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Yurie
11665 Posts
On April 27 2016 21:42 Shrinkzxo wrote: I think you still need to call them VG.Reborn..... Valve has the logo for it. Think they went with Vici Gaming instead for the name recognition. The full name is too long to fit in the space I think. | ||
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Furikawari
France2522 Posts
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
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Geisterkarle
Germany3257 Posts
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Salazarz
Korea (South)2590 Posts
On April 27 2016 20:57 DucK- wrote: Their losses don't look that bad. Their group stages looked good as well. That's enough for me. Relative to their peers and other fringe teams (say VP Vega etc) they have shown more consistency in their performances. Doesn't matter if they have not won anything. Sadly if we were to justify invites solely on merit, only liquid, VGR and wings would have made the cut. The 2 Chinese teams stood out among their Chinese peers. Liquid has the same roster and performed at the same top level. Eg and secret are unproven with their new lineup, and their invites are justified solely on reputation of performing well in top events. Navi/col have not won anything, alliance og MVP are in a slump, Fnatic has only won against sea teams and fucked up at ESL, LGD did alright in star ladder, but examining it closely it was only 2 Bo3 wins and that they are a mess domestically. More consistency in what performance, taking last places all the time? Yeah, sure. Who cares whether you look bad or not during the games if in the end you're losing to everyone anyway? You're right about many other teams being either slumping or unproven -- but that's precisely why there should be more qualifier spots and fewer invites. Let them earn their place at what's supposed to be the cream of the crop tourney instead of getting in by virtue of 'not looking too bad' while losing left right and center. | ||
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Salazarz
Korea (South)2590 Posts
On April 27 2016 21:39 lolfail9001 wrote: OG Bo3 wins since (including) Shanghai major discounting Bo1s and group stages: MVP. and Alliance, both at SL. Alliance Bo3 wins since (including) Shanghai major discounting Bo1s and group stages: VP LGD Bo3 wins since (including) Shanghai major discounting Bo1s and group stages: Vega, Alliance. As you see, coL/OG/[A]/LGD are all in the same boat here. But coL has top 6 Shanghai to speak for them and Volvo invites top 6 at previous major without questions. I don't even like LGD / Alliance / OG getting invited much either as their last few months (at least OG and A, LGD aren't doing too bad in China at least) looked very weak. But at least they have had actual achievements in the past. I'm not talking about just the last few months, I mean in the entire lifespan of Complexity as a team they have won two best of 3's. TWO SERIES. Total, EVER. So now all it takes to get an invite to a major is 2 bo1 wins and one bo3? I mean, qualifiers are harder to get through than that. How does that make sense? | ||
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dragonswarrior
389 Posts
Also hoping Na'Vi will have a good run. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11446 Posts
On April 27 2016 22:04 Salazarz wrote: More consistency in what performance, taking last places all the time? Yeah, sure. Who cares whether you look bad or not during the games if in the end you're losing to everyone anyway? You're right about many other teams being either slumping or unproven -- but that's precisely why there should be more qualifier spots and fewer invites. Let them earn their place at what's supposed to be the cream of the crop tourney instead of getting in by virtue of 'not looking too bad' while losing left right and center. With the same lineup, they have been top 6 at shanghai, top 4 at dotapit, winning epicenter and ESL Frankfurt qualifier, but finishing 5-6 at ESL manila. Playing well even if they loss shows credibility and ability to compete. We don't want teams that gets outclassed by their opponents, in the same manner like how ehome got shit on at manila. Col's case isn't the strongest. But if you compare with their peers, they are easily a better choice. | ||
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maze.
Germany1392 Posts
On April 27 2016 21:42 Shrinkzxo wrote: I think you still need to call them VG.Reborn..... Fy's team is Vici Gaming's A team. Burning and co are the B team. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
On April 27 2016 22:11 Salazarz wrote: I don't even like LGD / Alliance / OG getting invited much either as their last few months (at least OG and A, LGD aren't doing too bad in China at least) looked very weak. But at least they have had actual achievements in the past. I'm not talking about just the last few months, I mean in the entire lifespan of Complexity as a team they have won two best of 3's. TWO SERIES. Total, EVER. So now all it takes to get an invite to a major is 2 bo1 wins and one bo3? I mean, qualifiers are harder to get through than that. How does that make sense? 1. coL won 4 Bo3 series on premier LANs (yes, one was against Mineski and another against i dontknowwho but whatever). 2. coL won all the NA qualifiers. So, yes, coL does have way more to show for it than OG or LGD results-wise. | ||
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Vertical
Indonesia4317 Posts
On April 27 2016 14:40 Thetwinmasters wrote: lgd over NB lol The team that has a 75% wr in china and is super dominant gets shoved aside for a team barely above 50% just because of xiao8 lol I'd say it's due to international exposure | ||
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tapes
487 Posts
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Vertical
Indonesia4317 Posts
there's going to be lots of surprises, but not in a goo way | ||
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Dysisa
Sweden2376 Posts
On April 27 2016 22:00 TanGeng wrote: Since valve's inviting so many peoples, maybe they can invite another ass to host their tournament coverage again and publicly fire that ass? I'd pay to see Gaben fire a donkey live on stage. | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
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ref4
2933 Posts
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TheVideoGameGuy
India211 Posts
It's like the first bam is the patch, and the second bam these invites. | ||
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EyeKon
Canada129 Posts
On April 27 2016 22:24 lolfail9001 wrote: 1. coL won 4 Bo3 series on premier LANs (yes, one was against Mineski and another against i dontknowwho but whatever). 2. coL won all the NA qualifiers. So, yes, coL does have way more to show for it than OG or LGD results-wise. I completely agree. I think Col is justified, as well as NaVi. OG have struggled since they're amazing fall of 2015, they are the most questionable invite for me. It's pretty clear that they need to make a transparent set of rules for them to follow. Going from 8 invites for the last 2 majors to 12 invites because they didn't want to make some hard decisions is in some way taking the easy way out. The reality is they have no accountability as to why they are doing what they are doing. They do it, the rest of us speculate and may even try to justify why they did it, but in the end we really don't know for certain. | ||
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Shrinkzxo
Dotoland672 Posts
On April 27 2016 22:22 maze. wrote: Fy's team is Vici Gaming's A team. Burning and co are the B team. https://twitter.com/GodBlessMali/status/723427034211340288 I sure this did not happen. | ||
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
Well maybe its not true, but it's how it should work... | ||
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