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The key to beating EG is to shut down Sumail it seems... He was a non factor both games rly.
Fear didnt get enough resources either, I understand Fear is effectively is the 3'rd pos in farm on EG, but against the best teams we need 3 farmed cores... Rtz cant do it alone.
Props to LGD tho, god plays from Fy, and amazing vision play from xNova in game2, always got the track on the Bat, and scouted EG's moves.
Lower bracket now, not out yet, keep learning, keep getting better 
Edit: Tbh, BH just destroyed our game... We were walking to much as 5 watching Rtz farm with BH tracking our moves and LGD picking the better fights and farming just a little bit more the whole time.
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Sumail is basically the Miracle of EG; the sooner this team finds a Matumbaman type player who plays second fiddle to Sumail, the sooner EG will truly be able to compete with the top tier 1 teams. The last time this was the case was during 2015 when Fear filled this role and RTZ had left the team for Secret... and guess what? EG won both DAC and TI.
Comparing Sumail's heroes played in the series against Newbee and LGD confirmed this for me. When he played Puck and Leshrac against Newbee, EG won both games easily. Against LGD his Enigma and Batrider were on the bottom half of the networth charts and lacklustre and they lost 0-2. Granted, Newbee is not nearly as good as LGD but this has been a common trend for EG in many past tournaments now.
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EG seems to have problems against invis hero late game. Also they lost in team fights so think they need to look at positioning and team fights.
Also Sumail had bad day, he lost first game for them with bad placement in fight followed up with a blackhole that missed everybody. Was interesting to see Fear being main carry on troll in first game.
Think supports played really well today.
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On April 04 2018 14:16 Masamune wrote:
Sumail is basically the Miracle of EG; the sooner this team finds a Matumbaman type player who plays second fiddle to Sumail, the sooner EG will truly be able to compete with the top tier 1 teams. The last time this was the case was during 2015 when Fear filled this role and RTZ had left the team for Secret... and guess what? EG won both DAC and TI.
Comparing Sumail's heroes played in the series against Newbee and LGD confirmed this for me. When he played Puck and Leshrac against Newbee, EG won both games easily. Against LGD his Enigma and Batrider were on the bottom half of the networth charts and lacklustre and they lost 0-2. Granted, Newbee is not nearly as good as LGD but this has been a common trend for EG in many past tournaments now.
Fear is supposed to be EG's Matumbaman imo, and I think he did well. But yes I agree, the big factor is the heroes drafted for Sumail in both games. When EG played 3 cores, they look dominant and confident enough to push/fight/rosh depending on the situation.
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People complained earlier that EG was predictable if Sumail only play Puck and heroes like him they will be just that. Think the problem wasn't the Enigma pick but that Sumail didn't played it as well as he could. The batrider should suit him more but didn't really have the impact.
Maybe they would be better here and now if Sumail didn't use these heroes but come TI18 EG will be better of him using them in competitive matches. They need to be in the offlane heropool to avoid being to predictable.
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Charlie Sheens House51449 Posts
Game 1 from EG was just poor blackholes and team fight in general. They had the tools to win that game after the laning stage but made mistakes which cost them. Probably focused a bit to much on killing TB all the time and the clock/nyx were good blackhole counters anyway. Sumail didn't do as good as normal which is understable he can't be on it every single game. Then couple of bad fights, into one last hoorah blackhole, then somehow we are hitting enemy throne but they just let Rtc die so fast it was nuts, if Rtc stays up or if they just yolo dived the TB they might have been able to do something but everyone got caught and Rtc dies and game over.
Game 2, awful laning phase, they 2-1-2 mirrored for them to watch the shaman move from underlord lane to go bot to tri lane sumail and misery and did not react. Let Gyro win that lane comfortably whilst letting DK have a bad matchup mid. Bat gets dumpstered and had a 17 minute blink and no levels. Also whiffed again from sumail but he kinda got sacked in the lane which they don't normally do. Doesn't help if your behind/need damage Fear DK ain't going to do shit, he seems to be tasked with "clearing the backline" as in the game losing fight he is in the back line trying to kill 2 supports whilst his team is running away TT
They need to not give Sumail those kinda heroes, or if they really think it is a draft to do that, they need to make sure he 100% wins his lane. Alternatively Fear needs to then be a on hero that can contribute damage wise late game. Now EG have 2x bo1 to go through which is not helped with fact the liquipedia i think is fucked up or the tournament is stupid. As it is saying we are vs VP in which we shouldn't be imo, but anyway it still has us then play the loser of LGD/Liquid in another bo1 which isn't what happens in double elimination. It should flip and you should fact the otherside of the bracket aka the Optic/Mineski/VG/TNC side
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I'm totally fine with game 1 loss. I think it all came down to the top push with Sumail's missed black hole. I think that EG tried to make a game winning play because Viper was dead with no buyback, and they tried to turn to punish LGD's new buybacks. If they walk away with those kills, game over, EG wins. However, it didn't workout that way, and they lose, but they tried to take game winning risks in game 1 of best of 3.
Game 2 I think was a draft issue / laning issue. I think EG expected UL vs Bat 1v1 but EG didn't fight for this lane. Sumail can't lane vs BH, SS, and Gyro. I think they should switch lanes by walking and take the gold/xp loss of the first wave. Then if LGD TP swiches EG can mirror to get Bat vs UL 1v1.
Close games overall.
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Imo Lgd played better the midgame, they found way to many kills that slowed eg bit by bit. Anyway, i believe EG can win against VP.
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game 1 loss was heartbreaking. game 2 loss was pretty expected.
best of luck against VP. love my boys in blue, but i give it about a 12% chance to win the series.
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I don't think Fear saw the Gyrocopter, it was during night vision
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On April 05 2018 11:38 Gaial wrote:
I don't think Fear saw the Gyrocopter, it was during night vision
pretty abysmal showing. not sure the rationale for this troll logic - seems like a trash hero considering how many stars need to align for him to be effective.
oh well - best of luck. EG only has 2 tournaments remaining for DPC. can only pray a new team like mineski or TnC doesnt grab points and knocks EG to 8th. EG needs to secure points in 1 of these next 2 DPC tourneys or they most likely aren't getting invited.
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Chances of EG winning the game is pretty low, VP is just miles ahead atm.
Missing out on Epicenter and Changsa Major can really hurt the team, hopefully they take sth from the Birmingham and the Last Major (hoping that either we're invited or won the quals). Winning them will help the team in TI.
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Disappointing but not surprising. Personally I think its a combination of things. One of which, I think it has to do with Artour being ultra mega hard on for hitting creeps and not fighting with his team. Drafts matter so much. In this meta most teams are picking carries that can fight early. No ams, specs, Alches, very few dusa, morphling. I know Arteezy and the rest of the team is very skilled. However, I feel like Fear is making bonehead plays and has been playing like the same 3 heros every game. I feel likes hes just not top tier anymore. I feel like if they picked, more fighting type carries like most other top teams they would have better chances. Also beyond predictable lanes/picks. But what do I know I'm a noob. I hope they improve enough to be a force at Ti.
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Charlie Sheens House51449 Posts
Actually fucking awful that was ffs. Fucking shite! What on earth are they doing. Sack all the lanes of any use and watch Gyro Lifesteal Omni grow and take absolutely awful fights whilst the big "core" is going battlefury xDDDDDDDDD
Wtf was that crap.
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The worst thing is with both Liquid and VP in loser bracket someone else is getting significant dpc points out of this. sad days
On April 05 2018 17:07 quake wrote:
Disappointing but not surprising. Personally I think its a combination of things. One of which, I think it has to do with Artour being ultra mega hard on for hitting creeps and not fighting with his team. Drafts matter so much. In this meta most teams are picking carries that can fight early. No ams, specs, Alches, very few dusa, morphling. I know Arteezy and the rest of the team is very skilled. However, I feel like Fear is making bonehead plays and has been playing like the same 3 heros every game. I feel likes hes just not top tier anymore. I feel like if they picked, more fighting type carries like most other top teams they would have better chances. Also beyond predictable lanes/picks. But what do I know I'm a noob. I hope they improve enough to be a force at Ti.
There sure is a lot of complaints abouts fears hero pool after a game in which he played a different hero. I think its hilariously stupid how every time EG loses a game everyone talks shit and backseat captains them, but whatever. If we are all airing our personal noob opinions I also am distinctly unimpressed by troll. I wonder what happened in scrims to make them think it was good.
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Charlie Sheens House51449 Posts
EG need hope VG beat Mineski and the VP beat Mineski to keep the top 4 as Liquid/TNC VP, VG & LGD which would do them fine. If not they lose out on points. TNC getting points is of no worry at the moment due to they are not at the other majors either. LGD getting points means we are probably going to be fighting off with Mineski/NAVI for the last place in points. Hopefully Mineski fail in the majors at securing points to.
Back to the heroes, why don't EG just pick Gyro for Fear every game, hero is still relevant because it gets online super fast and at level 6 he can just run around and calldown everyone. Give fear a hero that is online fast, reason the Lycan hero is good for him is because it is dangerous in any lane once he has level 6, then still very strong with HoD and Ult running around. Then he just "slowly" can farm a necro 3 and help with push. If you can't use that kinda hero he goes onto his DK/DP which again can do alot with just ult. Gyro fits perfectly into this mold as well, get level 6 and you are able to do damage. VP practically did the same, they can run around and gank every lane once gyro is level 6. They were mass tp'n as well stoping the ganks of EG which they did not learn from in Game 1 they played in group stage either.
Also ths big issue is now EG have no games to play until ESL One Birmingham and at best they might be playing in the qualifier for the last Chinesne major if they don't get an invite. If they do get an invite they are literally not playing any games until 23rd may which will be round 1 of the ESL Major! Luckily after that its less than a week until the last Chinese major starts, but still it is quite crazy if there is no time to play proper games as scrimming can be an issue due ot being based in NA.
I doubt they will do any changes until after TI now in terms of roster but they might do! I mean sumail playing offlane is fine butnow in this meta there is no reason why he can't go back to mid as it isn't 3v3 anymore.
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I think teams don't care all that much about points, TI is not about getting direct invites, it's about being in the best form possible to win. So i wouldn't worry about how many points they can scrap but rather worry if they're playing well
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Charlie Sheens House51449 Posts
True but then if you re address the fact they are now playing in only 2 of the last 6 tournaments pre TI...they don't have much chance to play their way into form. They literally have 6 weeks without a game now unless there is qualifiers they are playing in for the last China Major.
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In the end it'll be fine. I don't believe playing more competitive games will make them any better than they are now.
I think they need to reevaluate how theyre attacking the game abd what will propel them past VP & TL. Liquid and VP (and LGD) consistently overrotate early game to get a lead and also find Arteezy alone farming ancients.
EG's mid game execution has improved from pre Misery, but they struggle when doing 2-1-2 lanes. Sometimes I think they play too far forward in their minds with their drafts. if they'd take 1 step back I think they'd improve; I think thats why they pigeonhole themselves with AA and DK/Viper
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