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ESL One Genting - The View From The Top

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Shrinkzxo
Profile Blog Joined August 2014
Dotoland672 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-22 14:24:11
January 22 2018 14:09 GMT
#1
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Dota 2 seems to be refreshed in 2018: Valve has now been more involved than ever in the running of individual tournaments. Before further clarifying that a Major must have 16 teams, it has already revoked the major status of Galaxy Battles II: Emerging Worlds. The tournament had fallen as a victim of the Philippine government’s long-raging war on drugs. The developer and publisher of the game cited the government policies infringement on players’ privacy as the primary reason to rescind the very important DPC points.

But EG and VGJ.Thunder fans have none of that with both teams performing quite admirably and making it to the finals. The new constitution of EG has apparently worked: Arteezy is still better left to play the harder carries, his occasional deaths in the early and mid game not affecting the team’s ganking tempo. Flashy plays made on a regular basis may not be in Fear’s arsenal but plenty of experience and far superior game sense and maturity have well equipped him to deal with any challenges that might come his way. Sumail’s offlane has also proven to be quite superb with strong initiations and decent laning on a variety of heroes throughout Galaxy Battles.

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However, whatever momentum Evil Geniuses have now, they will enter ESL One Genting as the 4th or 5th favourite. The team that beat them, VGJ.Thunder, are around the same if not lower expectations despite their recent 3-0 final victory at Galaxy Battles. Team Secret, Vici Gaming, Virtus Pro, and probably Newbee all are more convincing candidates to vie for the top prize. But all eyes will still be on Team Liquid. The TI winners’ momentum does not show any sign of abating. Yes, they lost games here and there and did not win all the tournaments they entered, but that was unrealistic in the first place. They relaxed a bit, which is more than deserving for what they had achieved, but there is no sign of them falling victim to the same problems that plagued Alliance and Newbee after their TI victories.

Liquid can adapt very well and change is indeed what Liquid must do. Old Na’Vi fans will know that even the most glorious reign comes to an end. New patches come out, the map is re-designed and re-fitted. Items have their composition, function, and strengths changed. New items are made. Heroes learn new abilities as they forget some of the old. But Liquid can be proud of themselves for the consistency they have shown. Only Na’Vi has ever done better than they have done; that took the Yellow Legion three years to prove it. Liquid has had only a year and a half together and are quickly approaching Na`Vi’s throne.

After winning TI6, Wings rode on their winning streak to win Nanyang Cup and Northern Arena BEAT Invitational. The sudden slump was not totally expected but considering the team’s history it was not that erratic by their standards; the new single-elimination format was also given the blame as all Chinese teams seemed to have gone to sleep for the winter. They soon bounced back in last year’s ESL One Genting, finishing top 4. But it was the last tournament of significance that they participated in as Wings. At this point last year, the rumours of discord between Wings’ management and their five players had already been in circulation for more than a month and was later proved that the dispute about pay was already disrupting the team’s morale and interfering with training and playing. We shall never know what exactly happened in later episodes of the rectangular disputes among the players, the management, ACE, and the fans. Wings were another victim of success at TI.

EG had a good run after their TI5 win, too. Personnel changes were minor and deeper acrimonies did not surface until very recently. They were still overall successful despite bitterness in interpersonal relationships, managing to clinch the final day of TI the year after as well. But the failure to win a Major could hurt them as this season progresses, and it is something we are sure EG wishes to amend.

Then there was Newbee, who lost the only player (Hao) who was hungry for more glory. Mu’s great RPG adventures seemed partly to be a result of not playing with Hao, but it was below par for what people expected from a TI winner. Like iG two years ago, they suffered from a change of heart. In the cruelly competitive environment of professional Dota, trying to muddle along was never going to cut it.

True the lineups of iG, Alliance, and Newbee all changed substantially after their respective TI win, but that is just another testament of the hard work required to keep winning. Liquid has done the sensible thing to stick together, and numerous teams have asked the question in the same position. As of now, Secret has twice successfully dislodged Liquid in a final. Vici and Mineski came close. VP are good to go. LFY feels they were painfully close to prevent Liquid from claiming the Aegis in the first place. Other teams will have nothing to lose, that is, if Newbee can throw what SGamer and Weibo have to say behind them.

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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6600 Posts
January 22 2018 14:44 GMT
#2
I'm actually excited to see this tournament. Interesting format and good teams in attendance. This thing is a Major in everything but name lol
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goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44282 Posts
January 22 2018 14:55 GMT
#3
On January 22 2018 23:44 OmniEulogy wrote:
I'm actually excited to see this tournament. Interesting format and good teams in attendance. This thing is a Major in everything but name lol

Yeah i think most of the best teams are here
this is a quote
spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
January 22 2018 15:02 GMT
#4
Unfortunate that the first round in the upper bracket is bo1. There are some nice matchups that would be fun as bo3. VG vs VGJT, coL vs Fnatic, NaVi vs EG, Mineski vs TNC and LFY vs Newbee are all pretty interesting to me. Secret, Liquid and VP should win their games. Is Solo back playing?
BlazingGlory
Profile Joined February 2010
Bulgaria855 Posts
January 22 2018 15:05 GMT
#5
Someone fixed these groupings, right? Why is there a need to do such a thing.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
January 22 2018 15:56 GMT
#6
This tournaments confuses me with its bracket system, BO1 first series and all be it very strange seeding as for me the groups seem a bit off in terms of who is vs who.

Group A (5/8ranked)
1 vs unranked
13 vs 9
5 vs unranked
2 vs unranked
Group B (7/8 ranked)
2 vs Unranked
10 vs 7
5 vs 11
4 vs 13

Seems bit random the groups? :D

Oh well, still should be action packed and you have to beat everyone!
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MetalMercury
Profile Joined January 2015
United States1161 Posts
January 22 2018 16:46 GMT
#7
Out of groups, I'm expecting the following teams:

Group A: Team Secret, Virtus Pro, VGJ.Thunder

Group B: Team Liquid, Newbee, Mineski

I'm super psyched for this tournament, but what is this article? Where's the quality I've come to expect from Team Liquid? There's no team previews, no dive into teams or analysis, just some strange prognostication on the significance of team performance in tournaments after winning TI.
GOHF
Profile Joined December 2015
United States1864 Posts
January 22 2018 20:12 GMT
#8
On January 23 2018 01:46 MetalMercury wrote:
Out of groups, I'm expecting the following teams:

Group A: Team Secret, Virtus Pro, VGJ.Thunder

Group B: Team Liquid, Newbee, Mineski

I'm super psyched for this tournament, but what is this article? Where's the quality I've come to expect from Team Liquid? There's no team previews, no dive into teams or analysis, just some strange prognostication on the significance of team performance in tournaments after winning TI.

Vgj over the Vg main squad?

And yeah, I don’t know why the author is writing about the TI curse superstition instead of the upcoming tournament. Really a head scratcher.
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MetalMercury
Profile Joined January 2015
United States1161 Posts
January 22 2018 20:42 GMT
#9
On January 23 2018 05:12 M.S.Bismarck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2018 01:46 MetalMercury wrote:
Out of groups, I'm expecting the following teams:

Group A: Team Secret, Virtus Pro, VGJ.Thunder

Group B: Team Liquid, Newbee, Mineski

I'm super psyched for this tournament, but what is this article? Where's the quality I've come to expect from Team Liquid? There's no team previews, no dive into teams or analysis, just some strange prognostication on the significance of team performance in tournaments after winning TI.

Vgj over the Vg main squad?

And yeah, I don’t know why the author is writing about the TI curse superstition instead of the upcoming tournament. Really a head scratcher.


Call VGJ over VG a gut feeling. For some reason I was really impressed with their play at Galaxy Battles, and since China's a mess until about 3 months before TI I don't really see another team in that bracket I like.

I guess, if you wanna get a bit more technical, I'd say that the fall off after the top 2 of group A is significantly less than the fall off after the top two of group B (though I'm a Mineski fanboy, they still haven't completely earned my trust again since the new patch hit, though Captain's Draft was promising).
Wineandbread
Profile Joined September 2009
United States2065 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-22 21:32:57
January 22 2018 21:23 GMT
#10
I actually forgot this was a minor for a bit because of the team prestige going into this tournament, pretty much all the big dogs here.

Interesting group system, very rewarding to enter semis for winning groups, guaranteed circuit points there.

Looking forward to the games!
[edit] I also forgot the EN stream is on facebook, zz
let's see how this goes..
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
January 22 2018 23:27 GMT
#11
Oh yeah this is a minor lol, probably the most hype tournament post TI in any case
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crystalisdota
Profile Joined November 2017
7 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-23 23:39:25
January 23 2018 23:38 GMT
#12
Even though they rank EG higher than VGJ, this is not true. As we have witnessed; although VGJ lost to VP, they have quite vividly performed well against a higher ranked team. Whereas EG got spanked by Navi even though EG are ranked higher. At the moment, EG do not know how to play together quite well.
Here is my analysis regarding EG and their loss to Navi at ESL ONE GENTING 2018:
VvvV1251
Profile Joined January 2016
Algeria142 Posts
January 24 2018 04:09 GMT
#13
Fucked up format, just split into 4 groups and go for GSL format, or straight out double-elimination bracket.
Konrar
Profile Joined October 2017
18 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-25 19:07:07
January 25 2018 19:06 GMT
#14
Actually I like it. It now works the same as Football format at least. Only problem that it shouldnt be BO1 at the beginning. Its only BO1 for loser bracket. They are loser, they must fight for their places if they want to go further.
Bigtony
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1606 Posts
January 26 2018 00:11 GMT
#15
why doesnt this post have a link to the stream? took me a while to finally track it down on facebook.
Push 2 Harder
Madhoof
Profile Joined January 2012
Austria8 Posts
January 26 2018 12:47 GMT
#16
On January 26 2018 09:11 Bigtony wrote:
why doesnt this post have a link to the stream? took me a while to finally track it down on facebook.


A short look at the liquipedia site for this event (where the available streams for this event where listed as always), was too hard?
I'm with stupid ;)
Bigtony
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1606 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-26 22:19:49
January 26 2018 22:17 GMT
#17
On January 26 2018 21:47 Madhoof wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2018 09:11 Bigtony wrote:
why doesnt this post have a link to the stream? took me a while to finally track it down on facebook.


A short look at the liquipedia site for this event (where the available streams for this event where listed as always), was too hard?


You're really defending the editorial decision to post a front page write up about a streamed event not having a prominent link in the article but instead behind a click and all the way at the bottom of a completely separate page? I don't think the links were even on the liquipedia page on the day this article was posted.
Push 2 Harder
dravernor
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
Netherlands6192 Posts
January 27 2018 18:22 GMT
#18
Pretty excited for the finals
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