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bluzi
Profile Joined May 2011
4703 Posts
March 31 2015 17:38 GMT
#1661
On April 01 2015 02:17 FHDH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2015 02:06 Oliveran wrote:
Hard to see a Drow and Lina can deal with a CK+Wisp and a Bristleback. They need some sick ulties from Disruptor and timing from Lion.

Yeah this is a loss and, if I understand right, eliminates Na'Vi from another Summit.

The boys need a lot of work and the fact that they are playing so infrequently right now is kinda shitty.


They actually have a game every day or 2 .....
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
March 31 2015 17:45 GMT
#1662
They kinda had it hard as either NiP or Asus are better than NaVi right now, you cant do too much agaisnt that

I dont think anyone should be surprised

Secret and NiP/ASUS/c9 were always the favorites
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-31 18:12:13
March 31 2015 18:11 GMT
#1663
I dont like dendi drafts but phobos just joined, give it a couple of weeks and see how they are doing then.
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the bear jew
Profile Joined August 2014
United States3674 Posts
March 31 2015 21:01 GMT
#1664
On April 01 2015 02:17 FHDH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2015 02:06 Oliveran wrote:
Hard to see a Drow and Lina can deal with a CK+Wisp and a Bristleback. They need some sick ulties from Disruptor and timing from Lion.

Yeah this is a loss and, if I understand right, eliminates Na'Vi from another Summit.

The boys need a lot of work and the fact that they are playing so infrequently right now is kinda shitty.


I don't disagree with the draft. I see where Navi was going, when NiP 4th picked CK, it didn't matter who they went, CK/Tiny, either one was going to be a monster to deal with late game. So the idea behind Navi's draft was huge early game right click due to drow aura, push fast and give CK no time to get big.

I don't dislike the idea, just didn't work out.
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Salazarz
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Korea (South)2591 Posts
April 01 2015 04:35 GMT
#1665
On April 01 2015 06:01 the bear jew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2015 02:17 FHDH wrote:
On April 01 2015 02:06 Oliveran wrote:
Hard to see a Drow and Lina can deal with a CK+Wisp and a Bristleback. They need some sick ulties from Disruptor and timing from Lion.

Yeah this is a loss and, if I understand right, eliminates Na'Vi from another Summit.

The boys need a lot of work and the fact that they are playing so infrequently right now is kinda shitty.


I don't disagree with the draft. I see where Navi was going, when NiP 4th picked CK, it didn't matter who they went, CK/Tiny, either one was going to be a monster to deal with late game. So the idea behind Navi's draft was huge early game right click due to drow aura, push fast and give CK no time to get big.

I don't dislike the idea, just didn't work out.


I'm still waiting for the day when teams will start picking 4 ranged with drow + 1 beefy frontline like tide / bristle / cent etc. Put a tide in that game instead of the offlane morph and no matter how behind Na'Vi were during early game, there is no way NIP could take a 5v5 fight until at the very least both Bristle and CK had a BKB.
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
April 01 2015 11:45 GMT
#1666
On April 01 2015 06:01 the bear jew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2015 02:17 FHDH wrote:
On April 01 2015 02:06 Oliveran wrote:
Hard to see a Drow and Lina can deal with a CK+Wisp and a Bristleback. They need some sick ulties from Disruptor and timing from Lion.

Yeah this is a loss and, if I understand right, eliminates Na'Vi from another Summit.

The boys need a lot of work and the fact that they are playing so infrequently right now is kinda shitty.


I don't disagree with the draft. I see where Navi was going, when NiP 4th picked CK, it didn't matter who they went, CK/Tiny, either one was going to be a monster to deal with late game. So the idea behind Navi's draft was huge early game right click due to drow aura, push fast and give CK no time to get big.

I don't dislike the idea, just didn't work out.

Yea, you are right. I guess that even counter strategies should be practiced. No matter how good can that sound, if the players are not so sure what to do and when to do it, it can end either way.

I still remember a time when Dendi described a specific strategy they once tried, with specific minutes and seconds when they should be doing one thing and they couldn't do it in time and it all fell apart.

Anyway, I hope Dendi doesn't stop drafting. Even if it means they sucking bad for a long time. I wish he could grow as a better drafter and captain. But it is all up to him.
BillGates
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
471 Posts
April 01 2015 15:58 GMT
#1667
Dendi draft sucks big balls ass!

User was warned for this post
govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-01 16:27:25
April 01 2015 16:27 GMT
#1668
On April 02 2015 00:58 BillGates wrote:
Dendi draft sucks big balls ass!


Thx Bill! as a fellow philanthropist your opinion is regarded very highly on these elitist forums!
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Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
April 01 2015 17:01 GMT
#1669
On April 02 2015 01:27 govie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2015 00:58 BillGates wrote:
Dendi draft sucks big balls ass!


Thx Bill! as a fellow philanthropist your opinion is regarded very highly on these elitist forums!

I guess it is already on the news.
strayfire
Profile Joined April 2015
12 Posts
April 02 2015 18:05 GMT
#1670
It might be time to bring ArtStyle back... it's not clear what other option Na'Vi have. They're definitely going to have to go through the qualifiers for TI5, and their chances of winning over the likes of NiP/Polar are very slim right now.
FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
April 02 2015 18:12 GMT
#1671
On April 03 2015 03:05 strayfire wrote:
It might be time to bring ArtStyle back... it's not clear what other option Na'Vi have. They're definitely going to have to go through the qualifiers for TI5, and their chances of winning over the likes of NiP/Polar are very slim right now.

I think ideas like this are bad. The Na'Vi roster needs to move forward, not backward.
После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-02 18:14:06
April 02 2015 18:13 GMT
#1672
The ArtStyle that still owes Na'Vi $20,000 or w/e from TI1 yeah i'm sure they'll rehire him rofl
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bluzi
Profile Joined May 2011
4703 Posts
April 02 2015 18:17 GMT
#1673
They need to just hunker down , train hard get their confidence back and try and get better (and most likely it wont be enough), I dont see any 1 player switch that can elvate them into Tier 1 , surely not artstyle....
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
April 02 2015 19:45 GMT
#1674
On April 03 2015 03:17 bluzi wrote:
They need to just hunker down , train hard get their confidence back and try and get better (and most likely it wont be enough), I dont see any 1 player switch that can elvate them into Tier 1 , surely not artstyle....

But you have Alliance's example, which seems to be what everyone uses now, after several months of sucking real bad, not even Na`Vi level of bad but real real real bad.
Tephus
Profile Joined May 2011
Cascadia1754 Posts
April 02 2015 20:18 GMT
#1675
Their roster is fine now, they have shown good play even in their losses. Just give them a week or two of practice with this lineup.
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FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
April 02 2015 21:00 GMT
#1676
On April 03 2015 05:18 Tephus wrote:
Their roster is fine now, they have shown good play even in their losses. Just give them a week or two of practice with this lineup.

Agree. The roster is fine. It's a matter of getting down to the grind. Dendi's drafts will be sink or swim. No idea what is going on with in-game leadership. But there is no reason this roster can't be first-rate. It's just a question of whether it will.

Of course, a good coach wouldn't hurt.
После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)
Angeloidus
Profile Joined February 2012
Russian Federation251 Posts
April 02 2015 21:05 GMT
#1677
On April 03 2015 05:18 Tephus wrote:
Just give them a week or two of practice with this lineup.


I don't doubt they have the capability to improve given they practice. The real question is whether they will actually do it, and how motivated they are. Their morale must be low now, sadly.
govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
April 02 2015 21:13 GMT
#1678
What they should do imho is to not follow a patchmeta blindly, but just create their own. Dendi pudge, bloodseeker/lifestealer xvost etcetc. If envy can play TB every game then dendi may play pudges.
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Gevna
Profile Joined August 2010
France2332 Posts
April 02 2015 22:15 GMT
#1679
For once I'm gonna be a bit more skeptical about Navi's chances in the future. I mean from what I've seen from their recent games they seem to play a lot better, have way better early game with good rotations. But at some point (~30mins into the game) they have some kind of breakdown. I'm not sure how they're actually making calls, but if it's Dendi, it feels like when things aren't going well he tilts and then he can't really lead anymore.
I hope they can train their coordination, have more solid drafts and better gameplan overall, but I'm afraid that without a solid leadership, they can't be a solid team capable of insane comebacks, and not falling under heavy pressure.

Or I'm completely wrong, Dendi isn't even leading ingame, but they had very suspicious moves in the game they lost.
Salazarz
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Korea (South)2591 Posts
April 03 2015 00:17 GMT
#1680
The dumb moves they are making seem to be stemming from the fact that they are not always on the same page as to whether they should fight or flee etc, and their confidence is simply non-existent. There's been tons of situations where they should definitely had been taking fights head on but instead just scatter and give up kills / objectives because of it. They really need to stop looking behind, stop worrying about roster changes / disbands / whatever doom and gloom predicted, and simply play the game.
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