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Kamakiri
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden312 Posts
October 29 2012 18:51 GMT
#421
I remember reading this thread one year ago, and seeing all the flack you got. I think it is really awesome that one year later you are playing with Loda and Akke, respect man and good luck.
cancer lancer, faceless cancer
thragar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada450 Posts
October 29 2012 18:56 GMT
#422
I remember watching you a bit in HoN! As a former Toronto resident with friends in Toronto, I believe TekSavvy has comparatively reasonably priced unlimited bandwidth options. Distributel is even cheaper, but I don't have any trusted reports on their service.

Good luck in April!
Kznn
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil9072 Posts
October 29 2012 19:23 GMT
#423
holy shit. Major props to you dude, playing with loda and akke, thats amazing!
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
October 29 2012 19:30 GMT
#424
On October 30 2012 03:23 Heh_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2012 01:25 Cubu wrote:
On October 30 2012 01:08 Heh_ wrote:
On October 30 2012 00:57 Cubu wrote:
On October 29 2012 06:48 iEchoic wrote:
On October 27 2012 21:31 [Silverflame] wrote:
I love all those guys who do understand that living your dream has nothing to do with big income. Give me the chance to play 5 years on proffesional level while my income will decrease by 10% afterwards... I will take it without even hesitating.


Getting an engineering degree at 22 and landing a good job is the start to a very bright career. Getting an engineering degree at 27 disqualifies you from a lot of opportunities. You'll have missed out on 5 years of professional-level income, and you'll be 5 years behind (at best - a 27 year old fresh out of college is a lot less desirable to companies than a 22 year old - and yes, age discrimination exists, and you'll need to explain what the hell you've been doing for the last 10 years).

There are life-changing ramifications to making a decision to drop out of school to play a videogame. A desire to try to go pro at a videogame, in this situation, will most likely cost over a million dollars and an immeasurable amount of happiness over your lifetime. This community's career advice when it comes to this topic is very, very bad (and has been many other times, not just on this thread).

But the problem is you can't quantify happiness and it isn't based on amounts of money beyond basic necessities.

You can't quantify happiness, but after wasting several years of your life on "progaming", it's gonna hit like a truck when you finally realize how much opportunities you've lost while playing video games.

Really, really good post by iEchoic. There's fantasy, and then there's reality.

well when you put it that way, it makes more sense. It's just that what iEchoic described (millions of dollars in opportunity cost and happiness over lifetime) is out of reach to most people who take the standard route of highschool to university and age discrimination is almost non-existent, well at least where i come from.

But isn't it subjective? Maybe for some people, it will hit them like a truck (regret) and maybe some people might feel satisfied about their past being spent in progaming. And when you think about it, alot of people here (the average TL) 'waste' time playing video games so does that mean they have a life full of regret? I feel like these issues are personal, in the sense that these questions are something we ask ourselves and only we know it individually.

If you're putting off an engineering career (what he's doing) then millions of dollars of lost opportunity is correct. Good luck finding a job when there's a 5 year gap on your resume, and are 5 years older than thousands of fresh graduates.

I don't know any engineers who make millions of dollars in the span of 2-5 years.
Brainling
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States660 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-29 20:27:24
October 29 2012 20:23 GMT
#425
On October 30 2012 03:23 Heh_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2012 01:25 Cubu wrote:
On October 30 2012 01:08 Heh_ wrote:
On October 30 2012 00:57 Cubu wrote:
On October 29 2012 06:48 iEchoic wrote:
On October 27 2012 21:31 [Silverflame] wrote:
I love all those guys who do understand that living your dream has nothing to do with big income. Give me the chance to play 5 years on proffesional level while my income will decrease by 10% afterwards... I will take it without even hesitating.


Getting an engineering degree at 22 and landing a good job is the start to a very bright career. Getting an engineering degree at 27 disqualifies you from a lot of opportunities. You'll have missed out on 5 years of professional-level income, and you'll be 5 years behind (at best - a 27 year old fresh out of college is a lot less desirable to companies than a 22 year old - and yes, age discrimination exists, and you'll need to explain what the hell you've been doing for the last 10 years).

There are life-changing ramifications to making a decision to drop out of school to play a videogame. A desire to try to go pro at a videogame, in this situation, will most likely cost over a million dollars and an immeasurable amount of happiness over your lifetime. This community's career advice when it comes to this topic is very, very bad (and has been many other times, not just on this thread).

But the problem is you can't quantify happiness and it isn't based on amounts of money beyond basic necessities.

You can't quantify happiness, but after wasting several years of your life on "progaming", it's gonna hit like a truck when you finally realize how much opportunities you've lost while playing video games.

Really, really good post by iEchoic. There's fantasy, and then there's reality.

well when you put it that way, it makes more sense. It's just that what iEchoic described (millions of dollars in opportunity cost and happiness over lifetime) is out of reach to most people who take the standard route of highschool to university and age discrimination is almost non-existent, well at least where i come from.

But isn't it subjective? Maybe for some people, it will hit them like a truck (regret) and maybe some people might feel satisfied about their past being spent in progaming. And when you think about it, alot of people here (the average TL) 'waste' time playing video games so does that mean they have a life full of regret? I feel like these issues are personal, in the sense that these questions are something we ask ourselves and only we know it individually.

If you're putting off an engineering career (what he's doing) then millions of dollars of lost opportunity is correct. Good luck finding a job when there's a 5 year gap on your resume, and are 5 years older than thousands of fresh graduates.


As an actual professional in an engineering field, this is BS. It takes me nearly 10 years to make anywhere near a million dollars, let alone millions, and that's if I never consider taxes.

Second, I have a three year gap in my resume when I went on a world trip and sabbatical. Guess how hard it was to get a new job? It wasn't. I took a pay cut of course (which I've recouped and surpassed now), but I had a job within a month of starting to look, because I'm talented and driven and my explanation of taking time off in my mid-20's to go on a world tour was perfectly acceptable.

Good luck to you Envy, follow your dreams. The real world isn't going anywhere.
"The welfare of each of us is dependent fundamentally upon the welfare of all of us." - Theodore Roosevelt
Vaelone
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Finland4400 Posts
October 29 2012 21:06 GMT
#426
I also recall reading this back then but didn't really have anything to contribute and didn't want to join the naysayers. Nice to see that you made it fairly big and showed them, keep it up.

I'm sure theres a few billion people working in their boring jobs they hate, earning their precious money. So having a few dreamers around isn't all that bad. I'l stick to my boring work for now since I lack the drive you have.

Hoping that the community didn't scare you away a year ago.
Leeoku
Profile Joined May 2010
1617 Posts
October 29 2012 21:48 GMT
#427
GL envy. The only non swede on the team lols
Dankleteer
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1430 Posts
October 29 2012 21:51 GMT
#428
atta boy envy! This thread will live forever lol. Congrats on being with such a solid team
fresh chops
zZygote
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada898 Posts
October 29 2012 22:31 GMT
#429
UofT is probably one of the best Canadian schools out there, but I agree Engineering is stupidly difficult, and if you have a passion that you can seriously chase and do well in, then go for it! I support you man.
Aldehyde
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Sweden939 Posts
October 29 2012 23:38 GMT
#430


That. There is nothing more to it. Do whatever the fuck you want, don't worry so much about what might happen later.
xVoiid
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada199 Posts
October 29 2012 23:45 GMT
#431
Holy fuck, I just saw the news.

I can't congratulate you enough, I'm so happy to see that it payed off. Best of luck in the future!
It ain't over 'till it's over.
wanghis
Profile Joined July 2011
United States320 Posts
October 30 2012 00:53 GMT
#432
Damn I'm a shut in Asian who can only do math science certain videogames and anime too. now if only I was good at dota X_X
是那种想到他每天训练14个小时好辛苦就很心疼就想给他揉揉肩煲煲汤的那种爱
Implenia
Profile Joined August 2012
Austria3846 Posts
October 30 2012 10:09 GMT
#433
Gl with your team at Thor open and Dreamhack.
foeffa
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Belgium2115 Posts
October 30 2012 11:05 GMT
#434
Hope it keeps working out as the only non-Swede. You sure have the talent/skills imho, thinking of your HoN-career, so sure hope it works out!
觀過斯知仁矣.
chaosfreak11
Profile Joined April 2011
Singapore367 Posts
October 30 2012 11:17 GMT
#435
On October 27 2012 13:09 kellymilkies wrote:
Don't worry guys
He is going to get into a prestigious new team soon :>


He is in the same team as Loda. I see.
TylerThaCreator
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States906 Posts
October 30 2012 11:30 GMT
#436
There is an abnormally large amount of people in this topic who care more about making lots of money than doing what actually makes them happy...I actually thought I was reading a bunch of troll messages for a moment. The only compelling argument against the OP's plan was that in terms of Engineering, this was career suicide. But what if he was studying in another field? Would the response have been the same?
aka SethN
AnomalySC2
Profile Joined August 2012
United States2073 Posts
October 30 2012 11:49 GMT
#437
You only live once. Do what makes you happy!
zz_
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden1022 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-30 11:58:51
October 30 2012 11:57 GMT
#438
On October 30 2012 20:30 TylerThaCreator wrote:
There is an abnormally large amount of people in this topic who care more about making lots of money than doing what actually makes them happy...I actually thought I was reading a bunch of troll messages for a moment. The only compelling argument against the OP's plan was that in terms of Engineering, this was career suicide. But what if he was studying in another field? Would the response have been the same?


+1
I find it sad that even here, where we all come for the simple reason that we like professional gaming, it is stigmatized. Is it really so hard to imagine that some people do not choose their future based on the size of the paycheck, but rather based on their desires?
In the absence of justice, what is sovereignty but organized robbery?
MotherOfRunes
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany2862 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-30 12:53:28
October 30 2012 12:47 GMT
#439
well i also prefer to do what makes me happy instead of rich. but you need to accept the consequences. people need to realize that esports is far from being accepted in our society. people are blinded by hypes, some public articles and cool events, like in the 2 years of sc2. and you can see where sc2 is heading, nowhere, it already reached its peak long ago. same will go probably go for dota (expect china maybe).
and the consquences i mentioned can be really devastating. since the financial and economical situation of the world will only go further down to hell, you maybe wanna realize that the number of poor people will grow and it will be harder to get jobs....and lets say ur 21 now and stop your real life for 3 years of dota, lets even say you become really good and succesful for 4-5 years. then this guy would be 25-26 when he realizes he cant make a living with it anymore. and believe me there is nothing worse when a human resources manager reviews your application and sees a hole for 4-5 years in your timeline. and then you ahve to explain it with computer games? even if its on professional level the most guys reading your application will think your a lazy slacker who just spend his time playing computer games all his life . being in a situation like that, when the job market will be a hard battlefield in the near future, can be really horrible.
and something must be wrong with you if the thing that makes you REALLY happy or happy the most, is playing computer games allday, even if its on professional level. normally it indicats sociopaths who have problems in real life (no girlfiends or rarely having girlfriends, being to lazy for school/work or people who just dont liek "real" people around him)

stay in school kids and try to rethink what u really want from life

because the real thing is outthere, and not in this small box
"Your Razor sucks!" -Kuroky's Dad
Brainling
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States660 Posts
October 30 2012 14:38 GMT
#440
So let me get this straight...if you dedicate your whole life to "real work" and big dollars...you're a normal, well adjusted person....but if you dedicate your life to a video game, where you can also make money, you're a sociopath? So I guess professional athletes are sociopaths?

And eSports is on the rise. StarCraft players and many LoL players are already making livable salaries, and Dota 2 isn't far behind.

Basically, MotherOfRunes might as well have said "I have no idea what I'm talking about, but I'm going to get up on this soap box and tell you how to live your life, even though I know nothing about you, nothing about your situation, nothing about the job market in north American, nothing about engineering or how it works...really I don't know a lot, but let me preach to you"...and it would have read exactly the same way.

And how dare you tell someone to rethink what they want out of life, implying that this isn't it, and somehow you would know better? You have to be a special kind of fool to think it's your place to tell others what they want out of life.
"The welfare of each of us is dependent fundamentally upon the welfare of all of us." - Theodore Roosevelt
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