On December 10 2011 11:17 EternaLEnVy wrote: NEW EDIT:
Due to parents, I've decided to delay this till mid April. Thanks a lot everyone, but now I'll have more time to do more indepth research. However, I would like to have more input. The neat thing about this thread is that I'm getting a lot of suggestions that an computer noob like me has yet to consider.
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Hello, I am a shut in kid from Canada who doesn't know anything but Math, Science, random shit, anime, and video games. I made this thread in order to get some help but first let me explain the situation:
My IGN is EternaLEnVy in HoN and DotA and my SC2 name is YanagiNagi. I have not played SC2 since July, and HoN since August of 2010. I played DotA for a few weeks in August of this year but haven't really played seriously since probably mid 2008. I played mid solo for DWi (Deal With It) and was rank 2 on the ladder for a few months in HoN. I won one major tournament under this team and placed fairly high in every other. I believe this team is called Complexity now. I was rank 2 in DotA Cash Tier 2 (under Aisaka_Taiga) while I was messing around for a few weeks in august but I doubt that actually matters.
OK SO ENOUGH OF THAT HERE IS THE SITUATION:
I'm a 2nd year Engineering Science Student at the University of Toronto. It's basically this extremely fucking retarded course that destroys your soul:
Although I'm doing decently in this program (low 80 average ish), I've decided that before starting the 2nd half of 2nd year, to go on "leave" and start playing DotA seriously. Basically I can come back to school if I fail miserably. To make money I plan on streaming (10-13 hours a day every day), coaching (not sure how this works), and winning tournaments. If I end up failing miserably in gaming I can go back to school.
HERE ARE MY CONCERNS: 1. Streaming. Where do I stream? I was originally thinking of Justin.TV but then I heard of a site called Own3d from my friend that apparently pays better. I would appreciate it if anyone could compare these two sites for me.
My second concern in streaming is in money. On Justin.TV you get $0.002 for every ad you show a viewer, so basically $2 for every ad given 1000 viewers. Some people have further extrapolated this to 4 games/hour in SC2 and thus $8 every hour. This worries me because DotA games last much longer, probably would take 45minutes on average to find a game, pick, and play. I'm also not too sure about the math being used here, do people really only show one ad after every game? Say I show an ad after I finish a game and another b4 my 2nd game starts, would this be frowned upon? I don't watch DotA 2 streams so if anyone could tell me how it works that would be great.
2. Canada Sucks Streaming in Canada fucking sucks. Our internet is overpriced and we don't get enough bandwidth or options. But honestly I know nothing about any of this stuff so I'm here to get input. I'm willing to pay more for better internet service but I'm stuck with Rogers for another 2 years I believe due to a contract. What internet speed do I need to play while streaming and not lag. How much bandwidth would I need to stream 12 hours per day every day for a month. And if possible, help me choose a plan that would be able to solve this issue. I also hear that you could call up rogers and make a deal with them, if anyone knows anything about this please comment.
Those two are my main concerns other than personal ones. If anyone knows anything else I should look into, please comment on that as well. I could probably do some more research of my own but its exam period and I need to make this choice before the end of the semester, so I apologize if it feels like I'm leeching too much.
Thanks for your help.
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THE PURPOSE OF THIS THREAD IS NOT TO CONVINCE ME OF STAYING IN SCHOOL. You have no right to judge me because you know nothing about what I've considered. It is unfair to criticize someone's judgement that they took many hours considering on whim. Please don't derail the thread.
If you intend to continue anyway, please understand that I CAN GO BACK TO SCHOOL if I fail. It's only a year or two of my life. My financial issues aren't so bad that these two years would cost my life.
To make this even close to worth it, you better be THE hands down BEST player in Dota2, no question or hesitation whatsoever. I don't know the scene at all, so you might be, I'm just saying, if you aren't an outstandingly good well-known player, this is a terribly stupid decision.
On October 27 2012 21:31 [Silverflame] wrote: I love all those guys who do understand that living your dream has nothing to do with big income. Give me the chance to play 5 years on proffesional level while my income will decrease by 10% afterwards... I will take it without even hesitating.
Just so you know, unless you make it your income is very likely to decrease by a lot more than 10%. Honestly, I didnt even know about this one year ago, but right now all i can say is im actually glad for this guy, he's not made it yet, but you definitely cant put a value on dreams and and happiness. I wonder what his motivation for this was though.
On October 27 2012 21:31 [Silverflame] wrote: I love all those guys who do understand that living your dream has nothing to do with big income. Give me the chance to play 5 years on proffesional level while my income will decrease by 10% afterwards... I will take it without even hesitating.
Just so you know, unless you make it your income is very likely to decrease by a lot more than 10%.
He means after he stops progaming and starts doing whatever he was going to do in the first place.
You also seem to assume success ... which is admirable in someone who realises all the opposition to his success yet still feels it anyway
other wise dunning-kruger
You concern really shouldnt be with viewers it shuld be getting sponsored enough so that you can live off it and have a plan to maintain it and grow it into an organisation whereby you then can pay others who want to be you a salary.
If that isnt your plan then you are a kid whos seriously about to piss off parents that have invested probably someone where into the region of £100 grand into you over the course of your life to try and get you into a position where you can support yourself.
By all means play games as a profession but if you are thinking about $8 an hour you are sadly deluded about how much income you really need in the western world to have a life by which when you retire you arnt fucked.
You say you do maths ... do you know that you will foget it all if you stop using it for a few years. You cannot really teach yourself maths from a book ... They just dont show you everything you need.
Im all for doing what you want ... but do it big. Dont wonder about how to get $8 an hour ... thats just sad.
If you hate your course ... the correct answer is to look at what you can do and know and find a new course - that you like. Preferably a niche.
On October 27 2012 21:31 [Silverflame] wrote: I love all those guys who do understand that living your dream has nothing to do with big income. Give me the chance to play 5 years on proffesional level while my income will decrease by 10% afterwards... I will take it without even hesitating.
Getting an engineering degree at 22 and landing a good job is the start to a very bright career. Getting an engineering degree at 27 disqualifies you from a lot of opportunities. You'll have missed out on 5 years of professional-level income, and you'll be 5 years behind (at best - a 27 year old fresh out of college is a lot less desirable to companies than a 22 year old - and yes, age discrimination exists, and you'll need to explain what the hell you've been doing for the last 10 years).
There are life-changing ramifications to making a decision to drop out of school to play a videogame. A desire to try to go pro at a videogame, in this situation, will most likely cost over a million dollars and an immeasurable amount of happiness over your lifetime. This community's career advice when it comes to this topic is very, very bad (and has been many other times, not just on this thread).
On October 27 2012 21:31 [Silverflame] wrote: I love all those guys who do understand that living your dream has nothing to do with big income. Give me the chance to play 5 years on proffesional level while my income will decrease by 10% afterwards... I will take it without even hesitating.
Getting an engineering degree at 22 and landing a good job is the start to a very bright career. Getting an engineering degree at 27 disqualifies you from a lot of opportunities. You'll have missed out on 5 years of professional-level income, and you'll be 5 years behind (at best - a 27 year old fresh out of college is a lot less desirable to companies than a 22 year old - and yes, age discrimination exists, and you'll need to explain what the hell you've been doing for the last 10 years).
There are life-changing ramifications to making a decision to drop out of school to play a videogame. A desire to try to go pro at a videogame, in this situation, will most likely cost over a million dollars and an immeasurable amount of happiness over your lifetime. This community's career advice when it comes to this topic is very, very bad (and has been many other times, not just on this thread).
But the problem is you can't quantify happiness and it isn't based on amounts of money beyond basic necessities.
On October 27 2012 21:31 [Silverflame] wrote: I love all those guys who do understand that living your dream has nothing to do with big income. Give me the chance to play 5 years on proffesional level while my income will decrease by 10% afterwards... I will take it without even hesitating.
Getting an engineering degree at 22 and landing a good job is the start to a very bright career. Getting an engineering degree at 27 disqualifies you from a lot of opportunities. You'll have missed out on 5 years of professional-level income, and you'll be 5 years behind (at best - a 27 year old fresh out of college is a lot less desirable to companies than a 22 year old - and yes, age discrimination exists, and you'll need to explain what the hell you've been doing for the last 10 years).
There are life-changing ramifications to making a decision to drop out of school to play a videogame. A desire to try to go pro at a videogame, in this situation, will most likely cost over a million dollars and an immeasurable amount of happiness over your lifetime. This community's career advice when it comes to this topic is very, very bad (and has been many other times, not just on this thread).
But the problem is you can't quantify happiness and it isn't based on amounts of money beyond basic necessities.
You can't quantify happiness, but after wasting several years of your life on "progaming", it's gonna hit like a truck when you finally realize how much opportunities you've lost while playing video games.
Really, really good post by iEchoic. There's fantasy, and then there's reality.
I'll tell you one thing I get matched up against this guy pretty often and he tries very hard every game. Mad props because not relaxing in pubs is important if you want to become a professional and it's tough to get rid of those habits.
Hands down one of the worst ideas i've ever seen. Sorry man, I know what it's like to have a dream of playing Dota/SC2/Halo professionally, but just taking the time off isn't really worth it. It's time wasted when you can be building connections, internship, studying abroad, etc.
On October 27 2012 21:31 [Silverflame] wrote: I love all those guys who do understand that living your dream has nothing to do with big income. Give me the chance to play 5 years on proffesional level while my income will decrease by 10% afterwards... I will take it without even hesitating.
Getting an engineering degree at 22 and landing a good job is the start to a very bright career. Getting an engineering degree at 27 disqualifies you from a lot of opportunities. You'll have missed out on 5 years of professional-level income, and you'll be 5 years behind (at best - a 27 year old fresh out of college is a lot less desirable to companies than a 22 year old - and yes, age discrimination exists, and you'll need to explain what the hell you've been doing for the last 10 years).
There are life-changing ramifications to making a decision to drop out of school to play a videogame. A desire to try to go pro at a videogame, in this situation, will most likely cost over a million dollars and an immeasurable amount of happiness over your lifetime. This community's career advice when it comes to this topic is very, very bad (and has been many other times, not just on this thread).
But the problem is you can't quantify happiness and it isn't based on amounts of money beyond basic necessities.
You can't quantify happiness, but after wasting several years of your life on "progaming", it's gonna hit like a truck when you finally realize how much opportunities you've lost while playing video games.
Really, really good post by iEchoic. There's fantasy, and then there's reality.
well when you put it that way, it makes more sense. It's just that what iEchoic described (millions of dollars in opportunity cost and happiness over lifetime) is out of reach to most people who take the standard route of highschool to university and age discrimination is almost non-existent, well at least where i come from.
But isn't it subjective? Maybe for some people, it will hit them like a truck (regret) and maybe some people might feel satisfied about their past being spent in progaming. And when you think about it, alot of people here (the average TL) 'waste' time playing video games so does that mean they have a life full of regret? I feel like these issues are personal, in the sense that these questions are something we ask ourselves and only we know it individually.
To be fair, taking time off of the "safe road" to try for something like this (progaming, music, acting, these kinds of careers) is always a bad idea until you succeed. But you won't know if you don't try.
I hope people in this thread aren't telling him otherwise because they're just too pussy to do it themselves.
It's really about how badly you want it and if you would sacrifice a huge part of your life to attempt it. Most don't want it badly enough. Some will try and fail. A few will make it.
Envy is a good player.. Ive matched with / against him before. I think he should get an official team before making the jump. But either way, Good luck man. do work.
Halloween is a good time for thread necromancy I guess?
Anyway, I think Envy was supposed to be part of that Fnatic`RC team being made by PowerNet, but that fell through, which is part of why he is teamless.
Played vs him once in MM... agree with Chouji about him tryharding XD. Was pretty glad when that server crashed halfway thru the game.
On October 30 2012 02:31 Sn0_Man wrote: Halloween is a good time for thread necromancy I guess?
Anyway, I think Envy was supposed to be part of that Fnatic`RC team being made by PowerNet, but that fell through, which is part of why he is teamless.
Played vs him once in MM... agree with Chouji about him tryharding XD. Was pretty glad when that server crashed halfway thru the game.
On October 30 2012 02:31 Sn0_Man wrote: Halloween is a good time for thread necromancy I guess?
Anyway, I think Envy was supposed to be part of that Fnatic`RC team being made by PowerNet, but that fell through, which is part of why he is teamless.
Played vs him once in MM... agree with Chouji about him tryharding XD. Was pretty glad when that server crashed halfway thru the game.
Oh, NTH found a 5th? nice. I was more responding to some guy who said "don't do this without a team" (6 months after envy already did it XD)
Looking forward to more AdmiralBulldog on heroes that aren't lone druid XD (his Furion was really impressive the one time I saw it)
EDIT: Oh, more than just "found a fifth". Kinda funny seeing 4 swede's and a Canadian on a team though. Drafting might end up much like Zenith w/Loda, except its NTH w/EternalEnvy lol.
On October 27 2012 21:31 [Silverflame] wrote: I love all those guys who do understand that living your dream has nothing to do with big income. Give me the chance to play 5 years on proffesional level while my income will decrease by 10% afterwards... I will take it without even hesitating.
Getting an engineering degree at 22 and landing a good job is the start to a very bright career. Getting an engineering degree at 27 disqualifies you from a lot of opportunities. You'll have missed out on 5 years of professional-level income, and you'll be 5 years behind (at best - a 27 year old fresh out of college is a lot less desirable to companies than a 22 year old - and yes, age discrimination exists, and you'll need to explain what the hell you've been doing for the last 10 years).
There are life-changing ramifications to making a decision to drop out of school to play a videogame. A desire to try to go pro at a videogame, in this situation, will most likely cost over a million dollars and an immeasurable amount of happiness over your lifetime. This community's career advice when it comes to this topic is very, very bad (and has been many other times, not just on this thread).
But the problem is you can't quantify happiness and it isn't based on amounts of money beyond basic necessities.
You can't quantify happiness, but after wasting several years of your life on "progaming", it's gonna hit like a truck when you finally realize how much opportunities you've lost while playing video games.
Really, really good post by iEchoic. There's fantasy, and then there's reality.
well when you put it that way, it makes more sense. It's just that what iEchoic described (millions of dollars in opportunity cost and happiness over lifetime) is out of reach to most people who take the standard route of highschool to university and age discrimination is almost non-existent, well at least where i come from.
But isn't it subjective? Maybe for some people, it will hit them like a truck (regret) and maybe some people might feel satisfied about their past being spent in progaming. And when you think about it, alot of people here (the average TL) 'waste' time playing video games so does that mean they have a life full of regret? I feel like these issues are personal, in the sense that these questions are something we ask ourselves and only we know it individually.
If you're putting off an engineering career (what he's doing) then millions of dollars of lost opportunity is correct. Good luck finding a job when there's a 5 year gap on your resume, and are 5 years older than thousands of fresh graduates.
EPT
(6 months after envy already did it XD)
