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On August 15 2015 15:10 AkipAkip wrote:
Unfortunately Aui_2000 was viewed as the weakest link in EG's line up. And PPD, or whoever was kicking most likely thought he could get a better player. PPD, Fear, Sumail, and Universe are definitely all in the top 3 players for each of their positions/roles but Aui_2000 is not. However the logic behind EG picking up RTZ is beyond me.
i'd disagree, name 3 players better at 4 than aui, and is available
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idk, it's easy to say Aui is amazing right now. But there's stuff we don't know. How diverse is his hero pool really? How fast can he adopt new strategies/playstyles? Does he get along with everyone? Does he contribute to the gameplan?
There are going to be players that are absolutely godlike one patch, and then they're mediocre or not as good as the next patch. We see this time and time again. A team will have mastered a patch, and then all cohesion and sense breaks down the next patch.
If you want a successful long-term team, you want to look for the most verstatile player you can find. And I think Fear is way more versatile with his experience than Aui.
Maybe Aui can prove everyone wrong, but at the end of the day, it was the captain's decision, and he made that decision at the most appropriate time. Aui isnt dumped the day before a huge tournament. I don't think the rest of the team is adamant in opposing ppd's decision.
It sucks, I really like Aui, I know he's talented, hopefully he can find a great team.
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On August 15 2015 19:03 lestye wrote:
idk, it's easy to say Aui is amazing right now. But there's stuff we don't know. How diverse is his hero pool really? How fast can he adopt new strategies/playstyles? Does he get along with everyone? Does he contribute to the gameplan?
There are going to be players that are absolutely godlike one patch, and then they're mediocre or not as good as the next patch. We see this time and time again. A team will have mastered a patch, and then all cohesion and sense breaks down the next patch.
If you want a successful long-term team, you want to look for the most verstatile player you can find. And I think Fear is way more versatile with his experience than Aui.
Maybe Aui can prove everyone wrong, but at the end of the day, it was the captain's decision, and he made that decision at the most appropriate time. Aui isnt dumped the day before a huge tournament. I don't think the rest of the team is adamant in opposing ppd's decision.
It sucks, I really like Aui, I know he's talented, hopefully he can find a great team.
They kicked him cuz RTZ wanted back , he wasnt kicked and THEN they decided to pick up RTZ , no need to look for Dota related reasons , they like RTZ better (Fear for sure) , he makes more money for the sponsers(so the org like him better) , and thats it , of course they also think they wouldnt be worst in the new roster but thats a risk because EG + aui is proven and this new EG squad is not.
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On August 15 2015 19:15 bluzi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2015 19:03 lestye wrote:
idk, it's easy to say Aui is amazing right now. But there's stuff we don't know. How diverse is his hero pool really? How fast can he adopt new strategies/playstyles? Does he get along with everyone? Does he contribute to the gameplan?
There are going to be players that are absolutely godlike one patch, and then they're mediocre or not as good as the next patch. We see this time and time again. A team will have mastered a patch, and then all cohesion and sense breaks down the next patch.
If you want a successful long-term team, you want to look for the most verstatile player you can find. And I think Fear is way more versatile with his experience than Aui.
Maybe Aui can prove everyone wrong, but at the end of the day, it was the captain's decision, and he made that decision at the most appropriate time. Aui isnt dumped the day before a huge tournament. I don't think the rest of the team is adamant in opposing ppd's decision.
It sucks, I really like Aui, I know he's talented, hopefully he can find a great team.
They kicked him cuz RTZ wanted back , he wasnt kicked and THEN they decided to pick up RTZ , no need to look for Dota related reasons , they like RTZ better (Fear for sure) , he makes more money for the sponsers(so the org like him better) , and thats it , of course they also think they wouldnt be worst in the new roster but thats a risk because EG + aui is proven and this new EG squad is not.
I think you're oversimnplifying things. I also think based on Fear's tweet, if he is going to get surgery, he's going to need to play a less demanding role for his wrist. That could be a factor as well to put Fear as 4 and RTZ as carry.
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How can anyone be a fan of EG when they pull this bullshit? Fuck this shit.
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Even more reasons to hate eg now. Team of big egos...not very nice to kick aui, thats for sure
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How is support "a less demanding role for his wrist"? Pretty sure that has absolutely nothing to do with it, the players just wanted Arteezy on the team and someone had to make way.
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On August 15 2015 19:29 DwD wrote:
How can anyone be a fan of EG when they pull this bullshit? Fuck this shit.
I like watching good and interesting dota, why wouldn't I be an EG fan?
I think it's weirder to cheer for teams based on how much you want to be friends with them.
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On August 15 2015 19:29 DwD wrote:
How can anyone be a fan of EG when they pull this bullshit? Fuck this shit.
Every team does this. Pro dota is ruthless.
Name me one team that hasn't kicked / replaced people.
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On August 15 2015 19:29 DwD wrote:
How can anyone be a fan of EG when they pull this bullshit? Fuck this shit.
Why the hell would a fan of any team care about anything other than playing well and winning? Look at BW or other normal sports, there is a team you like and you root for the team, the players play for the team.
Players come and go, but the team is always there.
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On August 15 2015 22:32 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2015 19:29 DwD wrote:
How can anyone be a fan of EG when they pull this bullshit? Fuck this shit. Why the hell would a fan of any team care about anything other than playing well and winning? Look at BW or other normal sports, there is a team you like and you root for the team, the players play for the team. Players come and go, but the team is always there.
Nice, awhile back it was "in dota players change so much you have to root for the player and not the team" but after this it's "root for the team, the players play for the team"
Roster changes and kicks happen all the time, this just became such a big deal because the way it was handled is an epic PR failure in all respects and yes that means the team has a part to play in that
Oh and I'm sure many people are fans of specific teams because of specific players. It's not a difficult concept to grasp, unless you are a rabid fanboy grasping at straws to find nice things to say about a comprehensively shitty situation.
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On August 15 2015 23:09 uriel- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2015 22:32 zeo wrote:On August 15 2015 19:29 DwD wrote:
How can anyone be a fan of EG when they pull this bullshit? Fuck this shit. Why the hell would a fan of any team care about anything other than playing well and winning? Look at BW or other normal sports, there is a team you like and you root for the team, the players play for the team. Players come and go, but the team is always there. Nice, awhile back it was "in dota players change so much you have to root for the player and not the team" but after this it's "root for the team, the players play for the team" Roster changes and kicks happen all the time, this just became such a big deal because the way it was handled is an epic PR failure in all respects and yes that means the team has a part to play in that Oh and I'm sure many people are fans of specific teams because of specific players. It's not a difficult concept to grasp, unless you are a rabid fanboy grasping at straws to find nice things to say about a comprehensively shitty situation.
I'm sure it was only an 'epic PR failure' because Aui released it all over Twitter, which is something they probably asked him specifically not to do until an official statement. Unless it was released somewhere before Aui did, maybe I'm off on my timeline.
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On August 15 2015 23:39 Beirut wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2015 23:09 uriel- wrote:On August 15 2015 22:32 zeo wrote:On August 15 2015 19:29 DwD wrote:
How can anyone be a fan of EG when they pull this bullshit? Fuck this shit. Why the hell would a fan of any team care about anything other than playing well and winning? Look at BW or other normal sports, there is a team you like and you root for the team, the players play for the team. Players come and go, but the team is always there. Nice, awhile back it was "in dota players change so much you have to root for the player and not the team" but after this it's "root for the team, the players play for the team" Roster changes and kicks happen all the time, this just became such a big deal because the way it was handled is an epic PR failure in all respects and yes that means the team has a part to play in that Oh and I'm sure many people are fans of specific teams because of specific players. It's not a difficult concept to grasp, unless you are a rabid fanboy grasping at straws to find nice things to say about a comprehensively shitty situation. I'm sure it was only an 'epic PR failure' because Aui released it all over Twitter, which is something they probably asked him specifically not to do until an official statement. Unless it was released somewhere before Aui did, maybe I'm off on my timeline.
Didn't Aui himself find out via twitter before EG even told him?
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On August 16 2015 01:12 dbssaber wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2015 23:39 Beirut wrote:On August 15 2015 23:09 uriel- wrote:On August 15 2015 22:32 zeo wrote:On August 15 2015 19:29 DwD wrote:
How can anyone be a fan of EG when they pull this bullshit? Fuck this shit. Why the hell would a fan of any team care about anything other than playing well and winning? Look at BW or other normal sports, there is a team you like and you root for the team, the players play for the team. Players come and go, but the team is always there. Nice, awhile back it was "in dota players change so much you have to root for the player and not the team" but after this it's "root for the team, the players play for the team" Roster changes and kicks happen all the time, this just became such a big deal because the way it was handled is an epic PR failure in all respects and yes that means the team has a part to play in that Oh and I'm sure many people are fans of specific teams because of specific players. It's not a difficult concept to grasp, unless you are a rabid fanboy grasping at straws to find nice things to say about a comprehensively shitty situation. I'm sure it was only an 'epic PR failure' because Aui released it all over Twitter, which is something they probably asked him specifically not to do until an official statement. Unless it was released somewhere before Aui did, maybe I'm off on my timeline. Didn't Aui himself find out via twitter before EG even told him?
No and people that say that are completely misreading his tweet asking for EG to confirm on twitter. He was asking EG to confirm because Aui already announced it and people were telling him to stop trolling.
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On August 15 2015 19:40 spudde123 wrote:
How is support "a less demanding role for his wrist"? Pretty sure that has absolutely nothing to do with it, the players just wanted Arteezy on the team and someone had to make way.
actually not the first time fear made way for rtz
the last time was that fear was playing heroes like puck or w/e spacemaking heroes in place of rtz cause rtz was playing all the farming heroes.
On August 15 2015 19:29 DwD wrote:
How can anyone be a fan of EG when they pull this bullshit? Fuck this shit.
i hate to tell you this but all teams are like this .. and there's probably very few players who didn't kick or didn't get involved in the kicking decision before
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On August 15 2015 19:18 lestye wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2015 19:15 bluzi wrote:On August 15 2015 19:03 lestye wrote:
idk, it's easy to say Aui is amazing right now. But there's stuff we don't know. How diverse is his hero pool really? How fast can he adopt new strategies/playstyles? Does he get along with everyone? Does he contribute to the gameplan?
There are going to be players that are absolutely godlike one patch, and then they're mediocre or not as good as the next patch. We see this time and time again. A team will have mastered a patch, and then all cohesion and sense breaks down the next patch.
If you want a successful long-term team, you want to look for the most verstatile player you can find. And I think Fear is way more versatile with his experience than Aui.
Maybe Aui can prove everyone wrong, but at the end of the day, it was the captain's decision, and he made that decision at the most appropriate time. Aui isnt dumped the day before a huge tournament. I don't think the rest of the team is adamant in opposing ppd's decision.
It sucks, I really like Aui, I know he's talented, hopefully he can find a great team.
They kicked him cuz RTZ wanted back , he wasnt kicked and THEN they decided to pick up RTZ , no need to look for Dota related reasons , they like RTZ better (Fear for sure) , he makes more money for the sponsers(so the org like him better) , and thats it , of course they also think they wouldnt be worst in the new roster but thats a risk because EG + aui is proven and this new EG squad is not. I think you're oversimnplifying things. I also think based on Fear's tweet, if he is going to get surgery, he's going to need to play a less demanding role for his wrist. That could be a factor as well to put Fear as 4 and RTZ as carry.
I think you are over complicating things  , there is no WAY that a Carry APM is higher then a Support , why should it be ? in a normal setup of a game , mid is the most click heavy hero hands down , and then its the supports , they roam/stack/move/pull/gank around the map , check items on heroes when they appear in lanes (usually looking for wards on them),
Carry usually has to last hit , which is not intense at ALL ,until he joins fights later on , and then he just uses his skills like any other hero in dota , Aui Naga had much more micro to it then a Gyro safelane for example.
They just wanted him back ..... and its OK for them to do it , i just think its a dick move thats all.
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i hate to tell you this but all teams are like this .. and there's probably very few players who didn't kick or didn't get involved in the kicking decision before
is a waste of time to try and explain, it's the same shit all over when the 3 way thingie happened
and that's why I wrote in the Secret T thread that people should wake me up when this crap is over, since this period doesn't bring much but the worst out of some forum people
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On August 16 2015 02:19 bluzi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2015 19:18 lestye wrote:On August 15 2015 19:15 bluzi wrote:On August 15 2015 19:03 lestye wrote:
idk, it's easy to say Aui is amazing right now. But there's stuff we don't know. How diverse is his hero pool really? How fast can he adopt new strategies/playstyles? Does he get along with everyone? Does he contribute to the gameplan?
There are going to be players that are absolutely godlike one patch, and then they're mediocre or not as good as the next patch. We see this time and time again. A team will have mastered a patch, and then all cohesion and sense breaks down the next patch.
If you want a successful long-term team, you want to look for the most verstatile player you can find. And I think Fear is way more versatile with his experience than Aui.
Maybe Aui can prove everyone wrong, but at the end of the day, it was the captain's decision, and he made that decision at the most appropriate time. Aui isnt dumped the day before a huge tournament. I don't think the rest of the team is adamant in opposing ppd's decision.
It sucks, I really like Aui, I know he's talented, hopefully he can find a great team.
They kicked him cuz RTZ wanted back , he wasnt kicked and THEN they decided to pick up RTZ , no need to look for Dota related reasons , they like RTZ better (Fear for sure) , he makes more money for the sponsers(so the org like him better) , and thats it , of course they also think they wouldnt be worst in the new roster but thats a risk because EG + aui is proven and this new EG squad is not. I think you're oversimnplifying things. I also think based on Fear's tweet, if he is going to get surgery, he's going to need to play a less demanding role for his wrist. That could be a factor as well to put Fear as 4 and RTZ as carry. I think you are over complicating things , there is no WAY that a Carry APM is higher then a Support , why should it be ? in a normal setup of a game , mid is the most click heavy hero hands down , and then its the supports , they roam/stack/move/pull/gank around the map , check items on heroes when they appear in lanes (usually looking for wards on them), Carry usually has to last hit , which is not intense at ALL ,until he joins fights later on , and then he just uses his skills like any other hero in dota , Aui Naga had much more micro to it then a Gyro safelane for example. They just wanted him back ..... and its OK for them to do it , i just think its a dick move thats all.
Since when has APM matter in dota? Its not about clicking fast, even on heroes like Meepo.
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I don't see the controversy here at all. Arteezy is a better player then Aui and if his ego does not clash with ppd's again this should be a improvement. It's a good move to keep things fresh and getting a hungry player into a allready successfull team helps keeping that team focused on the next prize. Provided Fear transition well, and given the chemistry he has with the other players and his incredible game understanding I think he will, this is a improvement and will give EG one of the two best players in the world in every position.
Complaining that the kick was too soon after TI is also silly since that gives Aui the best shott at finding a new team.
This is not a buddy-buddy thing it's a sport with millions of dollar in prize pools and then the good of the team needs to come first. If a option to improve your team comes along you grab it.
I'm very excited to see this line up in action.
Sucks for Aui but that's sports for you.
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On August 15 2015 19:40 spudde123 wrote:
How is support "a less demanding role for his wrist"? Pretty sure that has absolutely nothing to do with it, the players just wanted Arteezy on the team and someone had to make way.
you (can afford to) click less when you play support / offlane.
as a carry you click all the time, mid as well for that matter.
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