
#1649
On March 27 2015 23:23 Dysisa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2015 16:47 Hoenicker wrote:
they are also one of the juiciest teams to DDoS due to betting odds around their games being skewed due to their past. Still, you don't require a PhD to protect yourself from DDoS's. I'm not sure if vanskor got DDoS'd though, it seemed like poor internet.

edit: seems like poor tournament design to let the teams have the decision, if players get DDoS'd the game should be re-scheduled, that way they (the DDoSer) doesnt win. Most DDoS's happen because people bet real money on these games, and want to make sure they win, if tournament organizers just banded together and sorted out issues like this it would greatly improve the scene.

Wouldn't you agree that decisions like this is exactly what they SHOULD do then to stop the ddos attacks? You said it yourself that it's simple to solve, then punish the players for not doing that until they take it seriously enough to do that. It might seem silly to punish the players for getting targeted, but unfortunately they're the only ones to blame for not protecting themselves against it in the first place.


DDoS's arent always that easy to protect agains though, it really depends on the determination of the DDoSSer. I think, in this game vanskor just has bad internet because he always has these issues, and being a proferssional dota2 player without good internet is inexcuseable.
Dysisa
Profile Joined July 2014
Sweden2376 Posts
March 27 2015 16:39 GMT
#1650
On March 27 2015 23:55 Hoenicker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2015 23:23 Dysisa wrote:
On March 27 2015 16:47 Hoenicker wrote:
they are also one of the juiciest teams to DDoS due to betting odds around their games being skewed due to their past. Still, you don't require a PhD to protect yourself from DDoS's. I'm not sure if vanskor got DDoS'd though, it seemed like poor internet.

edit: seems like poor tournament design to let the teams have the decision, if players get DDoS'd the game should be re-scheduled, that way they (the DDoSer) doesnt win. Most DDoS's happen because people bet real money on these games, and want to make sure they win, if tournament organizers just banded together and sorted out issues like this it would greatly improve the scene.

Wouldn't you agree that decisions like this is exactly what they SHOULD do then to stop the ddos attacks? You said it yourself that it's simple to solve, then punish the players for not doing that until they take it seriously enough to do that. It might seem silly to punish the players for getting targeted, but unfortunately they're the only ones to blame for not protecting themselves against it in the first place.


DDoS's arent always that easy to protect agains though, it really depends on the determination of the DDoSSer. I think, in this game vanskor just has bad internet because he always has these issues, and being a proferssional dota2 player without good internet is inexcuseable.

I know you can't entirely eliminate the problem that easily, but I do think it would narrow down the number of cases by a fair share. It's a nice short term solution while a long term one is laid out, I'd say.

Speak of the devil it seems Na'Vi are having connection issues again right now.
fuck dota 2 | "i don't like ppd, and i really look forward to one day beating that motherfucker" -Swindlemelonzz, my personal hero
Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
March 27 2015 16:40 GMT
#1651
I am not %100 sure it is easy to protect yourself from DDoS. But there are ways to prevent "random" people to commit a DDoS to a degree.
“Are you with the Cartel? Because you’re definitely an Angel.”
FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
March 29 2015 20:34 GMT
#1652
It was only 4ASC but nice performance from the boys today.
После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)
Abductedonut
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States324 Posts
March 29 2015 22:01 GMT
#1653
On March 30 2015 05:34 FHDH wrote:
It was only 4ASC but nice performance from the boys today.


Was Dendi drafting today? 4ASC did really well against secret (even took a game off of them), so it's nice to see Na`vi dispatch of them pretty easily!
Atoissen
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway1737 Posts
March 30 2015 11:03 GMT
#1654
On March 30 2015 07:01 Abductedonut wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2015 05:34 FHDH wrote:
It was only 4ASC but nice performance from the boys today.


Was Dendi drafting today? 4ASC did really well against secret (even took a game off of them), so it's nice to see Na`vi dispatch of them pretty easily!

Yes, Dendi was drafting.
“Strength lies not in defense but in attack.”
FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
March 30 2015 13:42 GMT
#1655
Dendi's drafting needs work but I do like seeing it. He has a definite flavor to his drafts; he's clearly got an idea of what he wants to do. Not sure it'll be the thing long-term but it's interesting to watch.

Anyway, why is it so damn long between Na'Vi games these days.
После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
March 30 2015 20:30 GMT
#1656
I dendi drafting has something going for

He has a clear idea of what he wants, even if his drafts arent the best, knowing what you are doing and were you are going its already half of the job done
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
March 31 2015 06:32 GMT
#1657
On March 31 2015 05:30 Faruko wrote:
I dendi drafting has something going for

What?
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
March 31 2015 11:43 GMT
#1658
On March 31 2015 15:32 Racket wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2015 05:30 Faruko wrote:
I dendi drafting has something going for

What?


Whatever, im too lazy to change it.
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Oliveran
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden72 Posts
March 31 2015 17:06 GMT
#1659
Hard to see a Drow and Lina can deal with a CK+Wisp and a Bristleback. They need some sick ulties from Disruptor and timing from Lion.
Gee Gee!
FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
March 31 2015 17:17 GMT
#1660
On April 01 2015 02:06 Oliveran wrote:
Hard to see a Drow and Lina can deal with a CK+Wisp and a Bristleback. They need some sick ulties from Disruptor and timing from Lion.

Yeah this is a loss and, if I understand right, eliminates Na'Vi from another Summit.

The boys need a lot of work and the fact that they are playing so infrequently right now is kinda shitty.
После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)
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